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[#2]
are you sizing these boolits...
prior to PC'ing? or after PC'ing? or not at all? |
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[#3]
Did you want a lighter weight bullet, or just lose the gascheck?
If the latter, why not just mill the gascheck ridge off the mold? Looks good either way! |
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[#4]
Run them thru a LEE push thru sizer after coating
Much quicker than my old luberasizer I wanted a bit lighter bullet also http://leeprecision.com/bullet-casting/lube-and-sizing-kit/ . |
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[#7]
Is there any way possible to recover some of those bullets after they've been shot???? It would be interesting to see how much compression the bullet's base/grease groove has.
I tried heavy bullets in the 44mag/spl, didn't really care for them. Gravitated to 265gr to 270gr bullet for heavies in the 44cal's, they tend to preform a lot better down range (100yds+). |
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[#8]
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http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg272/dryflash3/Powder%20Coat/P1010995_zps6i3zmgvb.jpg That looks great, what crimping grove are you using? View Quote I was thinking last night, it might be fun to load them up with some UNIQUE a bit milder then H110. I'd probably load those shorter, I've got some experimenting to do |
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[#9]
Milling the mould to remove the gas check is the easy way. Plus it makes your bullets lighter obviously.
I'd rather set the mould up in a vertical mill and indicate in and bore the gas check diameter so it's the same size as the rest of the bullet. This way there is no weight loss and no re-tapping for the spure plate. This of course takes a little more precision but if you don't want a lighter bullet it's the way to go. Personally the gas check diameter doesn't bother me. I shoot powder coated cast bullets without the gas check all the time from pistols and they shoot great. In fact the 440gr 500's will darn near shoot one hole groups at 50 yards and hold a standard defense silhouette at 200 yards. Motor |
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[#14]
I wouldn't go as far as 3221 but I don't think you could go any more without buckling the casing. I'd say that's a maximum crimp.
Motor |
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[#15]
That's a firm crimp. Necessary with H-110.
I crimp just a hair less. |
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[#19]
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Sorry if you thought I was shouting at you. For some odd reason I thought using ALL CAPS implied shouting. A least that's how it used to be but I've only been on the net since 1992. Heck who knows, I'm not good at the new match either. Thank you for explaining about a "crimp" for the 44mag and why. We used to reload/use/shoot/hunt with the 44mags when I lived in the everglades in the late 70's/early 80's. Hunted hogs with a ruger semi-auto 44mag. Used a lot of mag ammo in the 80's shooting silhouettes with a blackhawk & a contender. Then it was cowboy action with the blackhawk & a marlin lever action in the 90's along with bowling pins with a 4" and 8 3/8" s&w. Don't shoot the 44mags like I used to but I still own a contender (10" bbl) and a 629 classic with a 6 1/2" bbl. Sold off most of my molds along with 3 different sets of swaging dies. I do sill have 2 different sets of swaging dies for the 44cal's. I did keep the custom molds and the hollow based molds for the 44cal's. I still tinker with the 44mag, designed these swaged jacketed hp's for hunting deer with the 44mag. Took several tries to test/retest/re-design the hp shape/depth to get it to stay intact. Did testing @25yds to simulate 100yd hits (1400fps @ the muzzle/1100fps @ 75yds/hit @ 100yds). http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t242/forrestr-photo/44magchrony_zpscd769e68.jpg Thank you for explaining about what a crimp does for the 44mag when using 296 powder. Back when the heavy bullets first started coming out we'd test them with 2400 then go to 296 when we found hot/max loads with 2400. The 296 had to at least 85% fill because of it's serial ignition properties. But I'm sure you already know all this since you've been reloading since the 80's. Along with how loads of 296 are position sensitive since your have a range that goes up hill for long shots. Have fun and enjoy your new bullet. View Quote If you can't express your opinions in a polite manner, then please post elsewhere. You normally have informative posts and not the heavy satire like the above post. You may indeed know it all, but if you can't express it in a positive narrative it's unwanted. dryflash3 |
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[#20]
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No more of those stretched out words in your posts please, yes it's screaming also. (even if you don't think it is) If you can't express your opinions in a polite manner, then please post elsewhere. You normally have informative posts and not the heavy satire like the above post. You may indeed know it all, but if you can't express it in a positive narrative it's unwanted. dryflash3 View Quote I absolutely will never ever again put a stretched word in any post, EVER! Used stretched words as a learning tool for 20+ years. It not only helped young people to spell words out. It helped people to remember something that is important. I will not bother putting up links to stretched words/learning aids. But anyone can do a simple search looking up stretched words and not only why they are used, they can read the benefits of them if they so desire. The stretched words were not there for the benefit of the op. He's been reloading a long time. Pictures are worth a 1000 words, I simply wanted other people with less experience to have a picture with a thought. Last I knew this was a place to share idea's and help each other. I guess some people look at stretched words as someone that is swearing/dis-respecting someone. It's been a learning tool for 20+ years in the teaching community. Go figure!!! And that ain't satire. that's the truth. Know it all? Not hardly! I will say that I've: Bought/installed custom bbl's on 44cal firearms. Along with honing/reaming cylinders and cutting chambers an throating bbl's, cutting new/custom/bullet specific forcing cones. Made my own swaging dies/nose profiles. Hollow/bt/gc/bb posts for swaging bases of lead bullets. Made dies to swage my own jackets to swage jacketed bullets for the 44cals. Made my own swaging dies & bump dies for specific firearms for the 44cals. And yes I make my gas check makers for the 44cal's along with every caliber I cast for. Owned 100+ molds for the 44cal's at 1 time along with several different sizing/lubing platforms to lube/size bullets for specific firearms along with making my own lube/custom sizing dies for the 44cal's. And yes custom nose punches were a must. Never really shot a bunch of 44mags, around 50,000+, shot well over 100,000+ 44spl's. Still shoot more 44spl's to this day. I'm sure there's a bunch of people that have reloaded/shot countless 1000's of 44mag rounds in several different firearms on this forum. I'm also sure that you'll be hard pressed to find 5 people on this website that has worked on firearms to put customs bbl's/chambers/throats/sights/triggers on them. Then made there own bullets for that specific firearm from dies that they made to use in that custom firearm. Satire? No Know it all? No But I do bring a pretty good wealth of knowledge to the table from decades of gunsmithing & custom die making along with casting bullets for the 44cal's from some of the best molds produced for 80+ years. How about a hint> Post a picture of a recovered bullet to look at the base of that bullet. That's the "money" shot. That's the 3rd time I've posted that same thing. Have a great day |
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View Quote What do I do with all the wax and alox? PC'd is a revolution.... OP, thanks for the pics. The one with the red boolits and heavy crimp- that looks almost crushed a hair. There is a ring visible on the case below the crimp? ETA: crimp already addressed. Sorry. |
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Is it bad that I am now looking at all my gas check molds, and wondering if I should shorten them a touch? What do I do with all the wax and alox? PC'd is a revolution.... OP, thanks for the pics. The one with the red boolits and heavy crimp- that looks almost crushed a hair. There is a ring visible on the case below the crimp? ETA: crimp already addressed. Sorry. View Quote My lube and alox are sitting on a shelf. |
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[#23]
I really want to get into cast every time I see one of these pop up in here.
The the pc makes me think what colors could I use for each caliber I reload for and then for type of powder etc... I love this place! Thank you everyone for sharing these things with us all. |
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[#25]
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Got one of the molds incoming, and plan on shaving it to just the top of the GC section to leave some of the base taper for easy loading into the case/to mirror the lee 358-158-rf bullet design. http://leeprecision.com/images/P/90303-01.jpg So with H110/296 and the bullet being around 280gr with PC, looks like somewhere around 20gr should put me about 1175fps with PC coating out of a 8" barrel with a little more head room is needed, but did you find another powder that may be better suited for longer yardages instead? View Quote Haven't tried anything else. open to suggestions. I like that LEE 358-158-rf too. . |
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[#26]
Yes, the Lee 358-158 is an excellent bullet. I would not mind seeing Lee do as similar a bullet as they could in 44.
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[#27]
Interesting. I own the same mold and considered milling off the gas checks but have never considered making it shorter.
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[#28]
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open to suggestions. . View Quote On the 296, will first try to figure out the max load I can run without signs of over pressure, see how the bullet prints, then start backing done the 296 if the bullet will not print tight to see if slowing it down helps. As for using reduced loads of 296 (less than about a 85% case volume of what the bullet is not taking up), not a problem since I have a .429" wad punch and can make fiber wads to take up the unused case volume to keep the power tight on ignition. So best guess with the 280 bullet PC coated out of a 8" barrel, should be able to hit somewhere around 1300fps safely, but it still comes back to no reason to scream a bullet down range and not find its mark once it get there. With universal, guessing I going to hit max pressure around 1050fps, but the positive thing on this, will be using about half the powder that I do with 296 instead. So again, find the max pressure mark, see how the load does for tight groups, then back it down to see if the groups get any better. As for if the bullet shortened just does not want to print, then will remove the grease groove from the mold to cast the bullet with more rear contact area to the rifling. Again, PC coating, so no grease groove is needed in the bullet design. If it will print with the two powders above, then will work in Lil gun and Blue dot (and what every else I have on hand) to see if I can can better the speeds and still get the bullet to print. Hell, I still have a few lbs of 571 (hs7 and has a burn rate just slightly slower than blue dot) left over from decades ago that I never burnt up, so maybe it might be a good powder to try as well for that slightly reduced speed load that still have it close too the 1k mark. Again, the only reason that I'm starting with the Lee 310 mold, is that I can mill off just short of the top of the GC section to bring the weight down to run it through a 629 quickly (read in a few mins in the mill), and end up with the bottom of the bullet edge tapered for easy self centering in the case. Trust me, if lee offered a mold in the FP design 240gr (mirror of the 38 mold I listed above, but in 430-240-FP), would be all over it like a fat kid on a chocolate bar isntead. If in the end, I still can't get the bullet to print correctly, them just out $20 for the mold that I can turn it to something else later when I have more time on my hands (something in a .433" for the marlin micro grooved carbine that needs that large OD of a cast bullet to print correctly), and some fun time spent at the reloading bench and at the range that if I was not working on this, then would be working on something else to keep me busy in my off time. |
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...Trust me, if lee offered a mold in the FP design 240gr (mirror of the 38 mold I listed above, but in 430-240-FP), would be all over it like a fat kid on a chocolate bar isntead.
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[#30]
Little update since I have been slammed with work.
faced the mold to minic the 158gr 358 bullet base, mold polished and lapped, it's dropping 270gr bullets at .430". Note PC and sizing to .431 since it going to be shot through a 629 and Marlin 94 production barrel that has been hand lead lapped. Better yet, with the New Remlin 1894 in 44 mag that I am still exorcising the demons out for a few days now, with the bullet seated in the lower groove, ends up being .472" to end up with about a .003" jump to lands in the remlin, and the gun will cycle these lenght round out of the tube. Why I bring this up, with Rainer 240gr plated, ended up at .705" for a .003" jump and would need to mod the lifter to try to get them to cycle in the rifle for the short jump instead. So for both the 629 and 1894, can run the bullet on the bottom crimping groove for both, ending up with half the work of developing a load that will run in both. Also a quick note, but tried to use my Hornday flat tip bullet seater for the powder coated bullets, and the entrance tapered side walls of the seating dies was way to narrow (leaving rings on the tips). Do having a back up set of RCBS, pulled the flat nose seater on it (same problem as well to begin with) and lathed it for these powder coated flat nose bullets instead. Hence the standard flat nose bullet seater you get with your dies, will work great for say HP and rainier that the flat tip is a lot narrower, but the flat nose on the casted lee bullet will require either mod'g a bullet seater, or checking around to find a store bought unit instead. Once I finish the wood on the Remin and get it back together, will start working up loads to see if I can get the gas check section nurtured PC bullets to print out out of the two at longer yardages. |
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[#32]
I think you can draw up spec for a mold you want and put together a group buy from Lee. Apparently that's why they switched their 358-125 mold design some time back. Guys on some forum drew up what they wanted and made a group buy. Lee liked the design so much they switched to it. That's what I read anyway.
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