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Posted: 9/29/2016 11:31:06 AM EDT
Found a pound of Enforcer locally so naturally I ran home and ordered 250 Barnes black tips for my 300 blk out. Also managed to somehow slip some Barnes 125 grain .357s in the cart gosh darnit.
 It's amazing how much money one can save loading for the 300. Looking forward to playing with the black tips. Any advice? I think it's pretty clearly documented in my loading data and on the internet, but it never hurts to ask. |
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Posted: 9/29/2016 12:46:51 PM EDT
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I used H-110 and worked up to max load, per Hodgdon. No issues for me, found my hunting load. Grouped around 1.5 to 2 inches at 100 yds. Not a match bullet. As this bullet was designed for 300 blk, seat to mid cannelure for 2.250 OAL. |
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Posted: 9/29/2016 1:11:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I used H-110 and worked up to max load, per Hodgdon. No issues for me, found my hunting load. Grouped around 1.5 to 2 inches at 100 yds. Not a match bullet. As this bullet was designed for 300 blk, seat to mid cannelure for 2.250 OAL. I got them for self defense. I was buying a box or loaded here and there but this will be so much more economical. They're my shtf, zombie, rifle bullet. Hopefully never to be used. |
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Posted: 9/29/2016 1:13:30 PM EDT
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To add, that's a large group. I though the C in the western powder reload data stood for competition.... No?
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Posted: 9/29/2016 2:12:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To add, that's a large group. I though the C in the western powder reload data stood for competition.... No? |
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Posted: 9/29/2016 3:04:03 PM EDT
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C = compressed load
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Posted: 9/29/2016 11:57:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: C = compressed load |
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Posted: 9/30/2016 12:53:42 AM EDT
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Not sure what seating die you are using, but because of the elongated plastic point, some seating dies need to be modified to work properly. I have a Lee die set and someone made me a floating insert to replace the seating stem that comes with the die.
You can also send a bullet into Lee and for $8 I believe and they will make you a seating stem to that bullet. I've also modified seating stems by chucking them in a drill and shaping the contact area with a file as it turns. The Barnes black tip are the most accurate bullet I've shot from my 300blk. |
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Posted: 9/30/2016 12:55:09 AM EDT
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I'm using a Redding.... About to add the Lee factory crimp
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Posted: 9/30/2016 1:47:51 AM EDT
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I got a bunch of these to load up as well. You think you would need to make a pistol and rifle load, or would one load suffice in both guns? Talking a good defensive load.
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Posted: 9/30/2016 2:30:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg272/dryflash3/300%20Blk/PA140262.jpg I use a light crimp, FCD, on all of my 300 blk loads. When you say light crimp, do you measure? For the redding die, roll crimp, I used an empty case and dialed it in at .002 total taper. Not sure how I'm going to adjust the Lee factory..... tips?
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Posted: 9/30/2016 2:33:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I got a bunch of these to load up as well. You think you would need to make a pistol and rifle load, or would one load suffice in both guns? Talking a good defensive load. I was going to work up using a 16" barrel. I would think with 300 doing so well in short barrels it may not matter much? |
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Posted: 9/30/2016 3:20:05 AM EDT
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Kinda what I'm thinking, I got some factory I could test with.
Another thing to add to the list, I think I need to start one.
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Posted: 9/30/2016 3:29:36 AM EDT
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I could run some factory over the chronograph, but I'd like to wait until I have my 16" upper to so.
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Posted: 9/30/2016 8:17:35 AM EDT
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Adjusting rifle FCD,
Look straight down at the collet. Notice the 4 slots and how wide they are. When bullet is all the way up into the die, and the collet gap is closed half way=light crimp. Forget the Lee instructions as there is too much tolerance in press's, brass and dies. Called tolerance stacking. A good term to google and understrand. |
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Posted: 9/30/2016 9:40:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Adjusting rifle FCD, Look straight down at the collet. Notice the 4 slots and how wide they are. When bullet is all the way up into the die, and the collet gap is closed half way=light crimp. Forget the Lee instructions as there is too much tolerance in press's, brass and dies. Called tolerance stacking. A good term to google and understrand. My FCD showed up today. When working up these loads (the 147s) can I switch from the Redding roll crimp to the Lee FCD or is that a bad idea when working up loads? I've got a 20 grain, 20.2 grain set done with roll crimp. Moving on tonight to 20.4 then 20.6 then 20.8 then 21 . Will stop at 21. |
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Posted: 10/1/2016 12:45:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thx Dryflash - My FCD showed up today. When working up these loads (the 147s) can I switch from the Redding roll crimp to the Lee FCD or is that a bad idea when working up loads? I've got a 20 grain, 20.2 grain set done with roll crimp. Moving on tonight to 20.4 then 20.6 then 20.8 then 21 . Will stop at 21. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Adjusting rifle FCD, Look straight down at the collet. Notice the 4 slots and how wide they are. When bullet is all the way up into the die, and the collet gap is closed half way=light crimp. Forget the Lee instructions as there is too much tolerance in press's, brass and dies. Called tolerance stacking. A good term to google and understrand. My FCD showed up today. When working up these loads (the 147s) can I switch from the Redding roll crimp to the Lee FCD or is that a bad idea when working up loads? I've got a 20 grain, 20.2 grain set done with roll crimp. Moving on tonight to 20.4 then 20.6 then 20.8 then 21 . Will stop at 21. But use one or the other crimper. If you use both on a work up, you are throwing another variable into your testing. Or do identical work ups and just change the crimp method. |
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Posted: 10/1/2016 1:22:09 AM EDT
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Cool thx. I think I'll just work up with the roll crimp and then switch over the factory. I'm only looking for pressure issues right now, and not going to max so I'll test a few with the factory crimp after coming up with a final on the roll crimp before I whip out 1000.
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Posted: 10/1/2016 3:06:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'm using a Redding.... About to add the Lee factory crimp Redding makes different dies for 300blk, is this what you have? https://www.midwayusa.com/product/840357/redding-2-die-set-300-aac-blackout The sharp tip on the Barnes bullet can bottom out on many seating stems. This video explains it well... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VGp0At_k-I Unscrew the seating stem/plug from the seating die and check where it contacts the bullet. If it bottoms out you can drill out the center of the seating stem to provide more depth. You can also buy a replacement seating stem/plug or get a micrometer type. The goal is to seat the bullet concentric in the case. Just replacing the seating step in a standard Lee 300blk die with a plug someone made for me on their lathe, I'm able to get 0.001-0.002" runout with the TAC-TX bullet. It's an expensive bullet so I don't mind taking extra steps to get the best accuracy from it. |
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Posted: 10/11/2016 1:06:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Redding makes different dies for 300blk, is this what you have? https://www.midwayusa.com/product/840357/redding-2-die-set-300-aac-blackout The sharp tip on the Barnes bullet can bottom out on many seating stems. This video explains it well... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VGp0At_k-I Unscrew the seating stem/plug from the seating die and check where it contacts the bullet. If it bottoms out you can drill out the center of the seating stem to provide more depth. You can also buy a replacement seating stem/plug or get a micrometer type. The goal is to seat the bullet concentric in the case. Just replacing the seating step in a standard Lee 300blk die with a plug someone made for me on their lathe, I'm able to get 0.001-0.002" runout with the TAC-TX bullet. It's an expensive bullet so I don't mind taking extra steps to get the best accuracy from it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm using a Redding.... About to add the Lee factory crimp Redding makes different dies for 300blk, is this what you have? https://www.midwayusa.com/product/840357/redding-2-die-set-300-aac-blackout The sharp tip on the Barnes bullet can bottom out on many seating stems. This video explains it well... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VGp0At_k-I Unscrew the seating stem/plug from the seating die and check where it contacts the bullet. If it bottoms out you can drill out the center of the seating stem to provide more depth. You can also buy a replacement seating stem/plug or get a micrometer type. The goal is to seat the bullet concentric in the case. Just replacing the seating step in a standard Lee 300blk die with a plug someone made for me on their lathe, I'm able to get 0.001-0.002" runout with the TAC-TX bullet. It's an expensive bullet so I don't mind taking extra steps to get the best accuracy from it. Has anyone else had issues with the Barnes black tips and the Redding seat die? |
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Posted: 10/11/2016 8:55:20 PM EDT
[#21]
This bullet loads fine with Hornady dies.
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Posted: 10/12/2016 12:34:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
To add, that's a large group. I though the C in the western powder reload data stood for competition.... No? The (C) in Western data stands for Compressed. |
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Posted: 10/12/2016 12:11:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
This bullet loads fine with Hornady dies. Good to know, I have Hornady dies and 500 black tips were delivered yesterday. |
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