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Posted: 11/3/2015 6:46:24 PM EDT
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Be ready to get all sort of answers/suggestions! For me, I tend to stay away from hollow point bullets. They may be good, but for what I tend to shoot with a 44 mag up here, I want a better bullet. I prefer hard cast Keith style bullets in the 240 grain or higher. I have also used some Sierra 300 JSP for hunting Black Bear and they tend to do real well. I also have some 310 gas check hard cat that will get the job done at close ranges. As for powders, I use 2400 in the 240 grain and down bullets and 296 for the 300's. I have used a Ruger Super Black Hawk for most of my hunting,(moose, caribou and black bear) but also have a Ruger Red Hawk and a Marlin 1894. Being that I attempt to keep my shots under 75/80 yards, I find that a good set of sights(XS Ghost on my 1984) and a good red dot on my SBH work well.
On thing that I have learned is that the 44 mag is easy to load for and handles most loads with out any issues. Have fun and be careful! |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 7:50:30 PM EDT
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My brother hunts with the same rifle just east of you in PA.
The 240gr HP works just fine if you are worried about penetration (I've seen some of those huge Ohio deer) you may want to go with a flat point or maybe even the Hornady Leverevolution bullet. There is nothing wrong with the big cast bullets as recommended by the first reply but I believe in Ohio you 'may' be wanting better trajectory. I mean the whole reason to switch is to get away from rainbow shotgun slug trajectories, right? And to have a fallow up shot if needed that you don't get with the muzzleloader. My personal recommendation is a good stout charge of W-296. With W-296 you will get a decent velocity advantage over the same load shot from a typical pistol length barrel. I don't know if you live in and hunt the flat open Ohio or the hilly woodsy Ohio. If I was in the more open country I would be looking closely at the pointed Hornady Leverevolution or flex tip whatever it's called in 44 caliber. I have had nothing but success with the 30cal and 50cal examples. If they require some kind of brass modifications I may not try them in which case I would simply stay with the big jacketed bullets. Motor Edit to add: The Hornady manual actually recommends the 265gr JSP or the 300gr HP-XTP for deer. The FTX (pointed flex tip) does specify trimming cases to 1.255" It may be flatter shooting but comparing all of the data the 265gr looks pretty good. I do know the 240gr gets the job done although it's not the best option. BTW: Top velocity with either can be obtained with W-296. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 7:59:08 PM EDT
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I had a Ruger semi auto a few years ago.
It liked the same loads as my Redhawk did.  Sierra 240 gr JHP, 24.0 grs H-110, Magnum primer, and a firm crimp. The one in the middle. To the left are Sierra and Hornady 300 gr. To the right, 240 cast and a shotshell. Hard to beat H-110/W-296 in 44 Mag. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 9:00:30 PM EDT
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I mean the whole reason to switch is to get away from rainbow shotgun slug trajectories, right? Exactly. I've shot a nice sized doe with my 10mm pistol and had nearly complete penetration lengthwise with a 180gr bullet, so I'm not thinking I really need any heavier than 200 or 240. The terrain is mostly light hills with woods, but I could have some longer shots in the plowed fields. One blind I hunt in could give me a 300 yard shot if I was inclined (I won't shoot any farther than I can test it) I can shoot out to about 150 yards at my house to test loads. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 9:01:44 PM EDT
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I had a Ruger semi auto a few years ago. It liked the same loads as my Redhawk did. <a href="http://s250.photobucket.com/user/dryflash3/media/Ammo/P7260260.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg272/dryflash3/Ammo/P7260260.jpg</a> Sierra 240 gr JHP, 24.0 grs H-110, Magnum primer, and a firm crimp. The one in the middle. To the left are Sierra and Hornady 300 gr. To the right, 240 cast and a shotshell. Hard to beat H-110/W-296 in 44 Mag. I was looking into the semi auto carbines but found some concerns. If they still made them I would probably be buying one. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 9:04:45 PM EDT
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+1
240gr JHP max load of win296/H-110, winchester magnum primer, and a firm crimp. this is THE popular 44mag deer hunting combo because it works Good luck and good hunting 
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Posted: 11/3/2015 9:57:18 PM EDT
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I'm trading a local arfcommer for a pound of H110 later in the week. It's good to have locals that pay attention to the forum
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Posted: 11/3/2015 10:54:46 PM EDT
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I'm trading a local arfcommer for a pound of H110 later in the week. It's good to have locals that pay attention to the forum Ummm... you do know Winc. 296 and Hodgdon H110 are the exact same powder... right ? |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 10:56:45 PM EDT
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You still could give the 225gr FTX a look on the ballistic charts. I'm sure it's not as superior to the JHP as the 30-30cal FTX is to it's flat or round nosed counterparts but it may surprise you. Plus you can get an extra 100f/s out of it compared to the 240. And it would definitely be as flat a shooter as the faster 200gr and hit much harder than the 200gr. Just a thought.
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Posted: 11/3/2015 11:08:05 PM EDT
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Ummm... you do know Winc. 296 and Hodgdon H110 are the exact same powder... right ? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm trading a local arfcommer for a pound of H110 later in the week. It's good to have locals that pay attention to the forum Ummm... you do know Winc. 296 and Hodgdon H110 are the exact same powder... right ? Yes I do. My buddy has H110 to trade me for a pound of something else. I mentioned in the OP that 296 is on the shelf at the LGS, but I don't have any. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 11:08:59 PM EDT
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You still could give the 225gr FTX a look on the ballistic charts. I'm sure it's not as superior to the JHP as the 30-30cal FTX is to it's flat or round nosed counterparts but it may surprise you. Plus you can get an extra 100f/s out of it compared to the 240. And it would definitely be as flat a shooter as the faster 200gr and hit much harder than the 200gr. Just a thought. Motor I haven't ordered the bullets yet so I will give those a look. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 11:14:50 PM EDT
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Magnum primers with H110/Win 296 powder. Check your manuals for data first. I shoot the same loads in a 7 1/2" barrel pistol and 16" Carbine Lever Action Rifle. My load is 23 grains of H110/Win 296 with CCI 350 Magnum primers in RP and Win brass with Hornady 240 XTP HP's. I wouldn't go below 22 grains and most data sources list 24 grains as maximum. The 240 XTP is accurate in my pistol and rifle with Win 296 powder. You do need a firm roll crimp especially for magnum powder to get consistent ignition plus keeping the heavy bullets from moving under recoil.
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Posted: 11/3/2015 11:38:12 PM EDT
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Ummm... you do know Winc. 296 and Hodgdon H110 are the exact same powder... right ? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm trading a local arfcommer for a pound of H110 later in the week. It's good to have locals that pay attention to the forum Ummm... you do know Winc. 296 and Hodgdon H110 are the exact same powder... right ? And our best local FFL has a couple dollar difference in price between the 2... I found paper I made note on a while back -- 110 @ $32,,, 296 @ $30 I'll likely use the Auto Comp from trade in 38 Super... see how it act,, otherwise, 9mm blaster ammo |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 11:45:05 PM EDT
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I used my Marlin 1894 with Remington Core-Lokt 275 Gr JHP to take my first deer, a Wisconsin Buck. yeah, that HP blasted clean through that animal, about a 90 yard shot. Big Holes on both sides!
Looks like most of the handloading questions have been answered for you. My personal experience, besides the Marlin, I also have a Redhawk and a SSK 12" Contender barrel in .44 Mag. I like 240 grain Jacketed Soft/Flat Points, heavy crimp, Mag primers. H110 is hard to beat, although it is basically a max load with it's 3% rule, not a lot of experimenting leeway with it. Blue Dot I use a lot to make 'mild' Magnum loads. I have used Power Pistol for .357, but I don't think I've used it in .44 Mag yet. That will be a good project! |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 11:48:32 PM EDT
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I used my Marlin 1894 with Remington Core-Lokt 275 Gr JHP to take my first deer, a Wisconsin Buck. yeah, that HP blasted clean through that animal, about a 90 yard shot. Big Holes on both sides! Looks like most of the handloading questions have been answered for you. My personal experience, besides the Marlin, I also have a Redhawk and a SSK 12" Contender barrel in .44 Mag. I like 240 grain Jacketed Soft/Flat Points, heavy crimp, Mag primers. H110 is hard to beat, although it is basically a max load with it's 3% rule, not a lot of experimenting leeway with it. Blue Dot I use a lot to make 'mild' Magnum loads. I have used Power Pistol for .357, but I don't think I've used it in .44 Mag yet. That will be a good project! I'll do some chrono testing and post the results. I have about 8lbs of Power Pistol left and I really don't use it for much else anymore. I used to use it for 9mm blasting ammo until I started shooting USPSA and found that I was loading way hotter rounds than I needed to. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 3:13:02 AM EDT
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In 44 mag, your going to find that H110/296 or 2400 is the best powders for mag speeds.
As for H110 and Win 296, they are the same gun powder (St marks 296), use the same load data, but the H110 is less expensive than win 296 branded powder. As for cast bullets pushed to mag speeds, only with a gas check on the bullet, and even then you can run into leading problems. On a pistol, it not hard to scrub such out, but can be a PITA on a longer carbine barrel instead. So on that note, stay with the jacket bullets in the rifle. As for the 44mag with a 240 gr bullet, shot placement is always important with any shot/bullet type, but the round has more than enough ass to drop a deer at 100yard, with enough hydro shock that you really don't need to add a HP bullet into the mix instead to just blow a huge hole out of the back side of the game. So on that note to preserve meat on the exit side of the wound cavity out the back side of the game, you better off with a flat tip soft point jacketed bullet instead. It still going to exit the back side of the deer, but since the entry hydro shock is a tad less violent than say a HP, the channel out the back side of the game is smaller instead (as well as the meat blow out the exit channel as well). So bluntly, your just trying to put the deer down cleanly, and not trying to pura all the internal organs in the deer check cavity with a HP bullet instead. https://youtu.be/VXhCHhFFIFc |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 4:28:48 AM EDT
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Brownells didn't have quite the bullet selection available in the quantity I wanted, but I got these to try first:
XTP 240gr Sierra Sports Master 210gr I got 100 of each, as well as 200 Starline Brass. I already have both Winchester LPP, and Federal LP Magnum Primers on hand. That should be plenty to get some testing done as well as load up 10 or 20 for hunting season. Now, the wait for the Fed Ex truck with my Dillon and Brownell's packages 
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Posted: 11/4/2015 12:11:13 PM EDT
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AJE. Just a note: I talked to my brother last night he said he had a very bad experience with 180gr on deer. Close range shot and good hits.Very poor penetration.
He also said the 240gr is ok but staying away from the HP is a good idea on deer size game. Most 240gr HP simply over expand especially at rifle velocity. Motor |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 1:25:04 PM EDT
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Which non hollow point bullets should I try?
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Posted: 11/4/2015 2:23:59 PM EDT
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Which non hollow point bullets should I try? I really like the Hornady 265gr SP. This is also what Hornady suggests for deer. Maximum velocity is only 100f/s slower that the 240gr when using H-110 which btw is the powder that a achieved the highest velocity. This is "RIFLE DATA" so the velocity numbers should be accurate. They used a Ruger Carbine with 18" barrel. I would say any good jacketed non-hp 240gr would work ok too. You want to compare trajectory between the 240gr and the 265gr. You may find that the 265gr has a better BC and the drop difference between the two is negligible. Motor |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 4:27:29 PM EDT
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Due to the limited time between now and deer season, I won't get to try a bunch of different bullets like I would prefer to, but I will certainly take this into mind in the future.
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Posted: 11/4/2015 8:07:29 PM EDT
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I've killed several deer with my H&R handi rifle in .44 mag. Its a great deer round. Last year, the doe I shot was 120 yards out. 21 grains of IMR4227 under a 240gr. XTP. They work well.
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Posted: 11/4/2015 8:14:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/4/2015 10:45:49 PM EDT
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Be ready to get all sort of answers/suggestions! For me, I tend to stay away from hollow point bullets. They may be good, but for what I tend to shoot with a 44 mag up here, I want a better bullet. I prefer hard cast Keith style bullets in the 240 grain or higher. I have also used some Sierra 300 JSP for hunting Black Bear and they tend to do real well. I also have some 310 gas check hard cat that will get the job done at close ranges. As for powders, I use 2400 in the 240 grain and down bullets and 296 for the 300's. I have used a Ruger Super Black Hawk for most of my hunting,(moose, caribou and black bear) but also have a Ruger Red Hawk and a Marlin 1894. Being that I attempt to keep my shots under 75/80 yards, I find that a good set of sights(XS Ghost on my 1984) and a good red dot on my SBH work well. On thing that I have learned is that the 44 mag is easy to load for and handles most loads with out any issues. Have fun and be careful! Agree. I work in Alaska from time to time. When I do, I am required to carry a .44 magnum sidearm, which (of course) is not issued to me. I have to furnish my own. I have to procure my own ammunition, and I am not permitted to use handloads. For the large animals I am most likely to encounter (and haven't), I've also settled on a 240 grain bullet. In part that's because that is what's been available, and also because I have found that is what is least likely to knock me on my butt when I fire it. I would much rather use a Linotype 240 grain SWC, but I have had to use a semi-jacketed flat point that I buy in boxes of 50 at Fred Meyer. Last time, when I had to requalify, the safety officer and I got to try out a number of his handloads using 240 grain SWCs and 2400. Apart from being really loud, they were great. If someone is looking to get penetration, or despatch an injured large animal, I suggest against hollowpoint .44 magnum ammunition. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 11:34:21 PM EDT
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I've kiiled a lot of big midwestern deer with 240gr JHP's
They've always penetrated clean thru and exited out the other side I think your 240gr XTP's will be fine . |
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Posted: 11/5/2015 12:13:01 AM EDT
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I own and hunt with a Ruger 77/44 and have had very good experiences with Federal AE 240 gr jhp ammo. Pass thru and great blood trail on everything I've used it on, soft point bullets (at least the 240 gr WWB) work well also but don't throw much of a blood trail at all IMO (a sample of 4 deer IIRC). If you're chasing velocity take a look at Hodgdon's "Lil-Gun", it's been outperforming H110 (WW296) in my chrony tests but has not been as consistent for accuracy in my rifle.
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Posted: 11/5/2015 12:13:04 AM EDT
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I've kiiled a lot of big midwestern deer with 240gr JHP's They've always penetrated clean thru and exited out the other side I think your 240gr XTP's will be fine . What firearm and at what velocity? A rifle can easily push the 240gr HP beyond its reliable velocity for good penetration. If Hornady states that the 240gr XTP is not recommended for deer (in their rifle data) then I believe it. Motor |
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Posted: 11/5/2015 12:29:13 AM EDT
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I am not a big time hunter but have dropped a couple russain hogs with a 44 mag pistol . 240 commercial cast with a Winchester large pistol primer driven to almost 1200 fps with 2400
Same load goes honking out of my Marlin Cowboy at nearly 1850 . Not exactly laser beam but way flatter than a slug gun . I use a kieth bullet in the S&W 629 and a round nose flat point in the rifle I would think lighter bullets might not break big bones as well and the 300+ bullets start doing the rainbow trajectory thing . For deer I would think 240 is the sweet spot . Most commercial cast bullets are harder than they need to be (because folks think that is what they want) but they are really jut about right for the 44 mag with full loads . I have not found gas checks to be necessary . Shoot any copper in your gun and then shoot lead and it will lead quite a bit . do a heavy duty copper cleaning with something strong like Sweats 7.62 or Butche's Bore Scrub and the lead will work fine in most guns . Aparently cast lead slides on steel barrels but drags on copper jacket material left in the barrel. A medium firm crimp is both for recoil and also gives a good consistent ignition |
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Posted: 11/5/2015 1:23:56 AM EDT
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+1 240gr JHP max load of win296/H-110, winchester magnum primer, and a firm crimp. this is THE popular 44mag deer hunting combo because it works Good luck and good hunting This ... EXCEPT ... I'd steer clear of the Hornady XTP and FTX bullets. I had the 240 XTP load fail on a cow elk, from a revolver. The bullets (3 of them) came apart on her shoulder and only tiny fragments entered the vitals. A neck shot finally put her down. I had the Hornady flex tip crap fail on a big Kansas whitetail, in 45-70. Actually a one shot kill, but the jacket and core separated and it's the only animal I've ever shot with 45-70 that wasn't complete penetration. I have not shot a deer in almost 40 year with a 44 Mag rifle. Back then I had a Ruger auto loader that grouped best with Federal 180 JHP factory loads. One of those did the job. More recently I've shot a few hogs with a 44 mag levergun. I used my handloads with Winchester 240 jhp and Hornady 265 JSP bullets. These both worked great. |
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Posted: 11/5/2015 7:35:58 AM EDT
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I think this is the first I've ever seen a bad review on XTP bullets.
I'll be at an LGS today... looking for a powder other than H110 to try out... I'm thinking Lil Gun if they have it. |
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Posted: 11/5/2015 9:12:00 AM EDT
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I think this is the first I've ever seen a bad review on XTP bullets. I'll be at an LGS today... looking for a powder other than H110 to try out... I'm thinking Lil Gun if they have it. It's not really a bad review. The rifle simply is capable of shooting the bullet a lot faster than a normal barrel length pistol. The same rules apply when you use "30-30" bullets in a .308 Win. You have to slow them down or they will over expand and come apart. Same rules for light bullets. Would you use a 115gr HP in a 7mm-08 for deer? I don't think so. But that is exactly what I load using Hodgdon's youth load for my young female cousin. So far she has about 7 one shot kills on WV whitetail with it. I like the post above where the guy said he got perfect results on a "120 yard" shot using the 240gr XTP. That doesn't surprise me at all. At that range the bullet is well down into pistol like velocity. It's what happens at 30 yards to the 240gr XTP when it strikes bone at 1600f/s+ that is not good. It's a matter of matching your bullets to your velocity and intended purpose. Some bullet manufacturers even tell you what velocity range a particular bullet is designed to work in. Sierra is one of them. Motor |
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Posted: 11/5/2015 1:11:09 PM EDT
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I think this is the first I've ever seen a bad review on XTP bullets. I'll be at an LGS today... looking for a powder other than H110 to try out... I'm thinking Lil Gun if they have it. This thread is in the archives now, but team members should be able to see it. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_10_2/662677_Cow_Elk_meat_hunt_in_Texas.html Also, this thread has pics of the buck I killed with the Hornady FTX ammo in 45-70. https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=6&f=47&t=324138 |
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Posted: 11/5/2015 2:09:30 PM EDT
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It's not really a bad review. The rifle simply is capable of shooting the bullet a lot faster than a normal barrel length pistol. The same rules apply when you use "30-30" bullets in a .308 Win. You have to slow them down or they will over expand and come apart. Same rules for light bullets. Would you use a 115gr HP in a 7mm-08 for deer? I don't think so. But that is exactly what I load using Hodgdon's youth load for my young female cousin. So far she has about 7 one shot kills on WV whitetail with it. I like the post above where the guy said he got perfect results on a "120 yard" shot using the 240gr XTP. That doesn't surprise me at all. At that range the bullet is well down into pistol like velocity. It's what happens at 30 yards to the 240gr XTP when it strikes bone at 1600f/s+ that is not good. It's a matter of matching your bullets to your velocity and intended purpose. Some bullet manufacturers even tell you what velocity range a particular bullet is designed to work in. Sierra is one of them. Motor Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think this is the first I've ever seen a bad review on XTP bullets. I'll be at an LGS today... looking for a powder other than H110 to try out... I'm thinking Lil Gun if they have it. It's not really a bad review. The rifle simply is capable of shooting the bullet a lot faster than a normal barrel length pistol. The same rules apply when you use "30-30" bullets in a .308 Win. You have to slow them down or they will over expand and come apart. Same rules for light bullets. Would you use a 115gr HP in a 7mm-08 for deer? I don't think so. But that is exactly what I load using Hodgdon's youth load for my young female cousin. So far she has about 7 one shot kills on WV whitetail with it. I like the post above where the guy said he got perfect results on a "120 yard" shot using the 240gr XTP. That doesn't surprise me at all. At that range the bullet is well down into pistol like velocity. It's what happens at 30 yards to the 240gr XTP when it strikes bone at 1600f/s+ that is not good. It's a matter of matching your bullets to your velocity and intended purpose. Some bullet manufacturers even tell you what velocity range a particular bullet is designed to work in. Sierra is one of them. Motor I see what you mean. I hope to be able to report back with some deer hunting results at the end of the month. |
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Posted: 11/5/2015 2:52:48 PM EDT
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I have used Hornady XTP bullet in sabots in my muzzleloader for years and have never had issues with them on Ohio deer. 45 cal 300gr XTP going 1500fps from by 58 cal T/C Big Bore does just fine.
I also bought a 44 mag carbine (Rossi M92 16-inch) to hunt deer in Ohio last year and my load of choice is using 240gr XTP but a new job moved me south and I never got a chance to take a deer with it yet. Now I can use my 270 Win for deer if I like. :D |
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Posted: 11/5/2015 3:13:27 PM EDT
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I have used Hornady XTP bullet in sabots in my muzzleloader for years and have never had issues with them on Ohio deer. 45 cal 300gr XTP going 1500fps from by 58 cal T/C Big Bore does just fine. I also bought a 44 mag carbine (Rossi M92 16-inch) to hunt deer in Ohio last year and my load of choice is using 240gr XTP but a new job moved me south and I never got a chance to take a deer with it yet. Now I can use my 270 Win for deer if I like. :D I had 2 deer lost to shoulder hits with Hornady XTP's from my muzzleloader. Both were shot at 20 yds with a 150 Pyrodex load. The right hunting bullet for the right velocity is critical. |
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Posted: 11/5/2015 3:19:16 PM EDT
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Did you ever chrono the black powder load?
I used to shoot 150 gr but got tired of the recoil. I switched back to 100 last year. As bad as it sounds, I've never shot a deer with it and I've had it at least 15 years. I always seem to tag out in shotgun season or never see a deer for ML season. |
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Posted: 11/5/2015 3:58:37 PM EDT
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After getting tired of getting the shat kicked out of me with 120grs of Goex FFg under a 555gr Maxi Hunter I ended up with 90grs under a 300gr XTP in a sabot. The 90gr load gave me the best accuracy. and chrono's just a bit shy of 1500fps. I killed my largest deer to date with that load. A nice 9-pt that probably had a live weight around 200lbs. It was a quartering towards almost straight on shot. Bullet shattered the forward shoulder and exited just forward of the opposite side hip. My 44 Mag with its 16 inch barrel launches the 240gr at about the same velocity maybe a little slower.
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Posted: 11/5/2015 11:36:19 PM EDT
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One pound of H110 and one pound of BE86 picked up today. The LGS didn't have any Lil gun.
BE86 might not be ideal for this, but there is some 44 mag data for it. I also wanted to try it for hunting or carry ammo in other calibers. |
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Posted: 11/5/2015 11:40:26 PM EDT
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Please get back on topic, 44 magnum, not black powder.
I understand same bullet, same velocity....but the last couple of posts swerved off topic a bit. |
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Posted: 11/6/2015 12:29:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Please get back on topic, 44 magnum, not black powder. I understand same bullet, same velocity....but the last couple of posts swerved off topic a bit. Not sure how much this will help the OP but here is what I got, and yes it is a bit more back on topic. Chrono'ed Using a Chrony Alpha Master chronograph and fired from a Rossi M92 with a 16-inch barrel. For reference: CCI Blazer (AL-case) 240gr JHP Average: 1330fps (CCI states 1200fps from a 6.5 inch vented (ie revolver) barrel) Reloads: Bullet: Sierra 250gr FPJ Match Powder: 9.0gr Titegroup Primer: CCI Average: 1243 fps Bullet: Hornady 240gr JHP XTP Powder: 10.4gr Unique Primer: CCI Average: 1313 fps For both loads bullets where seated to their cannelure and a moderate roll crimp used. |
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Posted: 11/6/2015 1:41:58 AM EDT
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I wouldn't have guessed that Titegroup would push them that fast. Interesting.
As luck would have it, I found a review here that detailed not only some of the same powders and bullets I'll have, but out of the same gun. |
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Posted: 11/6/2015 9:50:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wouldn't have guessed that Titegroup would push them that fast. Interesting. As luck would have it, I found a review here that detailed not only some of the same powders and bullets I'll have, but out of the same gun. The Titegroup produced very consistent velocities. The std dev was only 14 fps. for that load. It could be pushed hotter IIRC, Hodgdon list 10.0 gr as the max under a 240. With Titegroup you can go really light too. 4.7 is listed as the lightest. Ouch, not sure about the Ruger Bolt gun but out of my little Rossi with its recoil reducing steel butt plate a 240gr bullet going nearly 1900fps is going to hurt. |
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Posted: 11/6/2015 10:20:10 AM EDT
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Bullets, brass, and dies will be here Monday
Conversion kit for the press and ammo boxes will be here Tuesday Rifle was put in layaway yesterday and I'll pick it up after the 13th. |
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Posted: 11/6/2015 12:30:11 PM EDT
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I really like these, non-HP bullet, but HP performance with great permanent wound channel results:
+ 23.5gr H110 / CCI LG Rifle Mag primer FTMFW! |
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Posted: 11/6/2015 7:16:10 PM EDT
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All I can say is don't waste your time with those 225gr FTX bullets. I've shot 3 deer with them and my 77/44 and there was jacket separation and poor penetration each time. I'd like to try the speer deep curls but I'm not sure if 240gr or 270gr would be better.
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Posted: 11/6/2015 9:50:41 PM EDT
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I really like the Hornady 265gr SP. This is also what Hornady suggests for deer. Maximum velocity is only 100f/s slower that the 240gr when using H-110 which btw is the powder that a achieved the highest velocity. This is "RIFLE DATA" so the velocity numbers should be accurate. They used a Ruger Carbine with 18" barrel. I would say any good jacketed non-hp 240gr would work ok too. You want to compare trajectory between the 240gr and the 265gr. You may find that the 265gr has a better BC and the drop difference between the two is negligible. Motor Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Which non hollow point bullets should I try? I really like the Hornady 265gr SP. This is also what Hornady suggests for deer. Maximum velocity is only 100f/s slower that the 240gr when using H-110 which btw is the powder that a achieved the highest velocity. This is "RIFLE DATA" so the velocity numbers should be accurate. They used a Ruger Carbine with 18" barrel. I would say any good jacketed non-hp 240gr would work ok too. You want to compare trajectory between the 240gr and the 265gr. You may find that the 265gr has a better BC and the drop difference between the two is negligible. Motor I have a 44mag lever gun 20" barrel. I started loading 44mag rifle for last deer season. I tried the 265gn FP bullets you are talking about. They are specifically made for the 444 marlin (2300+ fps). The 44mag will not push them fast enough for reliable expansion. In my tests they would not open or really even start to at 1400 fps. I'm not sure where you heard hornady doesnt suggest the 240gn XTP for 44 mag on deer. Its good from 1750-900fps range. I think you may be thinking of the 200gn XTP on deer with a rifle? I guess if someone was worried about it you could use the 240gn XTP mag. My rifle pushes the 240gn bullets at 1800fps using H110. I like the 240gn xtp and hard cast beartooth bullets with gas checks. I get the wide metplate .432 dia. |
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Posted: 11/6/2015 10:03:00 PM EDT
[#47]
I didn't "hear" that Hornady recommends not using the 240gr XTP on deer. I read it in their 8th edition manual. In 44 magnum rifle data.
BTW: The max load listed for the 265gr is 1700f/s from a 18" barrel Ruger Carbine. As far as expansion goes I think if you ask any cast bullet user you will find that when shooting a 44 caliber bullet expansion is not really necessary. The soft point of the 265gr will flatten enough to create a real good metplat and a very good wound channel. Motor |
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Posted: 11/6/2015 10:08:28 PM EDT
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I wouldn't have guessed that Titegroup would push them that fast. Interesting. Brother Rich over in Columbus says he using Titegroup in 500 Mag for moderate loads.. he was asking earlier this yr if I had a line on some
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Posted: 11/6/2015 11:17:21 PM EDT
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I think this is the first I've ever seen a bad review on XTP bullets. I'll be at an LGS today... looking for a powder other than H110 to try out... I'm thinking Lil Gun if they have it. I took a doe with. 180grain xtp pushed by a max load of h110 out of a marlin 1896. The exit wound looked like something out of a movie. The deer processor asked what elephant gun I shot it with. She dropped where she stood but it damaged the meat. |
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Posted: 11/6/2015 11:32:15 PM EDT
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I really like the 265gn FP bullet. But IMHO its not a great 44mag deer bullet. It was originally designed for the 444 marlin. Its a tough interlock bullet designed to hold together at 2300+fps.
I originally stated out wanted to use that bullet on my 44mag, but heard a lot of bad reports. I began using the data hornady provides with their ballistic calculator with the 44mag at 1700 fps is good but when you get to 50 yards that 265FP bullet is going 1527 fps. and at 100 yards its going 1372 fps. I wanted to see what the bullet would do at 100 yards so I down loaded to 1400 fps I shot through a wet phone book into (3) 5 gallon buckets lined up. The recovered bullet had no expansion, and could have been reloaded again. The only noticeable change was the rifling groves on the bullet. I just cleaned up the reloading room and pitched it or I would post a pic. I just think it was designed for higher velocity and when the speed drops unless you hit bone it will not expand. But with a good cast bullet you have a wide metplate and provide a large wound channel. I like the 250gn WFN from beartoooth https://beartoothbullets.com/bulletselect/index.htm Just for reference the 444 marlin shooting 2300 fps using that 265gn FP bullet is going 1371 fps at 250 yards edit. the link is screwed up but here is what I am talking about. 
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