Posted: 5/27/2015 11:52:18 PM EDT
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Okay, I understand all the knee jerk reactions......I've done plenty of that myself as you may have read already. But on these presses, we need to wait and see. The free market place is a wonderful thing.....nothing's set in stone, not the intitial prices nor initial policies like the silly powder measure/tool head combo requirement. That said, I hear you comparing the P.C. 7 to the 1050 as have many of us. I don't believe the P.C. 7 was aimed there. I think it was aimed at the 5 station presses, where we often feel we really could use another hole or two for pistol loading. It ain't going to have a swage rod in a conventional ram up to stationary dies.....just not feasible. Somebody tried that for the 650, and Dillon reacted with a warning that that method would void the warranty.
Yes the casefeeder is going to add serious dollars.....we can't get around that on any press. You want bullet and case feeders? You pay for it. Typical Price of a 1050 set up for bear is, according to Dillon around $1892.80, and that's with no bullet feeder and one caliber! Start in on quick caliber changes then you add $300 a pop (including another case feeder plate). So you gots to pay to play.
On Dillon's 650 page, they show a pretty press with options and state, "Typical price as shown with optional accessories is $1128.55"! Yup north of 1k. No bullet feeder there either. and no caliber changes. Progressives are pricy. But then one says the Hornady is way cheaper than that! Yup! Until you add case and bullet feeders. Then even the cheap one gets north of 1K fast. What an Ammo Plant cost? At Midway USA $1,200 plus shipping. Then you gotta add caliber changes including case & bullet feeder parts.
One thing I've personally discovered is that time heals the wounds to the pocket book! The trick is...you have to space the raids out a little! Take bm3 for example......he went for the Pro Chucker 5. Cheaper than the 7 to be sure. But he's still in line for a 7 down the road and he won't have to buy another press! Just the kit. When his pocket book heals up, and it will, he can decide if he wants more, and it will hurt less. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quote History Quoted:
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interesting, but w/out a swage rod like the 1050 and case feeder, by the time you add a casefeeder etc... you are probably north of 1k, and getting too close to 1050 territory to make me question the appeal of this press over the 1050. I do appreciate RCBS bringing new products to market as the competition should help us all.
Okay, I understand all the knee jerk reactions......I've done plenty of that myself as you may have read already. But on these presses, we need to wait and see. The free market place is a wonderful thing.....nothing's set in stone, not the intitial prices nor initial policies like the silly powder measure/tool head combo requirement. That said, I hear you comparing the P.C. 7 to the 1050 as have many of us. I don't believe the P.C. 7 was aimed there. I think it was aimed at the 5 station presses, where we often feel we really could use another hole or two for pistol loading. It ain't going to have a swage rod in a conventional ram up to stationary dies.....just not feasible. Somebody tried that for the 650, and Dillon reacted with a warning that that method would void the warranty.
Yes the casefeeder is going to add serious dollars.....we can't get around that on any press. You want bullet and case feeders? You pay for it. Typical Price of a 1050 set up for bear is, according to Dillon around $1892.80, and that's with no bullet feeder and one caliber! Start in on quick caliber changes then you add $300 a pop (including another case feeder plate). So you gots to pay to play.
On Dillon's 650 page, they show a pretty press with options and state, "Typical price as shown with optional accessories is $1128.55"! Yup north of 1k. No bullet feeder there either. and no caliber changes. Progressives are pricy. But then one says the Hornady is way cheaper than that! Yup! Until you add case and bullet feeders. Then even the cheap one gets north of 1K fast. What an Ammo Plant cost? At Midway USA $1,200 plus shipping. Then you gotta add caliber changes including case & bullet feeder parts.
One thing I've personally discovered is that time heals the wounds to the pocket book! The trick is...you have to space the raids out a little! Take bm3 for example......he went for the Pro Chucker 5. Cheaper than the 7 to be sure. But he's still in line for a 7 down the road and he won't have to buy another press! Just the kit. When his pocket book heals up, and it will, he can decide if he wants more, and it will hurt less.
What really helped is being able to sell off the pro2000 and bullet feeder
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