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Posted: 8/18/2014 9:24:09 PM EDT
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Midway USA had 124 grain Winchester Bonded blems last month in bulk packaging.
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Posted: 8/18/2014 9:33:17 PM EDT
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Edited: Sorry my original post led to bullets out of stock and not available. Federal HST's, Speer Gold Dots, Remington Golden Saber are good bullets. At present they are hard to find or not available.
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Posted: 8/19/2014 2:15:53 AM EDT
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As I type this, Powder Valley Has Barnes, Hornady and Nosler JHP in stock
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Posted: 8/19/2014 7:31:31 AM EDT
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Ok so what offerings are better than others? Like I said I would be wanting something that does well in the FBI protocol tests ie goes through barriers well and doesnt come apart stuff like that.
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Posted: 8/19/2014 1:12:28 PM EDT
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http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm
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Posted: 8/19/2014 4:13:13 PM EDT
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IIRC someone posted a while back that one of plated bullet companies was going to have a SD hollowpoint. I think there were even some gel tests?
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Posted: 8/19/2014 5:26:40 PM EDT
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IIRC someone posted a while back that one of plated bullet companies was going to have a SD hollowpoint. I think there were even some gel tests? Berry's is the company but at the present time only carries .40 and .45 calibers. |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 5:40:38 PM EDT
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do your own research....
the supply chain is what it is. What are the real chances of your reloads ever being used in real life? Are you Mexican Police with no means to obtain premium ammo? Are you a mall Ninja? 
Never mind the brand. Spend your money on training and practice ammo. After a few thousand more rounds and being able to place a shot anywhere you choose...then get into a real world debate about which brand of hollow point has what characteristics of penetration and expansion vs the supply chain. Or just buy a .45 or a rifle..... 
Richard Cranium |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 6:25:12 PM EDT
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Can't find any info on those Berry's
Previous poster, take a break |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 6:34:46 PM EDT
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Hornady XTPs are decent bullets.
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Posted: 8/19/2014 6:45:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: do your own research.... the supply chain is what it is. What are the real chances of your reloads ever being used in real life? Are you Mexican Police with no means to obtain premium ammo? Are you a mall Ninja? Never mind the brand. Spend your money on training and practice ammo. After a few thousand more rounds and being able to place a shot anywhere you choose...then get into a real world debate about which brand of hollow point has what characteristics of penetration and expansion vs the supply chain. Or just buy a .45 or a rifle..... Richard Cranium Tone down your posts if you want to continue to post in this forum. The parts I highlighted in blue are what I'm talking about. dryflash3
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Posted: 8/20/2014 10:33:35 AM EDT
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Berry's is the company but at the present time only carries .40 and .45 calibers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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IIRC someone posted a while back that one of plated bullet companies was going to have a SD hollowpoint. I think there were even some gel tests? Berry's is the company but at the present time only carries .40 and .45 calibers. I believe X-Treme has some... Linky Dinky |
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Posted: 8/20/2014 10:55:24 AM EDT
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Of the commonly thought to be "best" SD rounds (HST, Gold Dots, Win Ranger T, etc), only Speer Gold Dots are available as components IIRC. Sometimes you see HST or Ranger T bullets available, but I believe they are usually pull-downs
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Posted: 8/20/2014 12:51:10 PM EDT
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Hornady XTPs are decent bullets. These are what I'm loading till gold dots become readily available again. The XTPs aren't as good as the gold dots, but they will work better than an FMJ if the need arises. |
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Posted: 8/20/2014 2:27:18 PM EDT
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If you can find them, Remington Golden Sabers, Speer Gold Dots, and Hornady XTP bullets are all on the FBI approved list.
Get them moving 1100-1200 FPS (4 inch barrel) with a decent medium burn rate powder (HS-6,AA#7, Ramshot Silhouette, etc) and any off those bullets will do what you want them too. Personally I have around 500 rounds of the Golden Sabers and 500 rounds of the Gold Dots loaded over a STOUT load of Ramshot Silhouette stored back. I'd advise you to inspect and case gauge each and every round before putting it away, as this is self defense (or offense as it were) ammo. Good Luck! |
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Posted: 8/20/2014 4:31:18 PM EDT
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About the only bullet you can find will be the Hornady. Gold Dots and Bonded Golden Sabers are hit and miss and that being generous. Barnes bullets are just plain expensive and come in small packages.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 10:46:50 PM EDT
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If you can find them, Remington Golden Sabers, Speer Gold Dots, and Hornady XTP bullets are all on the FBI approved list. The Golden Saber can't hold onto it's jacket. It's an excellent feeding design, but weight retention is horrible, jacket separation is rampant, and core expansion sucks. The Bonded version has never been available as a component. I;ve never even seen it in loaded ammo, but it does technically exist. The XTP was designed as a hunting bullet and has never been able to pass the 4-layer denim test with any reliability. The only bullet generally available as a component that meets the test criteria is the Gold Dot. You can sometimes get Winchester Blems or Pulldowns. Similarly you can get HST pulldowns. Neither company sells their premium bullets directly as components though. Currently Winchester Bonded is available from Midway: http://www.midwayusa.com/product/213394/winchester-bullets-9mm-355-diameter-124-grain-bonded-jacketed-hollow-point-box-of-100-bulk-packaged?cm_vc=ProductFinding |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:26:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Golden Saber can't hold onto it's jacket. It's an excellent feeding design, but weight retention is horrible, jacket separation is rampant, and core expansion sucks. The Bonded version has never been available as a component. I;ve never even seen it in loaded ammo, but it does technically exist. The XTP was designed as a hunting bullet and has never been able to pass the 4-layer denim test with any reliability. The only bullet generally available as a component that meets the test criteria is the Gold Dot. You can sometimes get Winchester Blems or Pulldowns. Similarly you can get HST pulldowns. Neither company sells their premium bullets directly as components though. Currently Winchester Bonded is available from Midway: http://www.midwayusa.com/product/213394/winchester-bullets-9mm-355-diameter-124-grain-bonded-jacketed-hollow-point-box-of-100-bulk-packaged?cm_vc=ProductFinding Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you can find them, Remington Golden Sabers, Speer Gold Dots, and Hornady XTP bullets are all on the FBI approved list. The Golden Saber can't hold onto it's jacket. It's an excellent feeding design, but weight retention is horrible, jacket separation is rampant, and core expansion sucks. The Bonded version has never been available as a component. I;ve never even seen it in loaded ammo, but it does technically exist. The XTP was designed as a hunting bullet and has never been able to pass the 4-layer denim test with any reliability. The only bullet generally available as a component that meets the test criteria is the Gold Dot. You can sometimes get Winchester Blems or Pulldowns. Similarly you can get HST pulldowns. Neither company sells their premium bullets directly as components though. Currently Winchester Bonded is available from Midway: http://www.midwayusa.com/product/213394/winchester-bullets-9mm-355-diameter-124-grain-bonded-jacketed-hollow-point-box-of-100-bulk-packaged?cm_vc=ProductFinding Is all this in the ammo oracle(been a long time since I've perused it)? Probably time for a refresher. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 8:15:56 PM EDT
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Hornady XTPs are decent bullets. This. The Blackhills offering is my carry ammo. |
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Posted: 8/25/2014 7:23:37 AM EDT
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This. The Blackhills offering is my carry ammo. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hornady XTPs are decent bullets. This. The Blackhills offering is my carry ammo. Thanks for all the help so far. It basically reinforced what I had already figured about the gold dot and then that factory loadings have better bullets that are rarely available as components. I don't mind picking the stuff up a box at a time when its available. I do shoot and practice a lot. In fact so much so that I totally forgot over the years that in addition to buying all the components I need to load target ammo I should also be setting aside more than just a few mags of defensive stuff. Hey the cops and the feds do and they train more than they shoot at people in live situations. Basically its good to be prepared for any eventuality and I'm not super convinced that I want to be stuck with FMJ's in a situation like that. |
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Posted: 8/25/2014 8:06:07 AM EDT
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If you check with online reloading component suppliers you will find several of them have the Speer 124gr GDHP bullet in stock. Sorry I am not going to post links as they then won't be in stock for long. First 3 I checked with had them.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 8:49:13 AM EDT
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You might check Montana Gold.
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