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That should be an interesting thread, and cost folks some money.
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Not too good an early start for a new item - parts loose/missing & damaged parts that needed work before they fit
Pity Hornady dropped the ball on the rifle bullet feeders as they WERE supposed to be compatible with the Hornady pistol bullet feeder units I'll be looking elsewhere myself when time comes to invest in one |
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Have had it on backorder since December. Graf's usually ships pretty quick. Stay tuned for review! EDIT: Shipping to TX was only about $16. Dealer discount at Graf's made this a sweet deal. I received the bullet feeder Wednesday but it was a little slow getting started. These are the albeit minor issues with the install: 1. "Bullet Feed Plate" would not fit onto the "Center Pin". Upon inspection, I realized there were some nasty dings (pic below) on the edge of the hole the pin slides on. Filed off the rough edge and it slid right on. 2. The nuts, washers and bolts that attached the hopper to the support tube were not included. I used some odd bolts and nuts I had to rig it temporarily. Called Hornady Thursday. They were in my mailbox Saturday. 3. The Hex nut and Knurled thumb screw that clamp the bullet tube to the hopper were also missing. However, after pulling apart the packing cardboard in box, I found both floating in the box. They were supposed to be installed in factory but apparently the shipping process knocked them loose. I reported this to Hornady. Hopefully they will adjust their manufacturing process accordingly. Else, they should expect a lot of calls complaining about missing parts. 4. The knurled thumb screw (mentioned above) is supposed to be able to clamp the feed tube (which is a spring actually) into the hopper. However, I could not get the thing tightened enough by hand to clamp the tube into the "Bullet Drop Funnel". I had to get out the pliers to get it tight enough. Else, after a while, the tube would slide out of the funnel and drop all the bullets onto the floor. Bullet feed plate Microjust" stem. Still it wasn't all that hard to adjust. Seating depth stayed on target for the duration of reloading. You can see here the Microjust won't work: Top: New bullet feed die. Middle: Microjust stem. feature=youtu.be]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DkW_0sva4E&feature=youtu.be[/url] View Quote Fixed the link for you, nice review. VID |
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Yes, it seems like they rushed this first batch to market.
Not sure you will find a bullet feeder comparable in this price range though. Compare it to RCBS or any other bullet feeder, I think you will find the price competitive and product comparable (once you fix any manufacturing mistakes. Quoted:
Not too good an early start for a new item - parts loose/missing & damaged parts that needed work before they fit Pity Hornady dropped the ball on the rifle bullet feeders as they WERE supposed to be compatible with the Hornady pistol bullet feeder units I'll be looking elsewhere myself when time comes to invest in one View Quote |
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Well, I got my Rifle Bullet Feeder in today. No issues with missing hardware in mine - everything was there. My issue is I'm trying to make mine work in a Dillon 1050. I'm having a problem with that right now, as the die doesn't clear the cartridge before the shell plate wants to advance (meaning the top of the cartridge is still inside the seat die). On the LnL (didn't measure my RCBS Pro 2000 - but I expect it's similar), there is about 3.5" of clearance between the shell plate and the bottom of the feed/seat die, which the shell plate starts to rotate. On the 1050, it's only about 2.5" - leaving (coincidentally enough) a little under 1" of the cartridge still inside the die when it starts to rotate.
My suspicion is, the only way to get this particular combination to work is to machine a new indexing arm for the 1050, changing the profile of the arm such that the indexing happens later on in the stroke, and happens quicker - which may have the unintended consequence of sloshing powder around more. We'll see. On the upside, this feed/seat die looks MUCH more robust than the RCBS rifle bullet feeder. Since the bullet drop is case-activated, it's much less likely to jam up with multiple bullets (a big problem I had on the RCBS feeder). Secondly, even if there is a jam, the die disassembles very quickly (one thumb screw), allowing you to easily clean it out, and reassemble it. There are no adjustments to worry about when disassembling - all the adjustments are within the main body, and remain intact. This is certainly the lowest-priced rifle bullet feeder out there (at about $380 street price, vs. about $500 street price for RCBS, and the same for Mr. Bullet Feeder) - and unless you have a Dillon 1050, it should work just fine on any other press. |
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I noticed Graf's got the 30 Cal conversion in stock. I have one on backorder. I should expect a call from them any day.
Unfortunately, I won't be ok'ing that backorder to ship after reading this: Hornady Manual I specifically intended to use this for my 300BO and 30-30 (which has started to become a fun round for me). Here are the reasons I won't be buying: 1. Won't feed round or flat nose bullets (I guess that makes sense since it arranges them butt down using the bullet shape). 2. Will only seat/crimp cases between 1.82" and 2.85" (i.e. NO 300BO). I will email Hornady recommending they at least look into a shorter case die since they could easily remedy that issue. Kind of a bummer. |
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Wow.. super fast reply from Hornady RE: 30 Cal Conversion. Hope they do come up with fix. May just need a variety of feeding/seating die. As long as price isnt outrageous, I would be in for one. Here is the reply:
"Thank You for your correspondence and we are glad to hear you are so happy with the performance of the 22 caliber bullet feeder. We are aware of the issues with the 30 caliber conversion and the so-called “short comings” and are working on a solution." |
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Can this bullet feeder be converted to also drop pistol bullets?
I am looking at them for my two 650s. Dane |
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Can this bullet feeder be converted to also drop pistol bullets? Dane No - rifle only, and then only .22 and .30 caliber, on sufficiently long cases. Thank You Tom. I have two 650s, one setup in SP and the other setup in LP. I guess if I bought one for my pistol and one for rifle I could swap them back and forth between presses as long as the lower mounting bars are in the same position on both presses. Any thoughts or concerns on that concept? Dane |
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I just picked up the Pistol Bullet Feeder.
I have not set it up yet... but I can tell you the the "support tubes" look exactly the same. There is a top and bottom. I intend to leave the bottom support tube attached to bench and swap them out with the nuts and bolts that attach bottom to top. Here is the odd part.. The black hopper appears to be the same for the rifle and pistol bullet feeder. The only difference seems to be the fact that the rifle bullet feeder hopper has a shut off switch when the rifle bullet feeder tube is full. It doesn't appear that the Pistol had that function. In fact, I think that was a big complaint from reviewers. I think Hornady remedied that for rifle but still angered the pistol bullet feed owners by not making the two compatible. OY. So, it may be possible to just use the rifle hopper but swap out the disc and tube inside. Since I have not run the pistol feeder yet, I don't know for sure. Quoted:
Thank You Tom. I have two 650s, one setup in SP and the other setup in LP. I guess if I bought one for my pistol and one for rifle I could swap them back and forth between presses as long as the lower mounting bars are in the same position on both presses. Any thoughts or concerns on that concept? Dane View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Can this bullet feeder be converted to also drop pistol bullets? Dane No - rifle only, and then only .22 and .30 caliber, on sufficiently long cases. Thank You Tom. I have two 650s, one setup in SP and the other setup in LP. I guess if I bought one for my pistol and one for rifle I could swap them back and forth between presses as long as the lower mounting bars are in the same position on both presses. Any thoughts or concerns on that concept? Dane |
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Just scored on the 30cal conversion kit, see if I can make a gravity feed. Maybe get the whole thing later.
I called Hornady to see if the sold the feed die by itself they said not yet. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Just scored on the 30cal conversion kit, see if I can make a gravity feed. Maybe get the whole thing later. I called Hornady to see if the sold the feed die by itself they said not yet. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote Should be easy to do. Dealer pricing on Grafs is best deal I have seen. Was tempting. I will wait for Hornady's solution for 300BO first. Till then I will use my fingers |
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Success! I started to install my pistol bullet feeder. As i said earlier, I was going to just attach the hopper and upper support tube in the Pistol bullet feeder to the rifle bullet feeder's lower support tube using the two included nut/bolt sets.
That was a silly idea. Instead, I just removed the Rifle bullet feed wheel and hopper turning plate assembly (essentially the stuff inside hopper). Installed correct size tube for 9mm and I should be all set, right? No, not yet! The rifle bullet feeder as mentioned has a cut off switch that the pistol bullet feeder doesn't have. So, the circuit remained "open" since the wire was not attached to the rifle bullet feeder tube cut off switch. So, I attached that and let it dangle, and I was ready to go. Of course then I removed the switch and used a small wire as a "jumper" and that was sufficient. So, you should be all set with the 30 cal conversion working in your Pistol Bullet Feeder. You just have to pay attention to that tube (keep it filled without going mad with all the bullets rattling around in the hopper. Let us know your results. One other thing I should mention is the hopper on the rifle bullet feeder even has the little tab on the lower rim that is used to attach the support wire that supports the Pistol bullet feeder tube. That wire support is not needed or included in the 22 Cal Rifle Bullet Feeder. It was essentially the only other piece I needed to remove from the Pistol BF box. Let me know if it is needed or comes with the 30 Cal feeder conversion. Cheers! Quoted:
Just scored on the 30cal conversion kit, see if I can make a gravity feed. Maybe get the whole thing later. I called Hornady to see if the sold the feed die by itself they said not yet. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote |
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Success! I started to install my pistol bullet feeder. As i said earlier, I was going to just attach the hopper and upper support tube in the Pistol bullet feeder to the rifle bullet feeder's lower support tube using the two included nut/bolt sets. That was a silly idea. Instead, I just removed the Rifle bullet feed wheel and hopper turning plate assembly (essentially the stuff inside hopper). Installed correct size tube for 9mm and I should be all set, right? No, not yet! The rifle bullet feeder as mentioned has a cut off switch that the pistol bullet feeder doesn't have. So, the circuit remained "open" since the wire was not attached to the rifle bullet feeder tube cut off switch. So, I attached that and let it dangle, and I was ready to go. Of course then I removed the switch and used a small wire as a "jumper" and that was sufficient. So, you should be all set with the 30 cal conversion working in your Pistol Bullet Feeder. You just have to pay attention to that tube (keep it filled without going mad with all the bullets rattling around in the hopper. Let us know your results. One other thing I should mention is the hopper on the rifle bullet feeder even has the little tab on the lower rim that is used to attach the support wire that supports the Pistol bullet feeder tube. That wire support is not needed or included in the 22 Cal Rifle Bullet Feeder. It was essentially the only other piece I needed to remove from the Pistol BF box. Let me know if it is needed or comes with the 30 Cal feeder conversion. Cheers! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Success! I started to install my pistol bullet feeder. As i said earlier, I was going to just attach the hopper and upper support tube in the Pistol bullet feeder to the rifle bullet feeder's lower support tube using the two included nut/bolt sets. That was a silly idea. Instead, I just removed the Rifle bullet feed wheel and hopper turning plate assembly (essentially the stuff inside hopper). Installed correct size tube for 9mm and I should be all set, right? No, not yet! The rifle bullet feeder as mentioned has a cut off switch that the pistol bullet feeder doesn't have. So, the circuit remained "open" since the wire was not attached to the rifle bullet feeder tube cut off switch. So, I attached that and let it dangle, and I was ready to go. Of course then I removed the switch and used a small wire as a "jumper" and that was sufficient. So, you should be all set with the 30 cal conversion working in your Pistol Bullet Feeder. You just have to pay attention to that tube (keep it filled without going mad with all the bullets rattling around in the hopper. Let us know your results. One other thing I should mention is the hopper on the rifle bullet feeder even has the little tab on the lower rim that is used to attach the support wire that supports the Pistol bullet feeder tube. That wire support is not needed or included in the 22 Cal Rifle Bullet Feeder. It was essentially the only other piece I needed to remove from the Pistol BF box. Let me know if it is needed or comes with the 30 Cal feeder conversion. Cheers! Quoted:
Just scored on the 30cal conversion kit, see if I can make a gravity feed. Maybe get the whole thing later. I called Hornady to see if the sold the feed die by itself they said not yet. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Hmmm, That is interesting I was under the impression they were not interchangeable. I was content with just using the rifle feeder die by itself. |
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It's really odd indeed. The pistol bullet feeder hopper even has the hole (plugged) where the cut off switch goes.
Here is your fix for the cut off switch: Since you are a handy guy, you could probably add a switch. The 30 cal bullet feeder tube will have the cut off switch included (built into the tube). You seem like someone who can fiddle with electrical work. All you need to do is have two wires spliced to the lead to the flip switch on back of hopper. Both of those lines should attach to each of the two connectors on the cut off switch on tube. Remember, open circuit is off, closed is on. Edit: PM or post if you don't understand my babble. Quoted:
Hmmm, That is interesting I was under the impression they were not interchangeable. I was content with just using the rifle feeder die by itself. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Success! I started to install my pistol bullet feeder. As i said earlier, I was going to just attach the hopper and upper support tube in the Pistol bullet feeder to the rifle bullet feeder's lower support tube using the two included nut/bolt sets. That was a silly idea. Instead, I just removed the Rifle bullet feed wheel and hopper turning plate assembly (essentially the stuff inside hopper). Installed correct size tube for 9mm and I should be all set, right? No, not yet! The rifle bullet feeder as mentioned has a cut off switch that the pistol bullet feeder doesn't have. So, the circuit remained "open" since the wire was not attached to the rifle bullet feeder tube cut off switch. So, I attached that and let it dangle, and I was ready to go. Of course then I removed the switch and used a small wire as a "jumper" and that was sufficient. So, you should be all set with the 30 cal conversion working in your Pistol Bullet Feeder. You just have to pay attention to that tube (keep it filled without going mad with all the bullets rattling around in the hopper. Let us know your results. One other thing I should mention is the hopper on the rifle bullet feeder even has the little tab on the lower rim that is used to attach the support wire that supports the Pistol bullet feeder tube. That wire support is not needed or included in the 22 Cal Rifle Bullet Feeder. It was essentially the only other piece I needed to remove from the Pistol BF box. Let me know if it is needed or comes with the 30 Cal feeder conversion. Cheers! Quoted:
Just scored on the 30cal conversion kit, see if I can make a gravity feed. Maybe get the whole thing later. I called Hornady to see if the sold the feed die by itself they said not yet. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Hmmm, That is interesting I was under the impression they were not interchangeable. I was content with just using the rifle feeder die by itself. |
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I am used to just "cycling" the hopper when loading for pistol, if I happen to snooze and empty the tube I just turn it on and grab a bullet out of the hopper to load the waiting case, by that time the bullets are ready in the die for the next. ....but yes I do have quite a collection of electrical components, soldering irons, meters, etc.
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Yes, but remember, with the rifle bullet feeder you don't have the luxury of just grabbing a bullet and placing it before you seat. The placing and seating is done at the same time - in same die. SO, if you notice no bullet is seated, you may be tempted to stop before the plate indexes and try to seat a bullet in the die. You then have a double charge two steps back. Of course a double charge in most 30 cal rounds would be an overspill* and noticed (at least in the 30's I load). Perhaps this is the exact reason Hornady didn't come out with a pistol bullet feed die that places and seats? Very easy to be tempted to double charge...
Anyway, food for thought. *Note: 300BO may not be noticed depending on Powder but those don't work with new feeder die as mentioned earlier in this thread. Quoted:
I am used to just "cycling" the hopper when loading for pistol, if I happen to snooze and empty the tube I just turn it on and grab a bullet out of the hopper to load the waiting case, by that time the bullets are ready in the die for the next. ....but yes I do have quite a collection of electrical components, soldering irons, meters, etc. View Quote |
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