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Posted: 8/22/2012 6:20:52 PM
I loaded a few rounds as follows;
.45 ACP 230 grain Rainiers
7.0 grains Power Pistol
1.230 OAL

I loaded them to get close to the GI spec, 230 grain in the mid 800's FPS, but being a new reloader I didn't see that plated bullets were suppose to be loaded to lead recipes.

I worked up to this load from 6.8 grains and have shot about 50 through my Glock 21, since it seemed to be accurate. Recoil seemed little sharper than WWB, but at the time I shot WWB I was holding the gun wrong. Brass seemed fine, though I enjoy the muzzle flash a lot.

I just want to know if I loaded it too much. I don't want to damage my Glock, and I searched but keep getting conflicting answers.
I do have a chronograph I just don't have anywhere to use it, as the range where I'm at doesn't have where I could set it.

Any help please.
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Posted: 8/22/2012 8:11:03 PM
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how many did you load?

pull 'em down just to be safe
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Posted: 8/22/2012 8:16:18 PM
Remember that when loading plated bullets use hard cast lead loading data. PP might be over kill for your purposes...
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Posted: 8/22/2012 9:14:50 PM
I would shoot them as is...

My understanding on the use of lead data, velocity has to be taken into account... I would generally not push a plated bullet past 1,000 fps...

This load appears to be nowhere near that, and below the max shown for a 230 gr Speer Gold Dot or 230 TMJ by Alliants guide.... but use your own judgement...
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Posted: 8/22/2012 10:17:25 PM

Originally Posted By mgeh:
I loaded a few rounds as follows;
.45 ACP 230 grain Rainiers
7.0 grains Power Pistol
1.230 OAL

I loaded them to get close to the GI spec, 230 grain in the mid 800's FPS, but being a new reloader I didn't see that plated bullets were suppose to be loaded to lead recipes.

I worked up to this load from 6.8 grains and have shot about 50 through my Glock 21, since it seemed to be accurate. Recoil seemed little sharper than WWB, but at the time I shot WWB I was holding the gun wrong. Brass seemed fine, though I enjoy the muzzle flash a lot.

I just want to know if I loaded it too much. I don't want to damage my Glock, and I searched but keep getting conflicting answers.
I do have a chronograph I just don't have anywhere to use it, as the range where I'm at doesn't have where I could set it.

Any help please.

This applies to 45 ACP ONLY,

With plated bullets I have loaded 230 gr RN to full velocity. 850-900 fps.

The key is to stay below 1000 fps and do not over crimp and cut into the thin jacket.

So shoot you loads, and lesson learned.

But always best to follow instructions.


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Posted: 8/23/2012 12:41:40 AM
I loaded close to 75. I figured if I stayed close to the mid 800 or a bit less I would be fine. Then I read the warning.

I was using Power Pistol because its what I have for my 9mm and I don't have much funds.

I see a lot of info for Gold Dot and not much for plated. I know Gold Dot is plated too so could I use that info too just not the OAL?

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Posted: 8/23/2012 3:24:55 AM
Gold Dots are jacketed, not plated.

Still, I'll agree with dryflash that you'll be fine shooting them. I made almost the exact same mistake with Power Pistol.
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Posted: 8/23/2012 9:44:32 AM
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Your load is more than safe, no reason to pull them!

I've loaded Power Pistol under true jacketed Montana Gold projectiles (run higher pressures than plated) at 7.2 grains and 8.0 grains already. The 7.2 chronograph at 865 fps and the 8.0s chronograph at 937 fps. The 8.0 grain is .1 grain under max and is quite hot. I was loading to 1.25". They had zero pressure signs. Power Pistol is very forgiving, and you're a whole grain under max. I'd suspect you're well under max pressure and I'd bet you're right around 850 fps.

99% of the .45 ACP I load is shot through my HK USP, and it can handle the hottest loads. Your G21 should do fine with warmer loads as well. The 7.2 grain load is very close to factory/GI spec but Power Pistol is a bit slow, so it's flashy and loud. However, it is very consistent, accurate, and pretty clean burning, too.

I've since switched to plated bullets as well and have loaded up 20 for testing at 1.275" OAL and over 6.8 grains. I suspect these will be about 830 fps. Hoping to test and chrono next weekend.

In my experience plated bullets load much closer to jacketed than lead in terms of the powder / velocity relationship.

Power Pistol IS a lot of fun, and in 9mm it's really hard to beat. In .45 ACP it works well too, but it is unnecessarily flashy and loud if you just want to replicate ball ammo. I am going to look into Solo 1000, W231, American Select, or Bullseye here shortly for my more basic .45 ACP loads.

ETA: Also, in my experience plated bullets are good for well over 1000 fps. They shoot fine in my 9mm loads at 1200-1300 fps and in .357 Mag hovering right around 1300 fps.
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Posted: 8/23/2012 11:18:38 AM
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Originally Posted By AJE:
Gold Dots are jacketed, not plated.

Still, I'll agree with dryflash that you'll be fine shooting them. I made almost the exact same mistake with Power Pistol.


Your information is wrong...do a little research and you will find that God Dots are indeed plated as the O.P. stated. A thicker plate than some, but plated none the less, as Speer likes to say in their advertising, "one molecule at a time."

Hardness and thickness of the plated jacket and hardness of the lead core underneath is more what determines whether it acts like a lead bullet or a jacketed bullet at speed through a barrel. Gold Dots do have a thicker plated jacket compared to Berry's and Rainier's and the core is hard enough to make it perform.

Berry's is about to release a Gold Dot copy that looks and hopefully performs like a Gold Dot. Release date is this summer.....they are going to have to hurry....summers about over.
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Posted: 8/23/2012 5:48:48 PM
Thanks, I learned quite a bit right now.

After I shoot these off I'm going to load the remaining to at 6.5 and 6.8 and see which ones work best.

As much as I enjoy the movie effect muzzle flash I think I'm going to look into a seperate powder for 9mm and .45 ACP.
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Posted: 8/23/2012 7:16:26 PM

Originally Posted By GWhis:
Originally Posted By AJE:
Gold Dots are jacketed, not plated.

Still, I'll agree with dryflash that you'll be fine shooting them. I made almost the exact same mistake with Power Pistol.


Your information is wrong...do a little research and you will find that God Dots are indeed plated as the O.P. stated. A thicker plate than some, but plated none the less, as Speer likes to say in their advertising, "one molecule at a time."

Hardness and thickness of the plated jacket and hardness of the lead core underneath is more what determines whether it acts like a lead bullet or a jacketed bullet at speed through a barrel. Gold Dots do have a thicker plated jacket compared to Berry's and Rainier's and the core is hard enough to make it perform.

Berry's is about to release a Gold Dot copy that looks and hopefully performs like a Gold Dot. Release date is this summer.....they are going to have to hurry....summers about over.

I'll concede to you on that point although their website refers to "the copper jacket". There seems to be quite a bit of discussion on that point.
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Posted: 8/23/2012 10:35:57 PM
I am not familar with PP, I load WW 231 4.7gr with a 230 RNL, meters well and is accurat in my MKIV Colt, also I load a OAL at 1.26, factory ball that I have is 1.27 OAL.
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Posted: 8/24/2012 2:35:35 PM
Originally Posted By AJE:

Originally Posted By GWhis:
Originally Posted By AJE:
Gold Dots are jacketed, not plated.

Still, I'll agree with dryflash that you'll be fine shooting them. I made almost the exact same mistake with Power Pistol.


Your information is wrong...do a little research and you will find that God Dots are indeed plated as the O.P. stated. A thicker plate than some, but plated none the less, as Speer likes to say in their advertising, "one molecule at a time."

Hardness and thickness of the plated jacket and hardness of the lead core underneath is more what determines whether it acts like a lead bullet or a jacketed bullet at speed through a barrel. Gold Dots do have a thicker plated jacket compared to Berry's and Rainier's and the core is hard enough to make it perform.

Berry's is about to release a Gold Dot copy that looks and hopefully performs like a Gold Dot. Release date is this summer.....they are going to have to hurry....summers about over.

I'll concede to you on that point although their website refers to "the copper jacket". There seems to be quite a bit of discussion on that point.


IMO Speer's "jacket" wording, which has caused the confusion, was purely intentional....a marketing thing. A plated jacket is technically a jacket. If Speer was to advertise them as plated bullets, some might not ever try them...which would be too bad for them. They are an excellent bullet, one of the best, plated or not.

Speer Gold Dot.

Berry's new SD bullet. (Hope it turns out as good)