 The_Bricklayer
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Posted: 8/8/2012 10:58:26 PM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT My question is, how much variation in accuracy will I see if I use a mix of LC, RP, FC, and WCC? I could sort them but ive got a lot. The main purpose will be hitting steel plates out to 400 ..500 yds at the most. |
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dryflash3
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Posted: 8/9/2012 12:14:38 AM
If it was me and accuracy was important I would sort to headstamp.
But that's me. |
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dryflash3
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Posted: 8/9/2012 12:16:25 AM
If it was me and accuracy was important I would sort to headstamp.
But that's me.
When you are inspecting the cases, that's the time to sort. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 1:49:35 AM
You could try a test where you just run your load process as you wanted, then sort loaded rounds and see if their point of impact and group size are significantly different, and then decide...
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Posted: 8/9/2012 10:00:31 AM
[Last Edit: 8/9/2012 10:01:46 AM by Motor1]
Originally Posted By dry flash3:
If it was me and accuracy was important I would sort to headstamp. But that's me. Agree 100%. At least by headstamp. I go one step farther but honestly can't say if it really makes a difference but I know it don't hurt. After I totally prep my brass(and separate by headstamp) as in it's ready to load all trimmed to same length etc. I weight match lots into +/- 1/2 grain weights. Example: if a case weighs 91.5 to 92.5 it goes into the "92" tray. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 4:59:46 PM
Originally Posted By Motor1:
Originally Posted By dry flash3:
If it was me and accuracy was important I would sort to headstamp. But that's me. Agree 100%. At least by headstamp. I go one step farther but honestly can't say if it really makes a difference but I know it don't hurt. After I totally prep my brass(and separate by headstamp) as in it's ready to load all trimmed to same length etc. I weight match lots into +/- 1/2 grain weights. Example: if a case weighs 91.5 to 92.5 it goes into the "92" tray. I don't get this involved, i just sort by HS. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 5:59:08 PM
Originally Posted By jim:
Originally Posted By Motor1:
Originally Posted By dry flash3:
If it was me and accuracy was important I would sort to headstamp. But that's me. Agree 100%. At least by headstamp. I go one step farther but honestly can't say if it really makes a difference but I know it don't hurt. After I totally prep my brass(and separate by headstamp) as in it's ready to load all trimmed to same length etc. I weight match lots into +/- 1/2 grain weights. Example: if a case weighs 91.5 to 92.5 it goes into the "92" tray. I don't get this involved, i just sort by HS. I don't do this with all of it. I just did a couple 50 round lots. One is for my varmint ammo. The other for my 65gr deer hunting ammo. Yes I know for the deer hunting stuff it's way over kill but I did it prior to load development because I wanted to see how good I could get the 65's to shoot. The OP did say targets to 500 yards. It wouldn't hurt to do some and try it. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 6:03:46 PM
i got a batch for plinking all mixed up HS.
I prepped and loaded them all the same. I was consistently hitting steel with 62 grain pulldown ss109 at about 400 yards in a pretty heavy wind. They really aren't all that accurate that would equate to about 2 moa. I haven't had the need yet but i figured i would just sort through my loaded cartridges for similar head stamps if i want to get my groups tighter. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 6:04:46 PM
Originally Posted By dryflash3:
If it was me and accuracy was important I would sort to headstamp. But that's me. When you are inspecting the cases, that's the time to sort. What if one is just shooting 55 gr. pulls and is comfortable with 1-2 MOA? Shooting a middle weight charge, there shouldn't be any pressure issues, should there? I don't sort handgun brass, but have previously for small lots of rifle reloads. I've been thinking about this a lot lately since I am getting ready to ramp up my rifle reloading. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 6:24:33 PM
[Last Edit: 8/9/2012 6:25:29 PM by Motor1]
Originally Posted By Corporal_Chaos:
Originally Posted By dry flash3:
If it was me and accuracy was important I would sort to headstamp. But that's me. When you are inspecting the cases, that's the time to sort. What if one is just shooting 55 gr. pulls and is comfortable with 1-2 MOA? Shooting a middle weight charge, there shouldn't be any pressure issues, should there? I don't sort handgun brass, but have previously for small lots of rifle reloads. I've been thinking about this a lot lately since I am getting ready to ramp up my rifle reloading. No there shouldn't be any pressure issues. This thread relates to accuracy only and sorting brass in an attempt to improve such. I too shoot mix brass for plinking and get good results. It has been proven though in testing by gunwriters that different cases can change point of impact pretty dramatically which increases group size by up to 300%. So your 1-2 MOA could become 3-6 MOA depending how lucky you are. If you separate at least by headstamp you cut down the chance of this significantly. |
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dryflash3
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Posted: 8/10/2012 12:12:14 AM
Originally Posted By Corporal_Chaos: Originally Posted By dryflash3: If it was me and accuracy was important I would sort to headstamp. But that's me.
When you are inspecting the cases, that's the time to sort. What if one is just shooting 55 gr. pulls and is comfortable with 1-2 MOA? Shooting a middle weight charge, there shouldn't be any pressure issues, should there? I don't sort handgun brass, but have previously for small lots of rifle reloads. I've been thinking about this a lot lately since I am getting ready to ramp up my rifle reloading. With mid range loads you will be fine as long as no PMP cases sneak in. PMP cases have a very heavy web and loads need to be reducer 2 grains over a Win or LC case.
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Posted: 8/10/2012 9:03:08 AM
[Last Edit: 8/10/2012 12:54:06 PM by Motor1]
Originally Posted By dryflash3:
Originally Posted By Corporal_Chaos:
Originally Posted By dryflash3:
If it was me and accuracy was important I would sort to headstamp. But that's me. When you are inspecting the cases, that's the time to sort. What if one is just shooting 55 gr. pulls and is comfortable with 1-2 MOA? Shooting a middle weight charge, there shouldn't be any pressure issues, should there? I don't sort handgun brass, but have previously for small lots of rifle reloads. I've been thinking about this a lot lately since I am getting ready to ramp up my rifle reloading. With mid range loads you will be fine as long as no PMP cases sneak in. PMP cases have a very heavy web and loads need to be reducer 2 grains over a Win or LC case. Hey dryflash3, Thanks for that info. I have a bunch of PMP and will keep that in mind. I sort and seperate most brands that I have a good amount of. I also seperate LC out of the other GI brass. I get lucky some times and get a decent amount of once fired from one person. I guy gave me 350 LC 11 a few weeks back then last weekend another gave me about 50 more. So my boy has a good lot of brass for his rifle all LC and all the same year. 
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dryflash3
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Posted: 8/10/2012 10:59:08 AM
PMP is high quality brass, just sort it out and load lighter than other cases.
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Posted: 8/10/2012 11:26:12 AM
i always sort by headstamp with the precision loads.
And after one firing at max pressures they get tossed in the plinking bucket where i load a lower charge |
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