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Posted: 8/6/2012 7:39:25 PM
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Posted: 8/6/2012 7:43:06 PM
[Last Edit: 8/6/2012 7:44:29 PM by bfoosh06]
What rifle ? Semi-Autos typically have different needs than bolt rifles.
Some standards are , The 4895s, Varget ,RL15, IMR4064 |
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Posted: 8/6/2012 7:45:02 PM
I like Varget the best.
You can use W748 too. It meters more easily, but it is temp sensitive. |
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Posted: 8/6/2012 7:45:40 PM
My favorite for all types of rifles shooting 308 is IMR4064.
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Posted: 8/6/2012 8:03:32 PM
Varget, 4895 and BL(C)2.
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Posted: 8/6/2012 8:54:30 PM
I have had great luck with IMR4895 in my M1A.
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Posted: 8/6/2012 9:21:50 PM
This will be for a Sig 716.
It seemed to me that using something line Varget or BL-C(2) wouldn't be as efficient in the larger 7.62 case because I always associated them with 5.56. Which 4895? From what I understand, while similar, the IMR and Hodgdon versions are different enough to be concerned about, so is one in some way better than the other? |
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Posted: 8/6/2012 9:52:46 PM
IMR 3031
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Posted: 8/6/2012 9:53:16 PM
Don't forget AA-2520.
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Posted: 8/6/2012 10:19:29 PM
[Last Edit: 8/6/2012 10:58:37 PM by bfoosh06]
Originally Posted By GHPorter:
This will be for a Sig 716. It seemed to me that using something line Varget or BL-C(2) wouldn't be as efficient in the larger 7.62 case because I always associated them with 5.56. Which 4895? From what I understand, while similar, the IMR and Hodgdon versions are different enough to be concerned about, so is one in some way better than the other? While I love ball powders( they meter so well ), BL-C(2) , for me at least... gets spooky pressures fast at higher temps and peak pressure. I for one will only us that powder at moderate speeds. Just my 2 cents. You might consider CFE 223 instead. And Varget shines in .308, but doesn't always meter well. You can use both IMR and H in your .308, but tthe data does NOT interchange. I perfer the H4895 because it has the "Extreme" advantage... more temp stable, etc...http://www.hodgdon.com/smokeless/extreme/page2.php#top All the suggestions will work, but ( No Offense Guys... IMHO ) the older ball powders ( 748, BL-C2) have been surpassed in a certain sense by some of the newer powders. CFE 223 has anti fouling features, RL 15 , and Varget are GTG Newer powders. The 4895's and IMR 4064 have proven time and time again to be winners for decades in .308. The powders have a "NATO, USGI" pressure curve ( not trying to stir up a Hornets nest.... ) and just plain work. AA 2520 is one I would like to try...., but ... the standbys just work so friggin' well ! |
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Posted: 8/6/2012 11:26:41 PM
I have a DPMS SASS and other than it loving Federal Gold metal match 168. i have been using TAC,H4895,Varget and just recently picked up some AR-COMP which is suposed to be very similar to the Reloaer 15 but work better in the AR platform well see . alos all i load is 168 SMK for the 308.
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Posted: 8/7/2012 12:23:16 AM
[Last Edit: 8/7/2012 12:24:12 AM by Alpha82]
Reloder 15 is a newer powder? news to me, I love the stuff, but I'm pretty sure its been around for well over a decade, possibly decades. But that's not really relevant. For the lighter bullets 150-168 on a progressive I'd probably go for TAC. For the 168-178gr try AR-Comp, CFE 223, and/or 2000MR (showed very good potential with 178BTHPs).
I prefer to load my precision rounds on a single stage, and find RL15 and Varget to perform best, but their metering may a drawback on the progressive. Quite a few of the powders that work well in .223 particularly with heavy bullets, also do well in .308. Many fine powders out there, I certainly haven't come close to trying them all, just gotta find your load. Good luck, report your findings. |
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Posted: 8/7/2012 1:15:29 AM
[Last Edit: 8/7/2012 1:22:00 AM by turningfast]
I'm partial to TAC, I get great accuracy with my DPMS rifle using it.
Edit: Never loaded lighter than 168gr though. |
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Posted: 8/7/2012 1:41:06 AM
I have used Varget for 308 loaded through a Hornady LnL. It is tough to meter the Varget so be careful on your powder drops. I would suggest you might try some ball powders to get consistent metering. The LnL tends to shear the extruded Varget.
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Posted: 8/7/2012 1:52:51 AM
I use IMR4064 as a go to for 308.
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Posted: 8/7/2012 9:28:27 AM
[Last Edit: 8/7/2012 9:29:23 AM by bfoosh06]
Originally Posted By Alpha82:
Reloder 15 is a newer powder? news to me, I love the stuff, but I'm pretty sure its been around for well over a decade, possibly decades. But that's not really relevant. For the lighter bullets 150-168 on a progressive I'd probably go for TAC. For the 168-178gr try AR-Comp, CFE 223, and/or 2000MR (showed very good potential with 178BTHPs). I prefer to load my precision rounds on a single stage, and find RL15 and Varget to perform best, but their metering may a drawback on the progressive. Quite a few of the powders that work well in .223 particularly with heavy bullets, also do well in .308. Many fine powders out there, I certainly haven't come close to trying them all, just gotta find your load. Good luck, report your findings. In context to RL 15, newer to me is because I'm so damn old !  And decades is new ! lol I seem to think it was reformulated at some point also. |
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Posted: 8/7/2012 9:30:08 AM
All good powders. I would go with what meters the best and shoots the best. I don't use a progressive loader so IMR-4064 is my current choice. It works well in my bolt action as well as my Rem. 742 and MAS 49-56. Best part is I can buy it at Walmart.
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Posted: 8/7/2012 9:52:41 AM
I've had great luck so far with IMR 8028 XBR. Think I should give 4895 a shot?
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Posted: 8/7/2012 11:46:19 AM
I use H335, for both my bolt guns and my semi-auto CETME.
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Posted: 8/7/2012 1:24:12 PM
I am curious as well. For a .308 AR using 168 gr match bullets, what would be a better ball powder? I am trying to gather up supplies and plan on using a Hornady LnL progressive press, hence wanting to use ball powder.
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Posted: 8/7/2012 2:02:32 PM
For accuracy I use varget. On the Dillon 650, I like Ramshot TAC.
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Posted: 8/7/2012 2:41:07 PM
Originally Posted By mrrick:
I use IMR4064 as a go to for 308. I will always have IMR4064 around but no way would I ever attempt to use it in a progressive setup. Not unless you have a automatic powder dispenser scale combo and pick up the charge and dump everyone into the progressive operation. I use it in my milsurps quite a bit and I especially love it in my heavy bolt .308 rifle. It's got to be the worst measuring powder in existence though. |
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Posted: 8/7/2012 3:59:16 PM
[Last Edit: 8/7/2012 3:59:58 PM by Motor1]
Originally Posted By jough43:
I am curious as well. For a .308 AR using 168 gr match bullets, what would be a better ball powder? I am trying to gather up supplies and plan on using a Hornady LnL progressive press, hence wanting to use ball powder. Get in your manuals and try some. If velocity is not a major concern, H-322 is another good one although it maxes out at around 2500 f/s with the 168gr bullet. My friends and I used a few hundred pounds of the stuff back in the late 80's and early 90's shooting high power rifle silhouette. We used to get it for like $6 a pound. Oh those were the days. 
We used a lot of H-335 also. I had some very good loads using W-748 too but it was never a bargain. You may want to look into some of the surplus stuff. I think WC-844 and WC-846 are compatible with the .308 Win. They are both ball powders and I've seen them at gun shows for around $11 a pound (8lb jug). |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 3:43:50 AM
Alliant's Power Pro 2000 (spherical) shows good promise for high velocities and improved temperature INsensitivity. Power Pro 2000 review
Alliant's AR-Comp (extruded/stick) is a reformulated variant of Reloder-15 that is a touch faster burning and shows excellent temperature insensitivity. AR-Comp vs. Varget |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 2:10:49 PM
If I could have just one powder for .308 in any platform, it would be H4895. CFE has been very accurate with 168 Hornady match in my Rem 700 20" SPS Tac. We are using some Varget, but for the progressives it looks like CFE will get the nod.
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Posted: 8/10/2012 8:33:53 PM
I asked this same question here just a month of so ago. See this thread: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_42/373669_What_kind_of_powder_do_you_use_for_308_.html
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