 lonewolf223 
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Posted: 8/3/2012 6:34:59 PM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT of 45 ACP. Do I have to crimp at station 4 of Dillon 550-B? (Only) I've been crimping at Station #3, but have been getting shaving of lead that causes headaches. Should I bell-mouth more at Station#2? Can I crimp at Station#4 with a Lee FCD??? Any ideas????? Thanks! |
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Posted: 8/3/2012 6:43:12 PM
I have a square deal B, but if you are getting lead shavings then you should bell the mouth of the case a little more.
Also never have crimped at station 3, seat there and crimp at station 4 |
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Posted: 8/3/2012 6:43:35 PM
I do not crimp and seat lead bullets in one step. I crimp with a dedicated crimp die. Mine happens to be a Lee Factory Crimp die. I also flare the case mouth a little more with lead than I do with jacketed.
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Posted: 8/3/2012 8:05:15 PM
When using lead bullets, even if I flare the case excessively, I still get a small shaving if I crimp and seat in one step. Seating and flaring in separate steps solves the issue.
Now, a bit more flare is a good idea when loading lead compared to jacketed, but even then, seat and crimp at different stations. |
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Posted: 8/4/2012 12:00:50 AM
Originally Posted By lonewolf223: I've got a bad batch of these and would like input from experienced handloaders of 45 ACP. Do I have to crimp at station 4 of Dillon 550-B? (Only) Yes, it's what station 4 is meant for. I've been crimping at Station #3, but have been getting shaving of lead that causes headaches. Seat bullet at station 3, crimp on 4. Should I bell-mouth more at Station#2? Yes it sounds like you may need to. Can I crimp at Station#4 with a Lee FCD??? Yes Any ideas????? Thanks! 
Left sized case, center belled case, right belled case with a bullet on top.
Adjust your powder funnel until your bell looks like this.
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Posted: 8/4/2012 10:03:27 AM
[Last Edit: 8/4/2012 10:03:58 AM by SBR7_11]
3 ––> Seat ONLY –– dont want any disturbance of bell while bullet on move into the case
4 ––> Crimp 4 –– no that bullet is correct position, we can remove the belling at case mouth |
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Posted: 8/4/2012 12:30:46 PM
With lead I always seat and crimp in seperate operations.
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Posted: 8/4/2012 3:07:49 PM
Throw away the Lee Carbide Factory Crimp Die! That actually sizes the bullets, and can be a source of problems with hard cast lead, plated, and swaged bullets; not so much a problem with jacketed bullets. Use a regular taper crimp die! Measure at the case mouth with seated bullet and you should have a ready between 0.469-.0471 this will vary with the case wall thickness as it varies brand to brand. Check your bullets for diameter. Lead and Swaged bullets should be 0.452" whereas jacketed should be 0.451. Most case bullets these days are bevel based. So your case mouth flare should be enough to allow the bullet to enter, you might need to ride the bullet up until the bullet is engulfed by the seater die.
I strongly am of the belief the seating is one step, and that crimping should be another step. The 45cal 200gr LSWC H&G 68 Clone is probably the most forgiving bullet to load in 45ACP. A COAL of 1.250 should have just the width of nickel (5 cents) above the case mouth. Too long and the bearing surface of the bullet can engage the lands of the bbl and cause problems. |
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Posted: 8/5/2012 12:16:36 AM
The Lee FCD, some of us have good results with them, others don't like them.
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Posted: 8/5/2012 1:25:47 AM
Originally Posted By rn22723:
Throw away the Lee Carbide Factory Crimp Die! That actually sizes the bullets, and can be a source of problems with hard cast lead, plated, and swaged bullets; not so much a problem with jacketed bullets. Use a regular taper crimp die! Measure at the case mouth with seated bullet and you should have a ready between 0.469-.0471 this will vary with the case wall thickness as it varies brand to brand. Check your bullets for diameter. Lead and Swaged bullets should be 0.452" whereas jacketed should be 0.451. Most case bullets these days are bevel based. So your case mouth flare should be enough to allow the bullet to enter, you might need to ride the bullet up until the bullet is engulfed by the seater die. I strongly am of the belief the seating is one step, and that crimping should be another step. The 45cal 200gr LSWC H&G 68 Clone is probably the most forgiving bullet to load in 45ACP. A COAL of 1.250 should have just the width of nickel (5 cents) above the case mouth. Too long and the bearing surface of the bullet can engage the lands of the bbl and cause problems. ^^^This. Always use a taper crimp on a 45 Auto |
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Posted: 8/5/2012 7:51:44 PM
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For those of you new to reloading. There isn't a right or wrong way of crimping.
The only hard, fast rule is cartridge must feed in order to fire. I use three methods of seating and crimping. 1.) Seat and crimp in one operation. 2.) Seat with seater die, crimp with crimp die. 3.) Seat with seater and crimp with FCD. For those who claim FCD causes leading. This is debated in every reloading forum on the net. Popular discent says if you have leading issues, switch to slower burning powder. Almost all who advocate seat with seater die and crimp with taper crimp sort their brass and adjust crimp to wall thickness. This sometimes swages .452 lead with thick walled brass. If using mixed brass and .452 lead you will find FCD needed for 100% feed ability. note. My most accurate .45acp load seats and crimps in one operation. Originally Posted By ggibbs:
Originally Posted By rn22723:
Throw away the Lee Carbide Factory Crimp Die! That actually sizes the bullets, and can be a source of problems with hard cast lead, plated, and swaged bullets; not so much a problem with jacketed bullets. Use a regular taper crimp die! Measure at the case mouth with seated bullet and you should have a ready between 0.469-.0471 this will vary with the case wall thickness as it varies brand to brand. Check your bullets for diameter. Lead and Swaged bullets should be 0.452" whereas jacketed should be 0.451. Most case bullets these days are bevel based. So your case mouth flare should be enough to allow the bullet to enter, you might need to ride the bullet up until the bullet is engulfed by the seater die. I strongly am of the belief the seating is one step, and that crimping should be another step. The 45cal 200gr LSWC H&G 68 Clone is probably the most forgiving bullet to load in 45ACP. A COAL of 1.250 should have just the width of nickel (5 cents) above the case mouth. Too long and the bearing surface of the bullet can engage the lands of the bbl and cause problems. ^^^This. Always use a taper crimp on a 45 Auto |
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Posted: 8/6/2012 7:37:59 PM
OK, so I can back-off my RCBS seat and crimp die on Station #3 (It's a seater and crimp in one)
and make sure that there's absolutely no shaving of lead there. THEN, the Lee FCD in Station #4 can be set to fully remove the bell and put a light taper crimp on the casemouth. 1.250" OAL, really???? Thanks! |
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Posted: 8/6/2012 8:19:05 PM
Originally Posted By lonewolf223: 1.250" OAL, really???? That number will ultimately depend on your particular barrel. The sweet spot for 3 of my 1911's is 1.250" or shorter, the sweet spot for a Kart NM barreled one is 1.230". I load them to 1.220" to ensure they'll feed in all 4 of the pistols. Start by loading long, then work shorter until you get to something that feeds well. |
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Posted: 8/6/2012 8:30:07 PM
[Last Edit: 8/6/2012 8:32:34 PM by SBR7_11]
Originally Posted By lonewolf223:
OK, so I can back-off my RCBS seat and crimp die on Station #3 (It's a seater and crimp in one) and make sure that there's absolutely no shaving of lead there. THEN, the Lee FCD in Station #4 can be set to fully remove the bell and put a light taper crimp on the casemouth. As noted previously, seat the bullet, remove flare/crimp at next station 1.250" OAL, really???? SWC,, general number for the H&G 68 type bullet... BE MORE AWARE of how much drive band is actually sticking out the front of the case mouth,, since drive band on lead bullet to case mouth placement will dictate your OAL more than any written manual.. With the H&G 68 type, generally a credit card thickness of drive band beyond case mouth is acceptable. Thanks! With my lead (RCBS 124 RN 9mm,, 45-201SWC, and 45-230RN) I load via drive band placement. My 45/201 SWC have a shorter fatter nose than the H&G 68, so OAL length is shorter than what you would run. 
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Posted: 8/7/2012 2:39:13 AM
Originally Posted By lonewolf223: OK, so I can back-off my RCBS seat and crimp die on Station #3 (It's a seater and crimp in one) and make sure that there's absolutely no shaving of lead there. THEN, the Lee FCD in Station #4 can be set to fully remove the bell and put a light taper crimp on the casemouth. 1.250" OAL, really???? Thanks! Yes, yes, yes. |
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