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Posted: 7/27/2012 7:54:04 PM
Originally Posted By ShannonD:
Originally Posted By 1911smith:
Never saw a need for small base. Good case lube I thinks important. My semi-auto feeds plenty fine with both uppers. One upper with ER Shaw barrel doesn't exactly have what I call match tight but it ain't Colt loose either. Annealing shouldn't be overlooked or practice replaced with small base dies. Originally Posted By ShannonD:
If you are wanting sound function for a automatic rifle, my opinion is RCBS small base dies. I use them regularly now and have brass on the 4th firing and I can't tell they hurt a damn thing on case life. A good small base set will help you with all that sloppy range brass you pick up for a good ole resizing too. I like my set. Shannon Not sure where you are going there 1911, in practice. What I am saying is that I traditionally use range brass that has usually been fired in Bubbas wore out, sloppy etc chamber. It's a proven fact that small base dies can help in sizing this a lil better. I had issues where the case head just was not getting sized down enough for my gun. Went and tried a small base set and the angels sang. As for your point I agree. Some don't need them, but some might. It is what is working for me with the brass I find. For brass fired in your own chamber, I totally agree small base is not the way to go. Shannon I'll second that small base dies are not necessary. I used the rcbs die and brass stuck like crazy. When I compared the brass out of out of the small base die to the brass out of a properly adjusted lee die they both fell in and out of the case guage with ease. |
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Posted: 7/27/2012 8:48:19 PM
American made brass is normally on the small side of limits for base diameter, in 45 years of reloading I have NEVER seen a reason to use small base dies.
(unless you like having case head separations by over resizing the base of the case) |
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Posted: 7/27/2012 9:32:57 PM
Over 7000 and another 1000 on the bench waiting through my lee deluxe carbide set with factory crimp. No problems... Just works great for not a lot of dough.
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Posted: 7/27/2012 10:05:31 PM
[Last Edit: 7/27/2012 10:09:17 PM by 1911smith]
Shannon,
Not trying to talk you out of the practice of small base. I just happen to not agree. I have been burdened with bubba AK, 5.56 brass. Switched to Imperial Sizing Wax, problem solved. I'm hitting the crustier reloading sites these days. There's some old timers give new reloaders an earfull about small base dies. You guys have no idea how good you have it here. Quality of assistance is second to none. Small base it is said, is a solution to a non-existing problem and masks poor reloading skills. That's what I read in a post offsite. 
Originally Posted By ShannonD:
Originally Posted By 1911smith:
Never saw a need for small base. Good case lube I thinks important. My semi-auto feeds plenty fine with both uppers. One upper with ER Shaw barrel doesn't exactly have what I call match tight but it ain't Colt loose either. Annealing shouldn't be overlooked or practice replaced with small base dies. Originally Posted By ShannonD:
If you are wanting sound function for a automatic rifle, my opinion is RCBS small base dies. I use them regularly now and have brass on the 4th firing and I can't tell they hurt a damn thing on case life. A good small base set will help you with all that sloppy range brass you pick up for a good ole resizing too. I like my set. Shannon Not sure where you are going there 1911, in practice. What I am saying is that I traditionally use range brass that has usually been fired in Bubbas wore out, sloppy etc chamber. It's a proven fact that small base dies can help in sizing this a lil better. I had issues where the case head just was not getting sized down enough for my gun. Went and tried a small base set and the angels sang. As for your point I agree. Some don't need them, but some might. It is what is working for me with the brass I find. For brass fired in your own chamber, I totally agree small base is not the way to go. Shannon |
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Posted: 7/27/2012 10:29:11 PM
Originally Posted By 1911smith:
Shannon, Not trying to talk you out of the practice of small base. I just happen to not agree. I have been burdened with bubba AK, 5.56 brass. Switched to Imperial Sizing Wax, problem solved. I'm hitting the crustier reloading sites these days. There's some old timers give new reloaders an earfull about small base dies. You guys have no idea how good you have it here. Quality of assistance is second to none. Small base it is said, is a solution to a non-existing problem and masks poor reloading skills. That's what I read in a post offsite.
Originally Posted By ShannonD:
Originally Posted By 1911smith:
Never saw a need for small base. Good case lube I thinks important. My semi-auto feeds plenty fine with both uppers. One upper with ER Shaw barrel doesn't exactly have what I call match tight but it ain't Colt loose either. Annealing shouldn't be overlooked or practice replaced with small base dies. Originally Posted By ShannonD:
If you are wanting sound function for a automatic rifle, my opinion is RCBS small base dies. I use them regularly now and have brass on the 4th firing and I can't tell they hurt a damn thing on case life. A good small base set will help you with all that sloppy range brass you pick up for a good ole resizing too. I like my set. Shannon Not sure where you are going there 1911, in practice. What I am saying is that I traditionally use range brass that has usually been fired in Bubbas wore out, sloppy etc chamber. It's a proven fact that small base dies can help in sizing this a lil better. I had issues where the case head just was not getting sized down enough for my gun. Went and tried a small base set and the angels sang. As for your point I agree. Some don't need them, but some might. It is what is working for me with the brass I find. For brass fired in your own chamber, I totally agree small base is not the way to go. Shannon Totally agree. If your brass is too tight, your die is not adjusted properly. Never had issues with my reloads in many ARs. Always read small base die was for rifles whose chambers were cut improperly, thus resulting in a tight fit. For regular AR certainly not needed to get smooth feeding rounds. |
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Posted: 7/27/2012 10:35:23 PM
No offense taken 1911, just sharing what works for me with my rifle. I simply agree with you to an extent. But, I have run across a lot of brass at my range that has the bottom of the case head swollen. My full length die set for some reason, just doesn't quite get there, tried everything I know to do. Bought my small base set, problem solved. Imperial is great and I do use it as well. 20 years of reloading and I never had to use a small base set either. In this one case though it worked. Odd indeed. I'll turn things back over to the OP for further discussion on great dies for his rifle.
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Posted: 7/27/2012 10:47:56 PM
[Last Edit: 7/27/2012 10:51:20 PM by 1911smith]
I would leave it there, except for those reading.
Wanting to better understand. I've been exactly where you're at with blown out brass, severely blown out at base. So much so, the only lube that would work was Imperial and I had to size three to four times to chamber gage. Most fellas will say this brass is unsafe. Dillon sizer is too wide at base to size this type .223 brass. |
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Posted: 7/27/2012 10:51:14 PM
Originally Posted By ShannonD:
No offense taken 1911, just sharing what works for me with my rifle. I simply agree with you to an extent. But, I have run across a lot of brass at my range that has the bottom of the case head swollen. My full length die set for some reason, just doesn't quite get there, tried everything I know to do. Bought my small base set, problem solved. Imperial is great and I do use it as well. 20 years of reloading and I never had to use a small base set either. In this one case though it worked. Odd indeed. I'll turn things back over to the OP for further discussion on great dies for his rifle. Shannon I think we may be hitting on something here as far as your m&p is concerned. I'd be interested to see how your smith headspaces and measures up with specs. fortunately you reload and you can make your ammo work in it. seems as though they cut a real tight chamber in it.... but we're on a tangent here so OP get the rcbs x die and only trim your brass once till it splits |
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