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Posted: 4/29/2012 4:47:11 PM
[Last Edit: 5/3/2012 1:59:15 AM by 808state]
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT After seeing all the pics couldn't help myself, I had to take a stab at building one. It's also given me an excuse to buy the drill press I've always wanted and to break out the Arc welder. It's always nice to have a trusty shop assistant, even f he doesn't have opposable thumbs. Basic frame, based off of BiggDawg's design. I'm going to make a few modifications in design as I go along.
Wanted to raise the pillow bearings up a bit to clear larger diameter pulleys. I still need to weld a couple of uprights to the top bar to strengthen the middle section.
Cross pieces for the pillow bearings. I'll mark out the holes, drill then weld the bolts on to the bottom, then weld the piece itself to the frame.
My trusty assistant Bogey checking the progress.
I need to cut the rubber feet down.
Mock up with the bearings.
Finished all the welding on the frame and rubber feet have been cut to size. Sprayed on a few coats of Rustoleum Hammered Black which really helps to hide most imperfections.
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Posted: 4/29/2012 9:23:35 PM
Looks good so far !
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Posted: 4/29/2012 9:25:57 PM
I've always wished I were more handy so I can do things like that. Unfortunately, a hacksaw and a power drill thereabout sums up my mechanical skills
Lookin good though! Tag for updates |
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Posted: 4/29/2012 10:08:32 PM
In on another WTBT, wet tumbler build thread.
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Posted: 4/29/2012 11:12:24 PM
nice, I'm ready to build my own frame
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Posted: 4/30/2012 12:35:49 AM
where are you guys getting your pillowblock bearings out a cheap price? Everywhere I look has them for about $10-11 a piece plus shipping. That's $40+ for bearings alone not counting a motor that's about $80-110. Then the frame, bolts, and 1/2' rails, hose, etc is around another $30-40. That right there is $180 without the pvc pipe and fittings. Oh yeah and the ss is now around $6 a pound, so another $40 for that including the shipping.
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Posted: 4/30/2012 1:45:26 AM
I got my 4 from here, free shipping!
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Posted: 4/30/2012 8:04:52 AM
Originally Posted By countrygunner:
where are you guys getting your pillowblock bearings out a cheap price? Everywhere I look has them for about $10-11 a piece plus shipping. That's $40+ for bearings alone not counting a motor that's about $80-110. Then the frame, bolts, and 1/2' rails, hose, etc is around another $30-40. That right there is $180 without the pvc pipe and fittings. Oh yeah and the ss is now around $6 a pound, so another $40 for that including the shipping. I personally didn't build mine to really save money rather have more capacity. if you only want to tumble 3-5lbs of brass at a time buy a thumler. if you want to have something that will last a great deal longer than a thumler and tumble 4 times as much build your own. and it is cheaper in the long run if you build one that can tumble 15lbs of cases at a time that is like 3 thumlers take 180 for a thumler times 3 and you are saving a bunch on building your own. plus you have the satisfaction of building it yourself. |
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Posted: 4/30/2012 11:36:14 AM
Did you use 1/2"
What did you use for shafts and pulleys?
I've already got my motor, just looking for the rest. |
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Posted: 4/30/2012 12:28:32 PM
Yes I got the 1/2" pillow bearings and intend on using 1/2" solid steel bar stock. Initially I won't be running huge amounts of brass so I plan on building a 4"x20" tumbler. I believe the end caps will give me a final OD of 5". Using 5" and 1/2" ID 5/8" OD rubber hose on the shafts, I calculate a 2" drive pulley with a 6" shaft pulley will get me a final drum speed of 78 RPM.
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Posted: 4/30/2012 12:41:49 PM
Originally Posted By BIGGDAWG:
plus you have the satisfaction of building it yourself. I mainly did it for this reason. Plus being where I am, final cost on a commercial product after shipping is really expensive. For that amount of money, I can build something that's sturdier than stamped and folded steel. Having built it, I know if anything should break I can fix it with a quick run to the scrap yard or hardware store. |
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Posted: 4/30/2012 11:55:32 PM
Update in the OP!
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Posted: 5/3/2012 1:28:36 AM
Here's the motor I intend to use. 1/4hp 1750rpm capacitor start. Notice the problem? Yep no motor mount!
I had some 1/4" square stock lying around so I got to work and came up with this
Here's the mock up, I just need to fab a rear support so all the weight isn't held up by the front bracket ![]() |
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Posted: 5/3/2012 1:59:36 AM
Looks like a HVAC motor.
Nice mount. |
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Posted: 5/3/2012 2:05:30 AM
Originally Posted By dryflash3:
Looks like a HVAC motor. Nice mount. Thanks! And yes I believe it did come from some sort of blower system. I may need to find a fan to cool it but I'm having the hardest time finding one thats about 3-3.5" in diameter with a 0.5" bore. |
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Posted: 5/3/2012 2:18:23 AM
[Last Edit: 5/3/2012 2:19:10 AM by TZapp]
Originally Posted By 808state:
Originally Posted By dryflash3:
Looks like a HVAC motor. Nice mount. Thanks! And yes I believe it did come from some sort of blower system. I may need to find a fan to cool it but I'm having the hardest time finding one thats about 3-3.5" in diameter with a 0.5" bore. You could take a piece of plate steel and bend it 90 degrees and add gussets to stiffen. Then drill the 4 holes for the motor bolts then one larger hole for the shaft and center of the motor to go through. Maybe you have already considered this, but i thought i would throw it out there. If it isnt clear what im talking about i could draw it up for you. Looks really nice!! |
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Posted: 5/3/2012 2:31:41 AM
Yeah I considered using plate steel but had no way of making the bend . Also, if i end up needing to cool the motor the plate type mount would obstruct the airflow.
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Posted: 5/3/2012 2:44:10 AM
[Last Edit: 5/3/2012 2:46:47 AM by TZapp]
Originally Posted By 808state:
Yeah I considered using plate steel but had no way of making the bend . Also, if i end up needing to cool the motor the plate type mount would obstruct the airflow. With a fan motor, they usually use the fan mounted on the shaft to cool it
ETA: A local machine shop with a metal break would likely bend it for free. Your mounting idea isnt lacking. It would work well, but the plate steel would give more stability. |
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Posted: 5/3/2012 6:34:01 AM
[Last Edit: 5/3/2012 6:37:28 AM by kaos]
Originally Posted By TZapp: A thought to add:Originally Posted By 808state: Yeah I considered using plate steel but had no way of making the bend . Also, if i end up needing to cool the motor the plate type mount would obstruct the airflow. With a fan motor, they usually use the fan mounted on the shaft to cool it ![]() ETA: A local machine shop with a metal break would likely bend it for free. Your mounting idea isnt lacking. It would work well, but the plate steel would give more stability. I dunno what the other side of the motor looks like, there's no view in the pix, but if there are no air vents in the motor housing - what's a fan gonna do? There's no flow-through, and just blowing air on a sheet-metal motor housing like that without at least adding cooling fins to blow across isn't going to give as much payback. ETA: I added a CPU cooling fin array from an old Intel unit onto the top of a Dillon RT-1200 trimmer, and this is a similar config. Other than that, it's just an all-around-nice-job. |
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Posted: 5/3/2012 6:42:22 AM
Great looking project!
Watch your lab assistant when you weld, local guy had a dog that went blind because he didn't realize until too late that the dog didn't have eye protection. |
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Posted: 5/3/2012 8:22:06 AM
Very nice work! Looking forward to seeing the completed unit.
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Posted: 5/3/2012 9:55:46 AM
It is looking like a really nice build.
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Posted: 5/3/2012 12:13:35 PM
What an awesome puppy.
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Posted: 5/3/2012 12:42:57 PM
Originally Posted By olivers_AR:
Great looking project! Watch your lab assistant when you weld, local guy had a dog that went blind because he didn't realize until too late that the dog didn't have eye protection. |
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Posted: 5/3/2012 3:22:55 PM
[Last Edit: 5/3/2012 3:31:48 PM by GWhis]
Super job so far!!....more than a bit jealous! I'm getting real close to being sucked in on this wet/stainless tumbling movement. I even LOVE the idea of yet another "project" to start. I'm beginning to think I like building homemade reloading tools nearly as much as reloading ammo!
My current nealy-finished project is a case feeder for my RCBS Pro 2000 (will be posting that project soon). Then I can either start getting serious about making my component stash small.......or start another project..... like a wet tumbler. But I have a dilemma.
My space, while adequate, is not limitless and a homemade tumbler like yours has a pretty good sized footprint...What's the WxL on your rectangle?? I'll have to do some serious changing in my lifestyle and space. Thumler's factory unit appears smaller. On the other hand, the Thumler unit's capacity is smallish. I'm tempted to just buy one....but I know d..mn well I'm not going to be satisfied with capacity.....so what's a man to do??? Another factor is the tumbling "barrel." I'm not real satisfied with ANY of the them yet. Waterproofing seems to be a problem for some, and even Thumler's is kind of a pain to have to bolt and unbolt it.......a bit slow.
And then there's cost? I realize that you won't be factoring in your time on that, but that 1/2" shafted 1/4 horse motor, plus the square tubing, plus the pillow blocks, and the pullies ain't exactly cheap. Then you got whatever you build your barrel out of. Large sized PVC is pretty pricy unless you can find a free source of throwaway pieces. I'm still looking for other possible options there. Anyway, good look with this very cool adventure! Will be watching! Hmmmm, wonder what the possibilities would be, mounting the unit end-wise to a wall....hinged to it. The idea being to drop it against the wall when not in use. ![]() |
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Posted: 5/7/2012 12:43:54 AM
[Last Edit: 5/7/2012 1:03:27 AM by 808state]
The motor as Dryflash pointed out is an HVAC motor. Typically they are mounted in the airstream and rely on the airstream for cooling. A fan mounted on the shaft behind the pulley blowing air back into the motor should provide sufficient cooling. Finding a fan that's has the correct diameter and shaft bore is the challenge. Ideally I should've used a TEFC motor like the DIY ball mill pyrotechnic guys use. If I find one I'll replace this motor but I'll just run it for now since it works and PSC motors are one of the more efficient motor types.
Originally Posted By GWhis:
My space, while adequate, is not limitless and a homemade tumbler like yours has a pretty good sized footprint...What's the WxL on your rectangle?? dimensions are 24" long and 12" wide at the left side and 20" wide at the right with the platform. So basically I have an 8" wide platform for mounting the motor and the switch. I got a little more work done and finished the rear motor mount. When bolted to the platform this thing isn't going anywhere.
I also got the wood deck done, all the acreage to the rear of the motor is for a 1 gang switch box that will eventually house an electronic timer.
I decided to spend the extra money and go with Power Twist for the belt drive, that way I can make custom length belts for the secondary and drive pulleys.
Here's the mockup, still need to buy the hardware to bolt everything down. Also have to trim the shafts a little more and find some 1/2" heater hose which seems to be scarce on Maui.
A short vid of it in action. Seems a little noisy but I think that's mostly due to it not being bolted down and also resting on a piece of plyboard. |
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