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Posted: 10/24/2010 11:22:37 PM
Just getting started, friends...

I honestly *don't* know which powder to choose...

H335 ?-?

Accurate 2230 ?-?

Does it matter ?-?

I have never reloaded before, but I am getting started this winter, just for a hobby, just for fun... I don't need anything fast/high pressure... Just mid-level loads...

I reloaded for my first time a couple weeks ago with my Brother-in-law in Idaho, and actually had quite a good/fun time... We reloaded for his .270, and had a blast (literally)... I only own .223/5.56, so that is what I am going to get started in...
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Posted: 10/24/2010 11:27:10 PM
I've had great luck with Varget, and many others here have too. There is also allot of members here who love Ramshot Tac. Stay subscribed to your post, and you will get a boatload of Ideas pretty soon.
Varget seems to be a good all weather powder. Someone here correct me if I'm wrong?
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Posted: 10/24/2010 11:31:18 PM
Originally Posted By gman556:
I've had great luck with Varget, and many others here have too. There is also allot of members here who love Ramshot Tac. Stay subscribed to your post, and you will get a boatload of Ideas pretty soon.
Varget seems to be a good all weather powder. Someone here correct me if I'm wrong?


Thanks. Yes, I am listening...
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Posted: 10/24/2010 11:38:09 PM
If your not shooting heavy match bullets you might like Benchmark, I love Benchmark for 50-60gr loads since it's very accurate and easy to meter from a powder measure.

If you might load some heavier bullets also RE-15 would be a great choice that would cover from 50gr all the way up to 80gr VLD's and also meters well(comparable to Varget but meters much better).
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Posted: 10/24/2010 11:38:30 PM
The best powders to start with are "ball" powders, called that because of their shape. They measure very well. Easy to throw accurate charges.

Tac, BLC2, AA-2230, and H-335, ball powders, listed in my order of preference.

Extruded powders like Varget are great for precession loads, but can be difficult for a beginner to throw from a powder measure.

Other extruded powders suitable for 223 are, IMR-4895, IMR-3031, Re-15, and IMR-8208 XBR my favorite of this group.
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Posted: 10/25/2010 12:54:13 AM
My AR loves it when I use BLC2
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Posted: 10/25/2010 1:13:24 AM
Originally Posted By I8asquirrel:
My AR loves it when I use BLC2


same with mine, it loves 60gr vmax's over BLC-2
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Posted: 10/25/2010 1:16:34 AM
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The burn rate of your gunpowder choice should be matched to the bullet weight you want to shoot. The way to discover what this means is by sitting down with load tables and paying attention to which gunpowders are used with each range of bullet weights. As you move from light to heavy, you'll notice a shift in the gunpowders listed with each bullet, with considerable overlap across weights.

There is no best gunpowder, everything we have to choose from is great, but there are better choices for one reason or another. Metering through a measure is a pretty good reason, and the ball powders meter best, but the fine extruded powders meter almost as well, so sometimes there is no clear preference.

Sometimes we have to choose a gunpowder because it's available locally. Which brings me to another point. When you start, buy one pound containers until you decide which gunpowder you want to settle on.

I'm a fan of Reloder 15 for bullets ranging from 52 grains weight to 80 grains. This one is a little slow for the 52 grain bullets, but it fills the case and just works great anyway, and still produces over 3200 fps in my 24 inch barreled gun. That's pretty fast.

H335, BL-C(2), W748, andTAC are all ball powders that will work for you. Reloder 15, H4895, IMR 4895, and Varget are extruded powders that work. There are probably another 8 that I could name.

What that all means is that you won't screw up by simply picking one. You might find out later you like something else better, but it will be for relatively minor reasons.




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Posted: 10/25/2010 1:53:00 AM
H-335 is a ball powder and meters quite well. I use it because I can always find it, and it is inexpensive.
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Posted: 10/25/2010 2:20:32 AM
I am still using my huge stash of cannister grade AA2300 that I bought a few years ago for less than $45 an 8# keg shipped and free hazmat,runs nice and very accurate
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Posted: 10/25/2010 4:22:14 AM
Thanks, everyone...
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Posted: 10/25/2010 8:32:43 AM
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Originally Posted By xd-shawn:
Originally Posted By I8asquirrel:
My AR loves it when I use BLC2


same with mine, it loves 60gr vmax's over BLC-2


Same here, though it likes 22.5gr of H322 just as much

60gr VMax or 60gr Nosler BT's
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Posted: 10/25/2010 11:20:31 PM
TAC does well with 55gr and 77gr for me. Plus it's pretty cheap.
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Posted: 10/26/2010 5:38:05 AM
Varget/TAC/H322 (as I use it for 6.8)

So many good powders.

Even RE7 is supposed to be good and is also good for 6.8
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Posted: 10/26/2010 11:02:21 AM
Originally Posted By AeroE:
The burn rate of your gunpowder choice should be matched to the bullet weight you want to shoot. The way to discover what this means is by sitting down with load tables and paying attention to which gunpowders are used with each range of bullet weights. As you move from light to heavy, you'll notice a shift in the gunpowders listed with each bullet, with considerable overlap across weights.

There is no best gunpowder, everything we have to choose from is great, but there are better choices for one reason or another. Metering through a measure is a pretty good reason, and the ball powders meter best, but the fine extruded powders meter almost as well, so sometimes there is no clear preference.

Sometimes we have to choose a gunpowder because it's available locally. Which brings me to another point. When you start, buy one pound containers until you decide which gunpowder you want to settle on.

I'm a fan of Reloder 15 for bullets ranging from 52 grains weight to 80 grains. This one is a little slow for the 52 grain bullets, but it fills the case and just works great anyway, and still produces over 3200 fps in my 24 inch barreled gun. That's pretty fast.

H335, BL-C(2), W748, andTAC are all ball powders that will work for you. Reloder 15, H4895, IMR 4895, and Varget are extruded powders that work. There are probably another 8 that I could name.

What that all means is that you won't screw up by simply picking one. You might find out later you like something else better, but it will be for relatively minor reasons.



How much R15 are you using under the lighter bullets? Alliant publishes no load data for bullets lass than 62 grains that I could find. While that certainly doesnt exclude its use in lighter bullets did you just take the 62 grain load and add 10% to it for a 55?
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Posted: 10/26/2010 11:25:24 AM
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Originally Posted By Specop_007:
Originally Posted By AeroE:
The burn rate of your gunpowder choice should be matched to the bullet weight you want to shoot. The way to discover what this means is by sitting down with load tables and paying attention to which gunpowders are used with each range of bullet weights. As you move from light to heavy, you'll notice a shift in the gunpowders listed with each bullet, with considerable overlap across weights.

There is no best gunpowder, everything we have to choose from is great, but there are better choices for one reason or another. Metering through a measure is a pretty good reason, and the ball powders meter best, but the fine extruded powders meter almost as well, so sometimes there is no clear preference.

Sometimes we have to choose a gunpowder because it's available locally. Which brings me to another point. When you start, buy one pound containers until you decide which gunpowder you want to settle on.

I'm a fan of Reloder 15 for bullets ranging from 52 grains weight to 80 grains. This one is a little slow for the 52 grain bullets, but it fills the case and just works great anyway, and still produces over 3200 fps in my 24 inch barreled gun. That's pretty fast.

H335, BL-C(2), W748, andTAC are all ball powders that will work for you. Reloder 15, H4895, IMR 4895, and Varget are extruded powders that work. There are probably another 8 that I could name.

What that all means is that you won't screw up by simply picking one. You might find out later you like something else better, but it will be for relatively minor reasons.



How much R15 are you using under the lighter bullets? Alliant publishes no load data for bullets lass than 62 grains that I could find. While that certainly doesnt exclude its use in lighter bullets did you just take the 62 grain load and add 10% to it for a 55?


Here's the load for 52 grain MK's I have posted here ad nauseum.

Winchester cases
Remington 7 1/2 primers
Sierra 52 grain MatchKings
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27.0 to 27.2 grains of Reloder 15.
Loaded to 2.25 inches COAL.

27.0 grains of RE-15 fills the case to the bottom of the neck. 27.4 grains fills the case to the mouth; this was my original load, but the case is so full that it's almost impossible to avoid spilling powder from the load block to the shell holder, so I backed down to leave a little room. Mostly I load 27.0 grains. The 27.4 grain charge requires very good neck tension to prevent pushing the bullet out of the case.

This gunpowder is very slow for this bullet and I found that 26.8 grains is so little that the chamber is not sealed well.

I started using this load when I had the naive notion of loading my rifles with one gunpowder. I wanted a load for shooting 100 yard reduced course Highpower matches, I had bullets bought from the seconds barrel at Sierra, gunpowder I was using for my full distance loads, and so this load followed naturally.


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Posted: 10/26/2010 11:26:32 AM
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Originally Posted By AeroE:

Here's the load for 52 grain MK's I have posted here ad nauseum.

Winchester cases
Remington 7 1/2 primers
Sierra 52 grain MatchKings
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27.0 to 27.2 grains of Reloder 15.
Loaded to 2.25 inches COAL.

27.0 grains of RE-15 fills the case to the bottom of the neck. 27.4 grains fills the case to the mouth; this was my original load, but the case is so full that it's almost impossible to avoid spilling powder from the load block to the shell holder, so I backed down to leave a little room. Mostly I load 27.0 grains. The 27.4 grain charge requires very good neck tension to prevent pushing the bullet out of the case.

This gunpowder is very slow for this bullet and I found that 26.8 grains is so little that the chamber is not sealed well.



Sad thing of that is I have that load scribbled down on a piece of paper on my bench somewhere.

Ok, my excuse is I'm not posting from my bench.

Too many irons in the fire here lately.
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Posted: 10/26/2010 11:36:45 AM
#1 H335
#2 RAMSHOT TAC