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Posted: 8/23/2010 11:58:49 PM EST
Hey gang. I wanted to show you something that they have been talking about over at CastBoolets for a while. I do not intend to take any credit for coming up with this, just wanted to show you a picture of some .40 S&W projectiles I made from 9mm brass and a cast bullet. The core is made from a LEE 125gr cast bullet, inserted upside down in the belled 9mm case. The swaging is done using a CH4D die that is modified by a guy that goes by BT Sniper over at Cast Bullets. The die is $150 and I used a Lyman Crusher II press to do the swaging.

Anyway, thought you guys might be interested in this facet of casting/swaging/reloading.

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Posted: 8/24/2010 12:01:35 AM EST
I seriously need to learn how to do this stuff...

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Posted: 8/24/2010 12:03:57 AM EST
pretty cool, how do they shoot?
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Posted: 8/24/2010 12:05:56 AM EST
Not sure what the point is, but that's cool as hell.
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Posted: 8/24/2010 12:10:25 AM EST
Originally Posted By Claybrook:
Not sure what the point is, but that's cool as hell.


I'd think they'd be quite a bit cheaper to reload than buying JHP bullets.
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Posted: 8/24/2010 12:12:54 AM EST
Neat. I knew some people made bullets for .223 Rem out of .22 LR cases + lead wire by a similar process, but hadn't seen it done for anything larger.

What about the fact that a 9mm case is significantly smaller than .400" diameter, both at the rim and farther up the case? The diagram in my Lee reloading manual shows a case diameter of 0.391" at the web, just forward of the extractor groove.

Of course, those are dimensions for new, unfired 9mm cases. Does 9mm brass expand enough when fired to make up the difference? I know my 10mm brass expands near the web, going from 0.420-0.421" on new brass to near 0.429" after the first firing. Sizing gets it back down to about 0.425". I don't reload 9mm, so I don't know the numbers for it.
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Posted: 8/24/2010 12:14:29 AM EST
Seen this before, but always amazed at how cool it is that this stuff can be done.
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Posted: 8/24/2010 12:49:51 AM EST
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Originally Posted By MTNmyMag:
pretty cool, how do they shoot?


Not sure how they shoot. I just got my die and have only made a few, and have not gotten a chance to load any yet. However, the guys over at the CastBoolits forum are pleased with the performance, even if it is only a plinking round. Here is a picture posted by BT Sniper that shows how they expand in wet newspaper.


Photo by BT Sniper - He says they retained 100% of their weight.

Originally Posted By Claybrook:
Not sure what the point is, but that's cool as hell.


It costs a few cents in raw materials (not counting equipment) to make your own. Buying jacketed hollow points costs considerably more. Plus it's fun, which has a value.

Originally Posted By Objekt:
What about the fact that a 9mm case is significantly smaller than .400" diameter, both at the rim and farther up the case? The diagram in my Lee reloading manual shows a case diameter of 0.391" at the web, just forward of the extractor groove.


When you swage the pressure causes the case to fill the cavity of the swaging die. So, you are actually using pressure to squash the case and make it swell. Plus the lead core is swelling inside the case from the hollow point tool going into it. For lack of a better way to describe it, it just works!


You can see there is enough pressure on the micrometer anvils to suspend the case with no support.

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Posted: 8/24/2010 12:54:55 AM EST
Can you imagine the chaos these would cause if used in a crime? CSI would go into a full tailspin with these bullets.
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Posted: 8/24/2010 12:57:07 AM EST
Sure looks like a lot of work.... How much time to swage brass and cast bullet to finished product
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Posted: 8/24/2010 1:01:31 AM EST
Originally Posted By 1911smith:
Sure looks like a lot of work.... How much time to swage brass and cast bullet to finished product


Well, you can cast bullets with a LEE 6-banger pretty darn fast. Takes 2-3 seconds to drop in the core and 3-4 seconds to swage the bullet. Put it this way, it would take me less time, start-to-finish, to make a few hundred of these than it would take me to make the money to buy them.

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Posted: 8/24/2010 1:11:34 AM EST
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Originally Posted By NoHarmNoFAL:
Can you imagine the chaos these would cause if used in a crime? CSI would go into a full tailspin with these bullets.


Crime lab on the phone with other crime lab... " yeah, the whole thing, case, bullet and all,where did the powder go, WTF? " BTW those look Bad Ass
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Posted: 8/24/2010 1:15:45 AM EST
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Assuming those pictures are yours and pictures are of your finished product, Purely from... I might be interested in doing some day. How much time to take a cast bullet and a piece of brass to swage together to finish. Curious. Looks like a lot of work and for all I know you might be working for a nickle an hour and all the water you can drink like me. If that;s the case it would take some time.
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Posted: 8/24/2010 1:39:42 AM EST
Would they swage out far enough for .45 bullets?
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Posted: 8/24/2010 1:43:02 AM EST
Originally Posted By ontheback:
Would they swage out far enough for .45 bullets?


No, but BT Sniper just made a set to make .45 bullets from .40 S&W cases.

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Posted: 8/24/2010 2:01:07 AM EST
Totally kewl.

When I get moved back into a place that allows me to reload, this will be on my list.
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Posted: 8/24/2010 8:28:10 AM EST
bt sniper makes the swage dies and parts to convert your rp to use them,pretty cool stuff
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Posted: 8/24/2010 8:40:55 AM EST
That is pretty cool.

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Posted: 8/24/2010 9:04:43 AM EST
Can he make a die to make a .32 into a 9mm?
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Posted: 8/24/2010 9:08:56 AM EST
Pretty cool. I don't reload for pistol calibers right now but when I do I might have to start making my own bullets like this.
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Posted: 8/24/2010 9:26:12 AM EST
so would this work with shot out 9mm (read: reloaded to much) or is this only for relatively new?
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Posted: 8/24/2010 9:38:52 AM EST
Originally Posted By jonblack:
Originally Posted By ontheback:
Would they swage out far enough for .45 bullets?


No, but BT Sniper just made a set to make .45 bullets from .40 S&W cases.

jonblack


ok, now I'm intertested, where's this at??
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Posted: 8/24/2010 9:47:16 AM EST
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Originally Posted By andr3w:
so would this work with shot out 9mm (read: reloaded to much) or is this only for relatively new?


This would be perfect for brass case berdan primed stuff and stuff that looks a little too bad to reload. I need to see if he can work this voodoo on 9mm to .410 bullets....
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Posted: 8/24/2010 9:57:01 AM EST
Pure lead for the core?
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Posted: 8/24/2010 9:59:47 AM EST
Originally Posted By Crowkiller:
Pure lead for the core?


Whatever you have handy.
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Posted: 8/24/2010 10:02:12 AM EST
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I just knew 9mm was worth something. Just didn't know for what until now. Finally, a worthwhile reason to pick up 9mm brass!

BTW, can't you just use lead wire instead of casting boolits first?
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