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Posted: 9/28/2009 5:26:25 AM EST
I need to move up to a progressive reloader.

I have been reloading for about 6 months on the rock chucker (about 1500 rds.) in .45 acp. and I spend way too much time pulling that single stage handle lol.

I`m hoping to get some input on which is a better press the Dillon XL 650 or the Hornady Lock-n-load ap .

While i`m on a budget they are both in my price range and will wait and get the auto case feeder at a later time.

I will mostly be reloading .45 acp

Thanks for any info which can help me decide on which press is best for me.
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Posted: 9/28/2009 5:27:55 AM EST
Well, the LnL AP has the 1,000 free bullets working in its favor.
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Posted: 9/28/2009 5:50:27 AM EST
Dillon. I have one and reload several calibers from 9mm to .45-70 on my 650.
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Posted: 9/28/2009 6:00:53 AM EST
I own a 650 w/casefeeder and I recommend it highly. I moved up from a 550B and haven't looked back. Dillon's No BS warranty is legendary and should you decide to sell, their presses hold their value better than any other brand. That said, there are those here who love their LnL AP's just as much.

It seems to me that you should find a place where you can actually check them out in person, cycle the presses, and decide which one suits your needs the best. However, don't even consider not getting the casefeeders with your presses. Save up your $$ for a month or two more and get the casefeeder with whichever you decide on.
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Posted: 9/28/2009 6:25:12 AM EST
This is a pretty good read

I got the LNL with case feeder. I highly recommend it.
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Posted: 9/28/2009 7:30:54 AM EST
After seeing how a 650 works and owning the Hornady LNL AP I will not be changing to a Dillon anytime soon. The Hornady doesn't have issues with a missing case throwing things out of wack. No case no problem with the Hornady LNL. It just holds the primer until a case is there to take it instead of spitting it out. It is almost nearly impossible to explode primers like you can in a 650. Also the powder dispensing is case activated and with the removable metering stems you can preset stems for specific charges or get a micrometer stem. Virtually everything involved with caliber conversions is cheaper.
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Posted: 9/28/2009 7:41:06 AM EST
Hornady all the way. I had a Dillon 650XL, and sold it for my Hornady LnL AP. Greatest reloading decision I made. I wrote a review, but you can make up your mind for yourself. I wish I could have taken pictures of a side-by-side comparison.

The only disadvantage I see is I saw a bit more variance in the powder drop with the LnL if I went really fast or really slow, versus the Dillon was more consistent if I moved the arm really quickly or slowly. I might be the only one, but I shouldn't be varying my speed when I reload anyway.

Get this for $25 shipped. Then the powder drop will flare the case, as on the Dillon, so you save a stage.
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Posted: 9/28/2009 7:56:22 AM EST
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I highly recommend buying the electric case feeder, and part number HRN050124. The metering insert for the powder drop allows you to easily go back to the exact setting you had for the last caliber or load you were working on, and then you get a lot closer to what you were at before, without having to figure out all over again, testing the drop a dozen times and making adjustments.

Also, grab a bag of 10 bushings too... cheap and make your life way easier for multiple calibers.

Plus all the dies, and plates for each caliber you would want. Then you'll need to buy the case feeder plates for whatever calibers you want to reload.
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Posted: 9/28/2009 10:26:16 AM EST
Originally Posted By river_rat:
After seeing how a 650 works and owning the Hornady LNL AP I will not be changing to a Dillon anytime soon. The Hornady doesn't have issues with a missing case throwing things out of wack. No case no problem with the Hornady LNL. It just holds the primer until a case is there to take it instead of spitting it out. It is almost nearly impossible to explode primers like you can in a 650. Also the powder dispensing is case activated and with the removable metering stems you can preset stems for specific charges or get a micrometer stem. Virtually everything involved with caliber conversions is cheaper.


The same thing can be said for the Lee Pro 1000.
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Posted: 9/29/2009 12:14:11 PM EST
I have a 20 year old Hornady Projector press, and love it and still use it. I recently bought the LNL press, and am awaiting the case feeder to show up soon. Hornadys customer service is as good as Dillons, I can also say the same for RCBS.
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Posted: 9/29/2009 4:40:03 PM EST
Thanks for the info everyone

I was pretty much set on getting the 650 until reading the posts here and some other reseach.

I picked up a Lock-n-load AP today from cabela`s for 399.00.

Cabela`s also had a special going on if you spend 400.00 they give you a 100.00 gift card. And i`ll send in for the 1000 free bullets so I think I got a pretty good deal.

Now I just have to find a 45 shell plate.



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