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Posted: 11/22/2008 10:01:10 AM EST
I'm going to start reloading for my DPMS LR-308 and looking for a good powder. If it works well for my AR-15 all the better. I've heard some good things about Ramshot TAC and a guy I know and trust highly recommends it. The only thing I've heard at the range is that it is not quite as stable as some powders? Any feedback would be much appreciated.
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Posted: 11/22/2008 11:04:26 AM EST
I use Ramshot Tac for 223.........don't load 308........I first used Tac for my 223 and changed to using H335 and H322........I went back to Tac.......seems to burn cleaner, more consistant, measures easy,.....
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Posted: 11/22/2008 12:57:47 PM EST
TAC works okay for the 308, but I think for precision rounds you might find better results with using RL15, Varget, IMR 4895 or 4064 and there are some VV like N150 or N540.
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Posted: 11/22/2008 1:00:19 PM EST
It's a little too temp sensitive for precision stuff.

In .223 it is too slow for under 65 grains.
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Posted: 11/22/2008 1:30:37 PM EST
Varget for both.
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Posted: 11/22/2008 2:21:34 PM EST
Originally Posted By innocent_bystander:
It's a little too temp sensitive for precision stuff.

In .223 it is too slow for under 65 grains.


I've talked to people who've had good results with 62 and 55 grain, so there may be some disagreement on that subject.
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Posted: 11/22/2008 2:32:06 PM EST
Originally Posted By timb3:
Originally Posted By innocent_bystander:
It's a little too temp sensitive for precision stuff.

In .223 it is too slow for under 65 grains.


I've talked to people who've had good results with 62 and 55 grain, so there may be some disagreement on that subject.



I know markm loves the stuff under 55 grain pills.

I just think there are better choices for powder in that weight range.
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Posted: 11/22/2008 3:58:02 PM EST
TAC works really well with 55gr Blitz Kings! Pretty darn good with 60gr Vmax. Excellent with 69grOTM, 75grOTM, 77grOTM, and 80grOTM
Originally Posted By innocent_bystander:
It's a little too temp sensitive for precision stuff.

In .223 it is too slow for under 65 grains.


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Posted: 11/23/2008 5:05:55 AM EST
TAC meters very well thru my Dillon RL550 with 69gr SMK's.
Accuracy is also very good In a RRA Varmit 20" barrel.
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Posted: 11/23/2008 5:52:51 AM EST
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Originally Posted By rn22723:
TAC works really well with 55gr Blitz Kings!


Fire one of the 55 grain loads with TAC under it at a paper target about 3 feet away. You will see a bunch of marks from the unburned powder hitting the target.

MarkM uses 24.5 grains of TAC under a 55 grain Hornady. Out of a 16" barrel QuickLoad shows only 86% of the powder burned.

I use 25.0 grains of Benchmark under a 55 grain Hornady. Out of a 16" barrel 93% of the powder is burned.

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Posted: 11/23/2008 8:30:36 AM EST
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I've had good results with 26.0 TAC and 53gr SMKs. Haven't run them across a chrono, but the 10 round groups are sub MOA at 100 yards. (RRA NM4 20" 1:8)
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Posted: 11/23/2008 1:02:15 PM EST
So it sounds like there are some takers on .223 but none on .308. I may have to try some to run through my AR's then run some .308 with it. That's interesting that someone said it is too slow, since it is place between H335 and Varget on the burn rate chart and I haven't had issues with either of them on 55gr fmj.
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Posted: 11/23/2008 1:29:41 PM EST
Originally Posted By sigsauer_pdx:
So it sounds like there are some takers on .223 but none on .308. I may have to try some to run through my AR's then run some .308 with it. That's interesting that someone said it is too slow, since it is place between H335 and Varget on the burn rate chart and I haven't had issues with either of them on 55gr fmj.


Yes, I have used it in .308. It works and meters well through the Dillon measure.

Here is my old Remington shooting very well with my TAC load data in the hands of its new owner carbinereloaded.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=42&t=256068
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Posted: 11/30/2008 3:20:35 AM EST
I bought a bunch of it to use for 223 plinking loads and I use it under 55gr and 62 gr with acceptable results. Hey, they are pulled bullets and I use that ammo for my CCQ drills.

I loaded some up in 308 for plinking out of my fal and M1a. I haven't tried them in my FAL yet but they shoot ok out of my M1a. Again, pulled (tracer) bullets so it's hard to tell what the accuracy would be. The rounds seemed to work fine and the powder seems to burn cleanly and it meters very well.

I use varget for my serious loads.
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Posted: 12/1/2008 4:39:25 PM EST
TAC actually works better with lighter bullets based on all the reloading data I could find. It doesn't make really good velocity with 75gr pills before pressure problems show up. I got the 75gr OTMs loaded to between TAP .223 and TAP 5.56 velocities. Data is in the reloading database tacked at the top of the forum.
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Posted: 12/1/2008 4:44:00 PM EST
TAC is the fastest load listed by Sierra for 77s.

accurateshooter.net/Downloads/sierra223ar.pdf
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Posted: 12/1/2008 4:44:57 PM EST
Whatever! I works for me, and the target and chrono provide good results for me in a could of weapons.
Originally Posted By innocent_bystander:
Originally Posted By rn22723:
TAC works really well with 55gr Blitz Kings!


Fire one of the 55 grain loads with TAC under it at a paper target about 3 feet away. You will see a bunch of marks from the unburned powder hitting the target.

MarkM uses 24.5 grains of TAC under a 55 grain Hornady. Out of a 16" barrel QuickLoad shows only 86% of the powder burned.

I use 25.0 grains of Benchmark under a 55 grain Hornady. Out of a 16" barrel 93% of the powder is burned.



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Posted: 12/1/2008 5:00:30 PM EST
Tac not good for 55 and 62 gr FMJBT loads?

Wish you would of told me before I loaded and shot a couple of k.

The above an attempt at mirth.

Op, never tried it in 308, but it's great in 223.
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Posted: 12/1/2008 7:58:14 PM EST
Originally Posted By Zhukov:
TAC actually works better with lighter bullets based on all the reloading data I could find. It doesn't make really good velocity with 75gr pills before pressure problems show up. I got the 75gr OTMs loaded to between TAP .223 and TAP 5.56 velocities. Data is in the reloading database tacked at the top of the forum.


Granted this is with 77gr SMK's and not the 75gr OTM's, but I've had good luck so far with Tac and heavy 223 bullets. Out of a 16" 1/7 hbar at 60 degrees, I was getting about 2725fps with 77gr SMK's with 24.0 gr of powder. No signs of pressure, so I ran off 500 rounds of this stuff using brand new IMG 5.56 brass and a box of cannelured SMK's. Its my mk262 clone.
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Posted: 12/1/2008 8:28:58 PM EST
I use(ed) TAC in 223 and 308. But Varget works just a little better. It's more consistent and groups are a little tighter.
With just a few Dollars difference per pound I've switched to Varget. But I don't have a progressive loader either.
I used 55gr and 168gr bullets respectively.
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Posted: 12/1/2008 8:36:21 PM EST
just started using it in my 308, 45gr with 150gr Speer bullet. Use 24.5gr with my 65gr gamekings in my predator pursuit.
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Posted: 12/3/2008 3:31:39 PM EST
I haven't tried tac or varget yet, waiting on my pv order, but reading all the above and the varying results also begs the question of shooting conditions. They will also affect the outcome, temp, humidity, etc.. Maybe as much as powder type??

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Posted: 12/3/2008 5:14:53 PM EST
Originally Posted By the-fly:
Originally Posted By Zhukov:
TAC actually works better with lighter bullets based on all the reloading data I could find. It doesn't make really good velocity with 75gr pills before pressure problems show up. I got the 75gr OTMs loaded to between TAP .223 and TAP 5.56 velocities. Data is in the reloading database tacked at the top of the forum.
Granted this is with 77gr SMK's and not the 75gr OTM's, but I've had good luck so far with Tac and heavy 223 bullets. Out of a 16" 1/7 hbar at 60 degrees, I was getting about 2725fps with 77gr SMK's with 24.0 gr of powder. No signs of pressure, so I ran off 500 rounds of this stuff using brand new IMG 5.56 brass and a box of cannelured SMK's. Its my mk262 clone.
23.6gr, 2642 with Hornady 75gr OTMs. Maybe it was the fact that it's hotter around here.
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Posted: 12/19/2008 8:00:16 PM EST
Ill be trying Ramshot Tac this weekend as I have been having pressure issues with RE15 (mainly blown primers) with as little as 22.0 gr and fed 205 primers with all makes of brass and 77 gr SMK's. Also changing the primers to CCI 41's, will post a report.
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Posted: 12/20/2008 6:20:06 AM EST
Originally Posted By nf9648:
Ill be trying Ramshot Tac this weekend as I have been having pressure issues with RE15 (mainly blown primers) with as little as 22.0 gr and fed 205 primers with all makes of brass and 77 gr SMK's. Also changing the primers to CCI 41's, will post a report.


I'll be looking forward to the report, if you can post some pics of your groups!!
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Posted: 12/25/2008 11:08:53 AM EST
Originally Posted By nf9648:
Ill be trying Ramshot Tac this weekend as I have been having pressure issues with RE15 (mainly blown primers) with as little as 22.0 gr and fed 205 primers with all makes of brass and 77 gr SMK's. Also changing the primers to CCI 41's, will post a report.


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