|
|
Posted: 5/3/2012 10:10:52 PM
[Last Edit: 5/3/2012 10:25:07 PM by Requiem]
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT What's the point of a tanto blade? I don't see how it's helpful. Please educate me. Knife to be discussed here:
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/3/2012 10:13:58 PM
i believe that is a Tanto blade...not tango. I'm gonna guess that it has something to do with skinning.. I don't really know why it's better/worse than a regular one, but now I'm in for the explanation as well.
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/3/2012 10:15:12 PM
Originally Posted By synergyperf:
i believe that is a Tanto blade...not tango. I'm gonna guess that it has something to do with skinning.. I don't really know why it's better/worse than a regular one, but now I'm in for the explanation as well. Thanks, I edited my post. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/3/2012 10:28:13 PM
For wilderness/outdoor, tantos are generally disliked. Blades with a proper belly are preferred because they're more useful and versatile.
Some like tantos for self defense because they feel the tip is stronger and better for penetration, and the second tip is good for slashing. So they say. For utility, some like tantos because the sharp angle acts as a second tip, which can be useful for draw cutting and whatnot. It all comes down to taste. Personally I don't care for tantos. But my preferences are my own. I don't like big bellies either. Tantos are pretty polarizing. They're either loved or hated. Like any sharpened piece of metal they have their uses. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/3/2012 10:28:53 PM
From my very limited understanding it is for penetration.
The tanto tip is supposed to be stronger, so in theory it should be able to better penetrate. Again this is coming from my very limited understanding. I'm sure someone with a better answer will be along shortly. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/3/2012 10:31:30 PM
[Last Edit: 5/4/2012 2:36:23 AM by Sierra5]
Originally Posted By 325moutguru:
From my very limited understanding it is for penetration. . This, it's for punching through armor or obstructions. I like them but they are a pain in the ass to sharpen compared to other styles. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/3/2012 10:33:46 PM
My opinion is tantos are great for fixed blade knives but useless for folders. Tantos are for strength and penetration.
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/3/2012 10:34:23 PM
Regular blade it is.
thanks. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/3/2012 10:45:17 PM
The Americanized tanto design is not for greater penetration it is for greater tip strength only. The tanto design actually penetrates less effectively than a standard knife design or even the true Japanese style tanto.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/3/2012 10:49:04 PM
Tantos are not for stabbing/penetration.
Look to the old Edo period and other Japanese period pieces. They do NOT have guards at all. Imagine taking a sharp object with a sharp edge and stabbing someone. You hit a rib bone, a lighter in the pocket, a button, or their pacemaker. The blade makes a sudden and permanent stop of all forward motion. Your hand does not. I see a horrific wound in your future (like a customer of mine that got one of my specialty tantos with no guard). Reverse ice pick grip with your thumb over the endcap works great for stabbing- They are for slashing. This is a continuation of the use of the sword where in combat AGAINST MULTIPLE ATTACKERS...you need to keep your weapon in motion. Stabbing someone may trap your weapon in a body as they grab you in passing while someone else stabs you. Slash slash slash. That is how they work. A tanto tip will not break off if you hit something hard while slashing and it will cut as it passes pushing the material aside. The example you gave is more of what we term an Americanized tanto where the tip transition is angular. Traditional Japanese tantos are not. They may have a transition but it looks nothing like this example. I say...get what you like and find useful. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/3/2012 10:55:14 PM
To look cool and otherwise limit your ability to use the knife for any cutting purpose.
I'm not a fan. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/3/2012 11:35:53 PM
They CUT just fine.....
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2012 12:12:40 AM
[Last Edit: 5/4/2012 12:14:22 AM by RogueSpear2023]
The tanto blade usually will have a stronger tip, IMO they are not better and probably worse than most other common designs. The are also more difficult to sharpen because of the second tip if you are not careful you can round it off. They may have a slight advantage for a fighting blade, but the fact that they are worse at everything else doesn't make it worth it to me. I own several tanto blades just so you know I am no a tanto hatter just prefer other designs for a working blade.
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2012 12:28:58 AM
Originally Posted By GoatHerder: Tantos are not for stabbing/penetration. Look to the old Edo period and other Japanese period pieces. They do NOT have guards at all. Imagine taking a sharp object with a sharp edge and stabbing someone. You hit a rib bone, a lighter in the pocket, a button, or their pacemaker. The blade makes a sudden and permanent stop of all forward motion. Your hand does not. I see a horrific wound in your future (like a customer of mine that got one of my specialty tantos with no guard). Reverse ice pick grip with your thumb over the endcap works great for stabbing- They are for slashing. This is a continuation of the use of the sword where in combat AGAINST MULTIPLE ATTACKERS...you need to keep your weapon in motion. Stabbing someone may trap your weapon in a body as they grab you in passing while someone else stabs you. Slash slash slash. That is how they work. A tanto tip will not break off if you hit something hard while slashing and it will cut as it passes pushing the material aside. The example you gave is more of what we term an Americanized tanto where the tip transition is angular. Traditional Japanese tantos are not. They may have a transition but it looks nothing like this example. I say...get what you like and find useful. Really well put. The tanto stabbing phase hit hard in the early 90's. I want to blame C.S. for some whacky add or video with them stabbing a door and showing how awesome that was. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2012 1:17:35 AM
In Texas, Bowie knives & 5.5"+ blades are illegal for carry. Jim Bowie never saw a tanto point in his life. Thus, I bought all my Texas troops this before we came home:
http://www.kabar.com/knives/detail/70 ![]() |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2012 8:07:39 AM
The point, I believe is to take a useful visually appealing knife and make it ugly as hell.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2012 9:22:21 AM
Supposed efficiency and strength for penetrations. Back in the '80s they got a reputation as a design that was strong as shit for penetration. IIRC it was Cold Steel that featured ads of these being hammered through 55 gallon drums and car hoods. FWIW I have several tanto points in my collection, even though I generally prefer spear or clip these days.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2012 10:08:07 AM
easier to open paint cans,with.
clown |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2012 10:17:27 AM
[Last Edit: 5/4/2012 10:17:35 AM by ag04blast]
Tacticool!!!!!
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2012 7:05:00 PM
Originally Posted By Timberwolf_71:
Originally Posted By GoatHerder:
Tantos are not for stabbing/penetration. Look to the old Edo period and other Japanese period pieces. They do NOT have guards at all. Imagine taking a sharp object with a sharp edge and stabbing someone. You hit a rib bone, a lighter in the pocket, a button, or their pacemaker. The blade makes a sudden and permanent stop of all forward motion. Your hand does not. I see a horrific wound in your future (like a customer of mine that got one of my specialty tantos with no guard). Reverse ice pick grip with your thumb over the endcap works great for stabbing- They are for slashing. This is a continuation of the use of the sword where in combat AGAINST MULTIPLE ATTACKERS...you need to keep your weapon in motion. Stabbing someone may trap your weapon in a body as they grab you in passing while someone else stabs you. Slash slash slash. That is how they work. A tanto tip will not break off if you hit something hard while slashing and it will cut as it passes pushing the material aside. The example you gave is more of what we term an Americanized tanto where the tip transition is angular. Traditional Japanese tantos are not. They may have a transition but it looks nothing like this example. I say...get what you like and find useful. Dear god, will the horseshit never end. Traditional Japanese tantos are for exactly that, stabbing, slashing too, but they had to be able to stab. that why traditionally the tanto has a pokier point than the katana. They were for the up-close oh shit moments that happen in combat. I've heard this bullshit my entire knife loving and making career, so finally decided to put it to the test. This is one of my Wrath Mk V's made from Elmax. Insanely sharp and with a freshly mineral oiled handle. It was about 80 something degrees that day and this was at the end of chopping tests, so me and my hands were good and sweaty to boot. These are full-power hits, as hard as I could do them, into an oak tree. By no means do I have super hero strength in my hands and forearms and had a comfy grip, not a death grip. <a href="http://s77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/Timberwolf_71/?action=view¤t=f47eaf36.mp4" target="_blank">http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/Timberwolf_71/th_f47eaf36.jpg</a> Hopefully it embeds, if not here's the direct link.. http://s77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/Timberwolf_71/?action=view¤t=f47eaf36.mp4 If you don't want your hand to slip forward, don't hold your knife like a pussy. Stick your hold and stay there. You don't flip your gun around and dance with it, why the hell would you do it with a knife? Fuck, I don't know how to embed, but if you click that photo it takes you to it. Hahahaha Jasun! You hit it on the 'point'!!! Your knife I will point out (no pun there intended) is a modified hissatsu blade which IS very dagger like, where the OP's intended knife is much blunter. Very good demonstration and you did more than half of your stabs in the reverse Ice pick method which does work. (grinning) |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/4/2012 9:05:49 PM
Well, they look cool. But other than that, they don't have any magic powers that other well thought out designs don't have. That said, I have a Cold Steel Mini Tanto boot knife that I like. It does fit nicely into the top of the aforementioned boot. And, used for the purposes a boot knife would be put to, it should do just fine.
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/5/2012 6:57:42 AM
Originally Posted By GoatHerder:
Originally Posted By Timberwolf_71:
Originally Posted By GoatHerder:
Tantos are not for stabbing/penetration. Look to the old Edo period and other Japanese period pieces. They do NOT have guards at all. Imagine taking a sharp object with a sharp edge and stabbing someone. You hit a rib bone, a lighter in the pocket, a button, or their pacemaker. The blade makes a sudden and permanent stop of all forward motion. Your hand does not. I see a horrific wound in your future (like a customer of mine that got one of my specialty tantos with no guard). Reverse ice pick grip with your thumb over the endcap works great for stabbing- They are for slashing. This is a continuation of the use of the sword where in combat AGAINST MULTIPLE ATTACKERS...you need to keep your weapon in motion. Stabbing someone may trap your weapon in a body as they grab you in passing while someone else stabs you. Slash slash slash. That is how they work. A tanto tip will not break off if you hit something hard while slashing and it will cut as it passes pushing the material aside. The example you gave is more of what we term an Americanized tanto where the tip transition is angular. Traditional Japanese tantos are not. They may have a transition but it looks nothing like this example. I say...get what you like and find useful. Dear god, will the horseshit never end. Traditional Japanese tantos are for exactly that, stabbing, slashing too, but they had to be able to stab. that why traditionally the tanto has a pokier point than the katana. They were for the up-close oh shit moments that happen in combat. I've heard this bullshit my entire knife loving and making career, so finally decided to put it to the test. This is one of my Wrath Mk V's made from Elmax. Insanely sharp and with a freshly mineral oiled handle. It was about 80 something degrees that day and this was at the end of chopping tests, so me and my hands were good and sweaty to boot. These are full-power hits, as hard as I could do them, into an oak tree. By no means do I have super hero strength in my hands and forearms and had a comfy grip, not a death grip. <a href="http://s77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/Timberwolf_71/?action=view¤t=f47eaf36.mp4" target="_blank">http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/Timberwolf_71/th_f47eaf36.jpg</a> Hopefully it embeds, if not here's the direct link.. http://s77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/Timberwolf_71/?action=view¤t=f47eaf36.mp4 If you don't want your hand to slip forward, don't hold your knife like a pussy. Stick your hold and stay there. You don't flip your gun around and dance with it, why the hell would you do it with a knife? Fuck, I don't know how to embed, but if you click that photo it takes you to it. Hahahaha Jasun! You hit it on the 'point'!!! Your knife I will point out (no pun there intended) is a modified hissatsu blade which IS very dagger like, where the OP's intended knife is much blunter. Very good demonstration and you did more than half of your stabs in the reverse Ice pick method which does work. (grinning) The fuck it is, it is a traditional Japnese kwiken. Hissatsu is a trademarked name of a knife designed by James Williams. There are no traditional Japanese hissatsu style blades since it is something he created and designed. Hissatsu means final blow in Japanese, the knife itself is nothing more than a blended American and Japanese tanto design with a way elongated front section. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/5/2012 3:14:40 PM
When I think tanto:
Or the one I'm making..
Anything else is just cold steel BS marketing. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/5/2012 11:46:38 PM
Originally Posted By Timberwolf_71:
Originally Posted By GoatHerder:
Originally Posted By Timberwolf_71:
Originally Posted By GoatHerder:
Tantos are not for stabbing/penetration. Look to the old Edo period and other Japanese period pieces. They do NOT have guards at all. Imagine taking a sharp object with a sharp edge and stabbing someone. You hit a rib bone, a lighter in the pocket, a button, or their pacemaker. The blade makes a sudden and permanent stop of all forward motion. Your hand does not. I see a horrific wound in your future (like a customer of mine that got one of my specialty tantos with no guard). Reverse ice pick grip with your thumb over the endcap works great for stabbing- They are for slashing. This is a continuation of the use of the sword where in combat AGAINST MULTIPLE ATTACKERS...you need to keep your weapon in motion. Stabbing someone may trap your weapon in a body as they grab you in passing while someone else stabs you. Slash slash slash. That is how they work. A tanto tip will not break off if you hit something hard while slashing and it will cut as it passes pushing the material aside. The example you gave is more of what we term an Americanized tanto where the tip transition is angular. Traditional Japanese tantos are not. They may have a transition but it looks nothing like this example. I say...get what you like and find useful. Dear god, will the horseshit never end. Traditional Japanese tantos are for exactly that, stabbing, slashing too, but they had to be able to stab. that why traditionally the tanto has a pokier point than the katana. They were for the up-close oh shit moments that happen in combat. I've heard this bullshit my entire knife loving and making career, so finally decided to put it to the test. This is one of my Wrath Mk V's made from Elmax. Insanely sharp and with a freshly mineral oiled handle. It was about 80 something degrees that day and this was at the end of chopping tests, so me and my hands were good and sweaty to boot. These are full-power hits, as hard as I could do them, into an oak tree. By no means do I have super hero strength in my hands and forearms and had a comfy grip, not a death grip. <a href="http://s77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/Timberwolf_71/?action=view¤t=f47eaf36.mp4" target="_blank">http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/Timberwolf_71/th_f47eaf36.jpg</a> Hopefully it embeds, if not here's the direct link.. http://s77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/Timberwolf_71/?action=view¤t=f47eaf36.mp4 If you don't want your hand to slip forward, don't hold your knife like a pussy. Stick your hold and stay there. You don't flip your gun around and dance with it, why the hell would you do it with a knife? Fuck, I don't know how to embed, but if you click that photo it takes you to it. Hahahaha Jasun! You hit it on the 'point'!!! Your knife I will point out (no pun there intended) is a modified hissatsu blade which IS very dagger like, where the OP's intended knife is much blunter. Very good demonstration and you did more than half of your stabs in the reverse Ice pick method which does work. (grinning) The fuck it is, it is a traditional Japnese kwiken. Hissatsu is a trademarked name of a knife designed by James Williams. There are no traditional Japanese hissatsu style blades since it is something he created and designed. Hissatsu means final blow in Japanese, the knife itself is nothing more than a blended American and Japanese tanto design with a way elongated front section. You are correct and I was tired...I typed the wrong word. "Ikken hissatsu" (in Sotokan Karate) exactly translated "One fist: certain death" or "kill with one strike". Hissatsu ( 必殺) then actually means ''certain kill". The concept is to put all into that punch to finish your opponent. If that does not work use another...and so on. But you do it with purpose and intent. A sort of 'Carpe diem" in Japanese. Actually I am not trying to engage into a pissing contest Jasun, so don't get bent , if that is where this is going. I am fallible and I do make mistakes but the hope is that the mistakes are not life threatening or cause harm to another. I also own up to my mistakes and try to correct them immediately as well as don't intentionally try to copy other work. My many years in Japan and my education notwithstanding, Kwaiken means 'chest' or 'bosom' and many times was carried in the obi of a kimono. Obis were worn (especially on women) on the lower chest region of the body so the name might not just be a coincidence. They would be worn edge up thrust into the obi or a belt. I never said anywhere that you could NOT stab with them, I did suggest that it was not recommended as to the use for self defense against more than one attacker. I think it is part of the reason that Aikido, while very very effective on a battle field, does not lend itself to use so well in the MMA arena. Arena fighting is against only one person...a sort of duel. using the force of one opponent against another opponent cannot apply in a duel. Sticking an opponent when you have more than one may end up getting you 'poked' or worse. Blades stick sometimes in odd ways when being used and notches, gimping, file work, or sharp projections can effect removal and redeployment to another target. A chisel shaped blade is less effective as a stabbing weapon but will work just fine. On my CQB hawk the spike is actually chisel shaped and does a good amount of penetration into steel drums and car doors. It cuts and then separates the metal, pushing it aside as it enters. As this weapon is intended to be used very close up, I did not want a spike that could seriously harm the user if it got between them and an attacker. I am told it works well. As for any trademark for a hissatsu blade, I have never heard of it. I certainly know of the elongated point (kissaki) of the CRKT Hissatsu but I also have seen many ancient examples in my travels in Japan. That was just part of my studies over the years and I have seen even sword examples that are similar. I don't know how much that can be copy righted in this area as so much has been done in the last 1000 years in blade crafting in Japan particular to swords and knives. A "Shobu Zukuri" katana is a great example. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/6/2012 9:53:29 PM
Originally Posted By b_rogers:
When I think tanto: http://www.aoi-art.com/sword/tanto/11136s.jpg Or the one I'm making.. http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e344/b_rogers/image-36.jpg http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e344/b_rogers/image-35.jpg Anything else is just cold steel BS marketing. |
|