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Posted: 4/23/2012 4:05:16 PM
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I am creating a new mini blade for use in SERE kits that can be incorporated into a survival wristband or fob. I would like some ideas from the membership on what these should look like and materials. Unfortunately they can only have a blade of no MORE THAN 1.25 inches X 3/8 inches.....I have an idea of one with a small ring no more than 1/2 " diameter in the end and making a toggle of something useful like a fire steel. If you guys submit some ideas and I use one I will send finished product to the selectee. Material will need to be either stainless or titanium or both. Thanks.


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Posted: 4/23/2012 4:40:13 PM
Here ya go. The left one is a Micro Meiyo and the right is just a ground edge. Both sized for Altoids tin kits.

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Posted: 4/23/2012 9:48:21 PM
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Originally Posted By GoatHerder:
I am creating a new mini blade for use in SERE kits that can be incorporated into a survival wristband or fob. I would like some ideas from the membership on what these should look like and materials. Unfortunately they can only have a blade of no MORE THAN 1.25 inches X 3/8 inches.....I have an idea of one with a small ring no more than 1/2 " diameter in the end and making a toggle of something useful like a fire steel. If you guys submit some ideas and I use one I will send finished product to the selectee. Material will need to be either stainless or titanium or both. Thanks.


Brad
Sounds like you're looking for something about the size of an X-acto blade... have a look at various X-acto blades for ideas... or you might just use an actual X-acto blade...

#22 >>> #26 >>>

If you look around, you might even find a handle that you like...



<http://utilityjournal.com/?pg=3>

ETA:
You could also consider scalpel blades (similar to X-acto) and scalpel handles... the blades are disposable and the handles are SS... you can take a base handle and put a grinder to it if you need or want something smaller... just a thought

Scalpel blades >


Scalpel handles >


...and scalpel handles are not expensive... link
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Posted: 4/23/2012 11:30:35 PM
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Originally Posted By Timberwolf_71:
Here ya go. The left one is a Micro Meiyo and the right is just a ground edge. Both sized for Altoids tin kits.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/Timberwolf_71/cc7f370e.jpg


Wayyy too big. It is going inside of a woven wrist band....nice though....I have considered the pre-made surgical blade....I don't like them.
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Posted: 4/23/2012 11:33:39 PM
Originally Posted By GoatHerder:

Wayyy too big. It is going inside of a woven wrist band....nice though....I have considered the pre-made surgical blade....I don't like them.


You mean like a paracord bracelet? Got a pic?
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Posted: 4/23/2012 11:35:25 PM
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Posted: 4/23/2012 11:49:54 PM
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Originally Posted By GoatHerder:
Originally Posted By Timberwolf_71:
Here ya go. The left one is a Micro Meiyo and the right is just a ground edge. Both sized for Altoids tin kits.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/Timberwolf_71/cc7f370e.jpg


Wayyy too big. It is going inside of a woven wrist band....nice though....I have considered the pre-made surgical blade....I don't like them.
OK then this is the only thing I can think of that might fit your task... you can customize the size of the knife to meet your needs.


Another example


ETA: I've also seen knives fabricated from sawzall blades >>>

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Posted: 4/24/2012 12:32:30 AM
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Don't make anything too small to use.

The hacksaw knife made by Mike Forte is useless unless I see video otherwise.
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Posted: 4/24/2012 1:00:46 AM
KARAMBIT !
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Posted: 4/24/2012 1:40:51 PM
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Yeah. Paracord bracelet/wristband....intended as an emergency use blade. Something to cut with when there is nothing else at the moment.....
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Posted: 4/24/2012 3:37:29 PM
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I can't imagine anything that could fit inside a paracord bracelet that would be useful other than an x-acto knife blade or something like a razor blade. Maybe something similar to Esee's arrowhead. I don't think I'd be comfortable carrying anything like that in a paracord bracelet, unless it incorporated some sort of sheath, but then it would start to get even more bulky. I'm curious to see what you have in mind though.

ETA: Another idea might be some sort of flexible material with a sharp edge on one side or impregnated with some material that could hold an edge. Something that could roll into a circular shape of a bracelet then be woven over with paracord. If you ever saw those "slap bracelets" as a kid, they would be relatively stiff when unrolled but could also be rolled into a bracelet form (just as a reference, they probably wouldn't be the best material choice). You could put thumb grips/holes on either end or combine the grips with small lanyards for positive control. Obviously these would only be good for light cutting duty, but I think that would be true of any sort of blade in the size range you're describing. Plus you would have a much larger cutting edge than something as small as a scalpel blade. You could cover the sharp edge with some sort of vinyl tubing or something similar to protect the wearer and prevent the cutting edge from slicing through the paracord.
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Posted: 4/24/2012 6:58:53 PM
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I just remembered... ESEE makes a Ceramic razor blade (but of course!)... weighs about 1/50th of an ounce... cost is $12.50. LINK



Text from their page >>>
The ultimate last ditch hide-out blade. The Ceramic Razor Blade is totally non-metallic, made from Zirconia ceramic, a super-hard material that is extremely wear-resistant. This covert blade with a chisel-grind edge is designed as a hide-out blade for cutting tape, ropes, plastic cuffs, etc. The blade has a lanyard hole so that it can be sewn into clothing or attached via a lanyard to your belt or gear. Color: black. Size: 1.25" x 0.4" (30mm x 10mm). Thickness: 0.028" (0.7mm). Weight: 0.017 oz.
Almost exactly the size you mentioned!!!

ETA >>>

Was browsing their site... there seems to be a titanium blade (among other things) in their "IZULA GEAR ® Wallet E&E / Mini Survival Kit" - link
>>> "kit" is $60 online!


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Posted: 4/24/2012 9:28:41 PM
Thanks, but I am a supplier of SERE equipment to LEO and Mil and I have those ceramic blades (from SEREPICKS.com) and I have dozens of them but that is more to the idea I think. Hmmmm...
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Posted: 4/24/2012 10:46:49 PM
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So you ask the forum about ideas for a blade that is 1.25" x 0.375" and you have in your possession dozens of ceramic blades exactly that size that fit exactly what you seem to need! Really!?!?!?!?

I agree with you - Hmmmmmmmmmm...
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Posted: 4/25/2012 12:56:37 AM
Originally Posted By Reorx:
So you ask the forum about ideas for a blade that is 1.25" x 0.375" and you have in your possession dozens of ceramic blades exactly that size that fit exactly what you seem to need! Really!?!?!?!?

I agree with you - Hmmmmmmmmmm...


He doesn't want a razor blade or a scalpel blade, just something that is about the exact same size and same material. Hmmmmm
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Posted: 4/25/2012 8:40:10 PM
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-So within the size of a Altoids Tin
-Finger loop sized to fit 20mm Grade-AA button compas (slightly larger than 3/4")
-Grove for second finger
-Use your Glacier Blade profile (micro-sized)
-Could be ground flat at points A to maximize blade length
-Thumb groves on the spine
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Posted: 4/25/2012 9:56:42 PM
I dunno...what does an Altoids tin have to do with it? LOL.....It HAS to go INSIDE of a paracord wrapped wristband...
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Posted: 4/26/2012 12:41:11 PM
I cannot use graphics to show what am thinkin but If you make it small to fit a braided wristlet of paracord then one way you could help secure it up into that is incorperate the small handle with a partial finger ring and thum rest on the spine maybe have a small piece of kydex sheath inserted into the braclet the person could wear it on their underisde of their arm and pull the small blade out as needed I am not a fan of a karambit style but if thought out well It could be small and still very functional. In an emergency this is soundin cool. IT would not look bad for it to have some handle material showing if it makes aesier to access the blade. Just my thoughts I am no expert use if you wish.
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Posted: 4/26/2012 2:40:45 PM
Those dimensions sort of constrain designs. I thought about what I would use a blade that small for, and then played around with cuts:



I think in order of preference I'd go from right to left.
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Posted: 4/26/2012 10:29:16 PM
Originally Posted By GoatHerder:
I dunno...what does an Altoids tin have to do with it? LOL.....It HAS to go INSIDE of a paracord wrapped wristband...


sorry
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Posted: 4/26/2012 10:40:51 PM
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Posted: 4/27/2012 8:15:24 AM
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What are you trying to cut? The blade forms shown are shaped for slashing and stabbing wounds. However, cutting can be done with other motions. I found that a surgical saw used by neurosurgeons for removal part of the skull can do wonders on other parts of the body as well. You should be quite familiar with these. They are exceedingly concealable: you can wrap them inside a bandana and wear them on different parts of your body, you can roll them and wear them like a bracelet (easily tucked inside a paracord bracelet. For an interesting location to conceal, roll it and place around your privates - only the most dedicated pat down will find it and even then it can be confused for types of jewelry worn by certain population segments...

Edit to add - use "trapping" type techniques on arms and "pull start" like a lawnmower, you'd be surprised how fast they let go

Other option - rather than using standard hardware for the paracord bracelet, make something like the belt buckle knife, but smaller. The male part of a Fastex could be made from metal and modified to be like a chisel... plus the female part would serve as the sheath...

I am currently working on some "jewelry" that will double as a last ditch "get off me" item....
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Posted: 4/27/2012 7:39:37 PM
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Posted: 5/1/2012 10:52:20 PM
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Okay...LonghunterCO is about the closest so I will pony up and get one to him when the blades are finished. Thanks everyone for the input. The production blade will be made from titanium and I have a small sheet going off for the laser cutters next week. Thank you all very much!.

(send me your info LonghunterCO and color of cord preference.)

Proto with scandi grind on the curve only. Ferro rod (1"x3/8") for the toggle with 2 holes drilled into it for the cord to pass through. thin kydex cover on the blade



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Looped ends of the cord will be woven back through the ring into the inside to retain the blade untill you need it.
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Posted: 5/2/2012 8:38:19 AM
Very cool. Addy sent. As far as color, the one in the picture above is great!
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