I ordered 300 rounds of ball 647gn ammunition, a month or so back. I then ordered another 300 this month. This time 150 API and 150 APIT. I ordered the ammo from Charles Gossett at Survivalops.com. TMI 50 BMG, http://tmi50bmg.com/ is the manufacturer. The ball was $1.85 per round. not including shipping. The APIT was $2.30 per round. The API was $2.12 per round.

All the brass is LC. Mostly 09 headstamp. Brass is clean and relatively untarnished. Not as clean as us hand loaders obsess about. But, clean and nice. The ball had no pull marks. it was advertised as new projectiles. I cant be sure, but they look good. The API had no pull marks to speak of. The APIT did have pull marks. Not bad, but dont count on moa accuracy.

I havent fired very many yet, so I cant give an accuracy report. And what I did fire was only ball. Our state is allready a tinder box. And I wont be shooting any of the other ammo, until snow covers the ground again.

I did pull apart some of the Ball ammo. I weighed each charge and came up with 222 grain in each. The spread was with a low of 221.8 and a max of 222.2

Shipping was on par price wise with most online ammunition retailers. He does list prices as cash price, and if you pay with credit card, you pay more. This is ridiculous to me, as its an online store and you will inevitably be using a credit card. I would just build it into the price, if thats the case. For local purchases I understand, but not online.

I think, Survivalops doesnt actually stock any ammunition. Its just dropped shipped from the Manufacturer. You could order directly from TMI but their prices listed are higher than was Survivalops sells them for.

I did some digging and found most retailers who sell 50 bmg out of the Oregon area, use the TMI ammo. And most of them had higher prices listed than survivalops. they seemed to be the lowest on most of the 50bmg.

Prices have increased on the ball, since I bought mine. But, its still reasonable. I hope this helps someone.

I would order from them again.

And the ammunition comes 150 rounds to an ammo can. The first two cans were nice and refinished. The second two cans were dented and not refinished. But, hey, I was buying ammo, not cans.

Just reading your review and that is super. There is so much lacking in the customer service department since the economic downturn. The big companies do whatever they want and there is nothing that can be done about it. It is good to see that some places have not lost customer service. When I get my 50bmg in the coming months I intend to buy some ammo from him. I want to eventually load my own but it would be nice to be able to grab some loaded api ammo without the hastle. Is there a minimum order do you know? I will not be buying 300 rounds in my first outing.

usually APIT is the cheapest, because most ranges don't allow it.

Either way, that's not a bad price.

Well fellows. I just recieved my order from Survivalops and I have to say this ammo looks incredible!

I have not had a chance to shoot any yet but the rounds came looking perfect!

And yes my ammo can looks brand new (I know I was buying ammo too, not a can but it sure is nice to recieve a nice ammo can with the rounds.)

Thanks to Charles for taking the time to keep me informed of my delivery tracking and for providing high quality ammo at a reasonable price.

Before learning of HBARS post I wasn't sure if I'd find an affordable quality source of ammo for my shooting my AR50.

Recieved Ball and API mixed and can't wait to get to the range!

Thanks again to HBAR and Charles at Survivalops!

Edited to add: I don't have any way to post pics but it looks just like HBARS!

How are you guys ordering. I tried to order some API and attempted to calculate shipping. However, it says that shipping is not available to my area. I dont live in CA or any other state where the 50 is illegal, what gives.

Ugh... 50 BMG is NOT illegal in CA, rifles chambered in 50 BMG have been banned. Yes, API, APIT and other fun ammo is illegal all other types are legal to own. I reload my own and refuse to do business with companies that won't ship to CA. It only takes a minute of reading to know what can or can't be shipped here, put your political issues some place else and make some money. People in CA spend more on gun stuff then most any other state, why would you give up that kind of business?

I usually chalk it up to businesses being to lazy or scared of CA State coming after them. If its legal your safe, if you don't know ask, just remember that its another poke in their eye when you sell to us. One reason I like buying out of state is that I don't have to pay sales tax and CA gets nothing and the way they waste money, that's a good thing.

I would like to buy some but $50 for shipping and a $10 CC fee is a little ridiculous.

Actually, just the energy rounds are not allowed in the state of Cali. You can ship regular steel core ( Do it all the time ). And if someone signs a statement of intended use I can ship energy rounds into cali as well. State can only do so much to stop interstate commerce.

To address the CC fee, Most people just add that to the cost of the item. I openly show it to let customers know what they are paying for. Feels like the right thing to do.

And on another note, the site won't allow more than 150 pounds total to be addressed in the shopping cart. It's a glitch that I can't seem to be fixed. So if anyone tries to order a few cans just give me a ring. It's better for the larger orders because I will offer a discount and we can do a trucking quote. The shipping rates are getting out of hand with the price increase of gas.

Thanks,
Charles

OR.

If anyone has extensive web development skills..I could definatly use someone to help with the 150 pound limit on my site.

Got my fingers crossed the 150rds of API arrives early next week as me and my Dad are on vacation and we're looking to sight in the AR50! It should be fun shooting the 50 BMG for the first time!

I live in Kalifornia and due to the ban on .50 BMG rifles - all I can legally own is an upper that I can pin onto an AR-15 for when I go shooting in Nevada.

I'll be checking in with you on what's needed to legally order API as it's about the least expensive and works great for "rock busting". Since I cannot even shoot ANY .50 BMG ammo in CA, there should be no problem - so long as there's no issues with actual possession.

If you live in CA you can't have API, APIT... as its illegal in the state. You can have it shipped to a friends house out of state and shoot it there.

You can have it shipped to California...As long as there is a Statement of Intended use behind the purchase. California can make all the laws in the world...But Interstate Commerce trumps it...Period.

If anyone is interested I can get more in depth with HOW it's legal, and why California has to succumb to specific Commerce laws.

Bear in mind. I can't just ship energy rounds into California on a whim to anyone. But, if you plan on using the rounds in a lawful manner ( I.E.) your taking the outside the state to use...Then your fine. But like I said. Individuals need to to sign a intended use interstate commerce form.

Kinda like Aeriel fireworks..I can ship them into Cali alll day long via Fed-Ex...As long as the appropopriate forms are signed.