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Posted: 5/24/2017 10:33:13 PM EDT
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Anything I consider to be a go to rifle is wearing a red dot.
i wouldn't be against a lpv but I don't need magnification and I like the size and weight of a red dot for toting around in my truck. |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 10:40:40 PM EDT
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Anything I consider to be a go to rifle is wearing a red dot. i wouldn't be against a lpv but I don't need magnification and I like the size and weight of a red dot for toting around in my truck. |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 11:53:35 PM EDT
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As a primary carbine, I'd choose 5.56 over 7.62 all day long. We're talking a handy, light carbine with low ammunition weight, not a DMR or GPMG.
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Posted: 5/25/2017 3:08:42 PM EDT
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I set mine up to be a handy carbine. I'm avoiding high power optics and other doo-dads because of weight. I figure this comes in at under 10lbs. Pretty manageable as is.
4x acog, surefire mini, geissele, and sling. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 7:40:29 PM EDT
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I am thinking of doing the same thing. I think it would make a great all-arounder!
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Posted: 5/25/2017 7:48:47 PM EDT
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I'm thinking about doing it if I can pick up a Scar from a buddy. I would use a 1-4 just since I think 308 has the ability to punch out a bit harder and farther than a 223. Plus anything I want to use past 100 yards I want magnified.
Thinking it would be great once I leave the house, but not sure I want/need to touch off a 308 out of a shorty inside |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:00:17 PM EDT
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Anyone use their scar 17 a their primary carbine? 1-4/6 or red dot and a light? I'm talking over a 5.56 gun for all purposes. This is my "bedside" rifle loaded w/110 gr. TAP 
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Posted: 5/26/2017 7:43:19 AM EDT
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My 17 is quickly becoming my primary carbine. I have a 2moa H1 and a Surefire x300 ultra on it.
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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:03:06 PM EDT
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My 17 is quickly becoming my primary carbine. I have a 2moa H1 and a Surefire x300 ultra on it. |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 2:38:36 PM EDT
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If SHTF my SCAR would be my primary carbine. As of right now it is far cheaper to feed an AR than my SCAR.
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Posted: 5/27/2017 6:20:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/29/2017 12:25:08 AM EDT
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Despite having half a dozen ARs, the 17 is quickly becoming my favorite. Currently I have a TLR-1 and an Aimpoint M2 on mine, so pretty basic but also rock solid.
1-whatever optics are nice, but I don't see anyone throwing around a scope like you do an Aimpoint & having it survive. |
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Posted: 5/29/2017 12:30:43 AM EDT
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You simply can't carry enough ammo for a 308 to have it be your primary long gun.
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Posted: 5/29/2017 12:42:45 AM EDT
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You simply can't carry enough ammo for a 308 to have it be your primary long gun. 
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Posted: 5/29/2017 1:34:10 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/29/2017 4:47:17 AM EDT
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How many rounds do you carry? |
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Posted: 5/29/2017 5:51:00 AM EDT
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I'm just here to look at the pretty pictures.
Afterwords I'll go be poor somewhere else. 
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Posted: 5/29/2017 7:18:21 AM EDT
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I panic bought a black SCAR 17 last year and have been slowly setting it up. I have a Geissele mount for a Vortex Razor HD 1x6 (don't have the optic yet), a sling, mags, Gemtech mount for the One and about 1K rounds of American Eagle 76251m1a ammo.
If HPA passes, I'll buy the One suppressor, if not either the Geissele Super SCAR or the Vortex Razor will be the next purchase. This will be my primary Carbine 
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Posted: 5/29/2017 10:43:47 PM EDT
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It's doable...11.6 lbs as shown with an empty mag. Not much heavier than a similarly equipped 5.56 AR. One mag in the rifle and 4 on the chest rig. Option of tossing 5 more in a pack for 200 rnds total.
Geissele Super SCAR trigger FN Sling AAC 51T flash hider AAC 7.62 SDN-6 PMM 1.35 Gas Jet KAC handstop FDE Trijicon TA-11HG 308 M240  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/29/2017 11:10:43 PM EDT
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You simply can't carry enough ammo for a 308 to have it be your primary long gun. |
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Posted: 5/29/2017 11:31:13 PM EDT
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You simply can't carry enough ammo for a 308 to have it be your primary long gun. |
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Posted: 5/29/2017 11:54:09 PM EDT
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People have been carrying 7.62 combat loads for years. I've done it in RC East with an EBR or a M110... it is obviously heavier but its being done every day. |
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Posted: 5/30/2017 12:08:42 AM EDT
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Carrying 390 rounds of 7.62 would get old fast. |
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Posted: 5/30/2017 12:29:48 AM EDT
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Carrying 390 rounds of 7.62 would get old fast. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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People have been carrying 7.62 combat loads for years. I've done it in RC East with an EBR or a M110... it is obviously heavier but its being done every day. Still think I'll stick with one of my SCARs as my primary. |
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Posted: 5/30/2017 12:36:44 AM EDT
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Why would you carry 390 rnds? Even 390 rnds of 5.56. You were never light were you? |
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Posted: 5/30/2017 12:59:14 AM EDT
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Never carried more than 8 without issue in RC South and East. Burned up 4-5 on several occasions but the volume shooting is why we have MK48's and SAW's. Regardless, we aren't talking about fighting in SE Asia. Think more "Patrol rifle" for the purposes of being an armed civilian. If Katrina style shit goes down in my neighborhood I'd feel perfectly comfortable with 120rnds of .308 to take care of business.
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Posted: 5/30/2017 1:21:34 AM EDT
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Did any of you guys questioning my comment use your rifle as a supplement to a team of regular riflemen? I'm going into this question with the understanding that you are not in a DMR or support role and ~300 rounds should be about right. 300 rounds of 308 will put a hurting on your mobility...
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Posted: 5/30/2017 1:22:56 AM EDT
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Never carried more than 8 without issue in RC South and East. Burned up 4-5 on several occasions but the volume shooting is why we have MK48's and SAW's. Regardless, we aren't talking about fighting in SE Asia. Think more "Patrol rifle" for the purposes of being an armed civilian. If Katrina style shit goes down in my neighborhood I'd feel perfectly comfortable with 120rnds of .308 to take care of business. |
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Posted: 5/30/2017 1:25:37 AM EDT
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do you even lift bro. |
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Posted: 5/30/2017 1:28:38 AM EDT
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I've had my 17 for a few weeks and it's quickly becoming my favorite. I like to describe it as it's not great at anything but it's good at everything.
Next on the list is a Geissele Super Scar and SBR. 
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Posted: 5/30/2017 1:31:52 AM EDT
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My buddy worked in 4-24 man teams. Usually 4 in Africa and Yemen. More in AFG. |
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Posted: 5/30/2017 2:05:01 AM EDT
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If FN had not gone with a retardedly slow twist...could have done much better on the barrel.
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Posted: 5/30/2017 2:38:27 AM EDT
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If FN had not gone with a retardedly slow twist...could have done much better on the barrel. |
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Posted: 5/30/2017 3:05:58 AM EDT
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Agreed.
The SCAR has huge potential. Add a longer rail, metal lower, better stock, and fast twist barrel with better profile...and it truly would have been a game changer. As it stands, it is an eccentric but functional also ran. |
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Posted: 5/30/2017 9:14:17 AM EDT
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Agreed. The SCAR has huge potential. Add a longer rail, metal lower, better stock, and fast twist barrel with better profile...and it truly would have been a game changer. As it stands, it is an eccentric but functional also ran. |
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Posted: 5/30/2017 10:41:46 AM EDT
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The rail and lower are fine. A metal stock latch and different twist barrel would have a negligible impact on weight. The difference is reliability. Large frame AR's are not nearly as reliable as their smaller 5.56 counterparts...even high end ones. My SR-25 choked on ammo that the SCAR easily eats (ZQI for example)...
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Posted: 5/30/2017 11:54:11 AM EDT
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Comparing loadouts of SOF or equivalent working in a hostile environment to a civilian "go-to" rifle loadout are apples to oranges. I'd be more concerned with penetration of building materials in the area you live, vehicle penetration, and accuracy then carrying as many rounds as possible. |
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Posted: 6/4/2017 1:51:15 AM EDT
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I've had them all.
Nothing else out there is close. Full sized acog and thsts it. winner. |
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Posted: 6/5/2017 10:09:53 AM EDT
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I've thought about using my Scar-17 as a primary. It wears a TA11H ACOG in a LaRue SDO mount. The only other mods include: SureFire M600C Scout, Tango Down Mk46 VFG, Geiselle Super Scar Trigger.
Ultimately I think the Scar-17 vs a quality 5.56 (like a Scar-16) decision is the same as 45Acp vs 9mm: - The 9mm is easier to shoot than the 45Acp - The 9mm holds more rounds than the 45Acp - The 9mm is cheaper to shoot than the 45Acp - The 9mm is slightly smaller and lighter than the 45Acp - The 45Acp has greater potential for quickly ending a threat. Replace "9mm" with "5.56x45" and "45Acp" with "Scar-17" and that's how my decision process ended. Ultimately it came down to: do I want to carry more ammo. The answer is yes. |
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Posted: 6/5/2017 10:53:14 AM EDT
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Replace "9mm" with "5.56x45" and "45Acp" with "Scar-17" and that's how my decision process ended. Ultimately it came down to: do I want to carry more ammo. The answer is yes. At face value, it takes 3- 55 gr bullets to weigh as much as one 147 gr. And it still wont do the same work. |
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Posted: 6/6/2017 6:02:11 PM EDT
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Now plug in 308 turning cover into concealment. At face value, it takes 3- 55 gr bullets to weigh as much as one 147 gr. And it still wont do the same work. ETA: If I were younger and had the time to keep in better physical shape (work in a professional office 10+ hours a day) I would use a SCAR-H because I would be able to carry more 762 ammo. As it is, 120rds just doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy. |
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Posted: 6/6/2017 6:29:01 PM EDT
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Now plug in 308 turning cover into concealment. At face value, it takes 3- 55 gr bullets to weigh as much as one 147 gr. And it still wont do the same work. |
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Posted: 6/6/2017 9:07:22 PM EDT
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There are relatively few targets that you can penetrate with 7.62 and can't penetrate with 5.56. 
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Posted: 6/7/2017 1:20:57 AM EDT
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There are relatively few targets that you can penetrate with 7.62 and can't penetrate with 5.56. |
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Posted: 6/7/2017 2:13:21 AM EDT
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Please stop... |
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Posted: 6/7/2017 3:50:19 AM EDT
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You should stop overestimating 7.62 and underestimating 5.56. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Please stop... Current 7.62 is lackluster. AP 5.56 does just about everything AP 7.62 can do. There is also real room to modernize AP loads in both calibers. Either way, you gain more from velocity in the AP world than you do from going 5.56 to 7.62. There are some exotics that change that situation...but generally available black tip 5.56 is pretty good overall. |
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Posted: 6/7/2017 9:45:46 AM EDT
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You should stop overestimating 7.62 and underestimating 5.56. you are so right. two peas in a pod. twins! ffs |
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Posted: 6/7/2017 10:18:29 AM EDT
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My 17 is my primary. 1-6 Vortex Razor HD II sits on top.
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Posted: 6/7/2017 11:49:29 AM EDT
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You should stop overestimating 7.62 and underestimating 5.56. |
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Posted: 6/7/2017 12:27:03 PM EDT
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This. Current 7.62 is lackluster. AP 5.56 does just about everything AP 7.62 can do. There is also real room to modernize AP loads in both calibers. Either way, you gain more from velocity in the AP world than you do from going 5.56 to 7.62. There are some exotics that change that situation...but generally available black tip 5.56 is pretty good overall. |
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