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The final fire control group will be HK91style 2-possition, but I don't know the pull weight. I don't have any experience with "bump-fire" shooting as I have access to LEO full-auto and get my fix at work on an MP5, M4 or Colt SMG. I was thinking more of one of those detachable trigger accuators similar to the old style gattling gun. Mount on a tri-pod, set up the crank, load pumpkins with explosive rifle target mix and let freinds and family have a blast at the annual fall picnic. I would be a great to see Grand Ma blasting away with a belt fed.
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Originally Posted By rncbinc:
The final fire control group will be HK91style 2-possition, but I don't know the pull weight. I don't have any experience with "bump-fire" shooting as I have access to LEO full-auto and get my fix at work on an MP5, M4 or Colt SMG. I was thinking more of one of those detachable trigger accuators similar to the old style gattling gun. Mount on a tri-pod, set up the crank, load pumpkins with explosive rifle target mix and let freinds and family have a blast at the annual fall picnic. I would be a great to see Grand Ma blasting away with a belt fed. We must work for the same bureau, not many Colt SMGs or MP5s getting used by anybody else. I hope the crank thing works out for you, Id go nuts with a 249 that only fired one round per trigger pull. |
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Ya, we bought them back in the 90's before the "M4" craze hit. This is more of a fun skills project than a real need for a belt feed LMG. I like the idea of thinking...Hmm I wonder if I can build that? Then building it. Plus I love the idea of seeing the look on people's faces when I pull this puppy out at the range. Where did you get that! OOOOOO I want one too.
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Jealousy is high...I repeat...jealousy is high!
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"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
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How are you refinishing it?
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It is mixed steel and aluminium so I will have to do a "direct to metal" paint finish. I like Duracote, Cerakote and even Brownell's baking lacquer works well. I will see what I have in the shop but I prefer to paint all the parts at one time for color and finsh match so there is no rush on paint. Prep-work is key on refinishing parts. You really have to take your time and use a professional airbrush. If you don't, it will look like hammered dog crap. I might go two-tone OD green and Matte Black, that might look cool.
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your work is awesome
i wish i had the tools to do a build like this. i would do it in heartbeat if i could. |
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Originally Posted By rncbinc:
It is mixed steel and aluminium so I will have to do a "direct to metal" paint finish. I like Duracote, Cerakote and even Brownell's baking lacquer works well. I will see what I have in the shop but I prefer to paint all the parts at one time for color and finsh match so there is no rush on paint. Prep-work is key on refinishing parts. You really have to take your time and use a professional airbrush. If you don't, it will look like hammered dog crap. I might go two-tone OD green and Matte Black, that might look cool. Forget dura coat, it has it's uses but that ain't it. For your purposes you want norrels moly resin. Your really better offending ittoUS Anodizing to have it anodized buy other than that, moly resin all the way. |
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What is the build up for that finish? It sounds similar to Brownells MollyCoat. I have used that before with good results. I like DuraCoat finishing for camo jobs but it is a heavy paint layer that does not like sharp edges. I prefer Brownells Baking Lacquer for things like lower receivers or Molly Coat for high wear areas like uppers. I would love to have this part anno'ed but I would have to remove the steel parts that have been press rivited into place. More trouble than it is worth.
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Awesome and TAG
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"Go where the fire is hottest." Gen. Joseph E. Johnston - July 21, 1861
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Originally Posted By NUcadet07:
Originally Posted By rncbinc:
It is mixed steel and aluminium so I will have to do a "direct to metal" paint finish. I like Duracote, Cerakote and even Brownell's baking lacquer works well. I will see what I have in the shop but I prefer to paint all the parts at one time for color and finsh match so there is no rush on paint. Prep-work is key on refinishing parts. You really have to take your time and use a professional airbrush. If you don't, it will look like hammered dog crap. I might go two-tone OD green and Matte Black, that might look cool. Forget dura coat, it has it's uses but that ain't it. For your purposes you want norrels moly resin. Your really better offending ittoUS Anodizing to have it anodized buy other than that, moly resin all the way. Plus one for Norrels. Have used it on aluminum and steel on hard use truck guns and it has held up well going on 6 years. |
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"Tell me something, if you had access to weapons grade anthrax, would you waste it on her? Let's go home."
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Update: My parts are still in the finishing stages at USMGA so hopefully they will ship out by the end of this month. I got 10 more belts of ammo linked up...this is going to be fun!
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Originally Posted By rncbinc:
What is the build up for that finish? It sounds similar to Brownells MollyCoat. I have used that before with good results. I like DuraCoat finishing for camo jobs but it is a heavy paint layer that does not like sharp edges. I prefer Brownells Baking Lacquer for things like lower receivers or Molly Coat for high wear areas like uppers. I would love to have this part anno'ed but I would have to remove the steel parts that have been press rivited into place. More trouble than it is worth. Sorry for not responding. Norrels goes on very thin and once it's baked on its hard and tough. |
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GIVE THEM NOTHING, BUT TAKE EVERYTHING!
AZ, USA
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Looking awesome so far. Tagged.
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Tennessee Squire
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That is freakin cool.
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Originally Posted By RustedAce:
Sometimes you just have to be a dick. Justice demands it. |
awesome project !!!!
looking forward to the next update |
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Well I got a call from Eric over at USMGA and he said most of my parts are in and would ship out Tue. next week. No SA trigger packs yet so I don't know if I should start the weld up of the receiver or wait. I could get as far as trunnion, rails, rear bridge then I would have to stop until the trigger pack was ready. Eric said they just got a big contract and would have to finish that first before working on any SA stuff. I will post more pictures when my parts arrive next week.
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Damn nice work so far, that's a hell of a project man
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You're my hero.
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It's not a war on drugs, it's a war on personal freedom is what it is ok. Keep that in mind at all times.
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The SAW gunner in me is drooling
I hate that even tho you went through all this effort its going to be stuck in semi auto |
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"You've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything"
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I like the way you think and do.
Originally Posted By rncbinc:
Ya, we bought them back in the 90's before the "M4" craze hit. This is more of a fun skills project than a real need for a belt feed LMG. I like the idea of thinking...Hmm I wonder if I can build that? Then building it. Plus I love the idea of seeing the look on people's faces when I pull this puppy out at the range. Where did you get that! OOOOOO I want one too. |
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WOW!
Is it normal I have a chubby from looking at the pic's? So f-n jealous |
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"I hate that even tho you went through all this effort its going to be stuck in semi auto"
My retirement gift to myself will be a registered auto-sear. |
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Originally Posted By rncbinc:
"I hate that even tho you went through all this effort its going to be stuck in semi auto" My retirement gift to myself will be a registered auto-sear. I approve this message! |
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Anything is possible, everything is temporary
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This is awesome on so many levels.
I have a 1919 semi belt fed I built, but this obviously takes a lot more work and is easier to carry around. |
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Remember Beslan, 9/11!
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Originally Posted By kbi:
WOW! Is it normal I have a chubby from looking at the pic's? So f-n jealous it would be abnormal if you didnt AWESOME project !!! |
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This is the coolest project I have ever seen...
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Knocking one out for the Ranger in the sky
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Your skills are very impressive sir!
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Nice work.
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Are you using an HK trigger pack? What trigger housing is that? |
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President Obama, I simply don't have enough middle fingers to show you how I truly feel...
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Yes, that is an HK trigger pack. The housing was designed and manufactured by Eric Grimes Phd. over at US Machinegun Amory. Currently it is SA only, but the housing will accept registered FA trigger packs or registered auto-sear ready packs. Once I have her up and running I will bite the bullet and get a registered sear or triggerpack.
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Originally Posted By rncbinc: Yes, that is an HK trigger pack. The housing was designed and manufactured by Eric Grimes Phd. over at US Machinegun Amory. Currently it is SA only, but the housing will accept registered FA trigger packs or registered auto-sear ready packs. Once I have her up and running I will bite the bullet and get a registered sear or triggerpack. insert <mother of god.img> |
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Anything is possible, everything is temporary
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Originally Posted By rncbinc:
Yes, that is an HK trigger pack. The housing was designed and manufactured by Eric Grimes Phd. over at US Machinegun Amory. Currently it is SA only, but the housing will accept registered FA trigger packs or registered auto-sear ready packs. Once I have her up and running I will bite the bullet and get a registered sear or triggerpack. Didn't ATF say that you can only use a MG sear for the gun it was originally intended for? Eg, you can't buy an FNC sear and figure out a way to use it in a SCAR. |
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Originally Posted By jtb33:
Originally Posted By rncbinc:
Yes, that is an HK trigger pack. The housing was designed and manufactured by Eric Grimes Phd. over at US Machinegun Amory. Currently it is SA only, but the housing will accept registered FA trigger packs or registered auto-sear ready packs. Once I have her up and running I will bite the bullet and get a registered sear or triggerpack. Didn't ATF say that you can only use a MG sear for the gun it was originally intended for? Eg, you can't buy an FNC sear and figure out a way to use it in a SCAR. FIFY And yes, from what has been published in the past, you CANT use a registered HK sear or trigger pack in a non HK roller lock gun, as that would make it a post sample. |
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Please, call me Joe
There is definitely something perverse about two men who carry guns 24/7 being so happy that others are giving theirs up. -happycynic Jack Ryan 2012 |
Bummer I guess I won't be buying a registered auto sear for this gun then.
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Then how are those commercial 249s sold that take the trigger packs?
Daniel |
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Originally Posted By taylor7401:
Then how are those commercial 249s sold that take the trigger packs? Daniel They use the semi-auto trigger packs. You just can't use a legally registered machine gun conversion device (Sear or trigger pack). |
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Please, call me Joe
There is definitely something perverse about two men who carry guns 24/7 being so happy that others are giving theirs up. -happycynic Jack Ryan 2012 |
Originally Posted By rncbinc:
Bummer I guess I won't be buying a registered auto sear for this gun then. Keep an eye on this thread I hope you will be able to put a FA trigger pack on someday. |
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Wish I seen yours before I started mine. Finally got there with a lot of moral support from Eric @ MGA.
Great job! |
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Awesome job man. Are you going for a stock appearance or are you going to refinish and add some custom touches that the military wouldn't allow a regular Joe to add?
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They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty.
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Originally Posted By Tested:
Awesome job man. Are you going for a stock appearance or are you going to refinish and add some custom touches that the military wouldn't allow a regular Joe to add? As a former SAW gunner myself, I'm not sure what you mean by custom touches, what could you add to it? |
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Originally Posted By NUcadet07:
Originally Posted By Tested:
Awesome job man. Are you going for a stock appearance or are you going to refinish and add some custom touches that the military wouldn't allow a regular Joe to add? As a former SAW gunner myself, I'm not sure what you mean by custom touches, what could you add to it? I'm thinking a different quality finish, better optic than an MGO, different or upgraded pistol grip, like he was saying a suppressor or flash supressor/muzzle break, maybe a better heat shield (better affixed), better bi-pod, maybe a surefire type light/laser combo, get creative, different stock than the para. Either that or just go old school and leave the old stock and make it all like the original SAW. Just throwing it out there. |
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They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty.
Benjamin Franklin |
mcbinc,
A few quick questions as you are progressing........ 1: Were the "Trunion" and "Inner-Rails" Heat-Treated (?).....and to what "specs"/RC-Hardness (?)......any plans on coating the "Rails" to resist wear (?). 2: What welding method will you be using (?) (IE: ...such as MIG, TIG, or (?).........(and possibly settings/wire-size/etc.). 3: What will be your sequence in welding the brackets onto the receiver to keep it from warping/twisting but still keep everything in-line (?).....and will any Heat-Treating be done afterwards such as dunking the assemblies into some type of liquid/etc...(?). 4: When you said that your receiver was "out-of-FN-Specs".........was it too short, or (?)....manufacturer (?)....................and do you still have the option of moving the rear-bridge forward slightly for top-cover fitment prior to welding (?). Looks like your project is really progressing along. Regards, RichardS in MI. US Army, Retired. |
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Originally Posted By Tested:
Originally Posted By NUcadet07:
Originally Posted By Tested:
Awesome job man. Are you going for a stock appearance or are you going to refinish and add some custom touches that the military wouldn't allow a regular Joe to add? As a former SAW gunner myself, I'm not sure what you mean by custom touches, what could you add to it? I'm thinking a different quality finish, better optic than an MGO, different or upgraded pistol grip, like he was saying a suppressor or flash supressor/muzzle break, maybe a better heat shield (better affixed), better bi-pod, maybe a surefire type light/laser combo, get creative, different stock than the para. Either that or just go old school and leave the old stock and make it all like the original SAW. Just throwing it out there. Gotcha, I only ask because mine had the new collapsible stock, an EoTech XPS 2-2, grip pod, PEQ-15, Surefire X200 LED, and I removed the new style bipod using the grip pod in its place to trade off the weight. I was pretty happy with mine all things considered. Im honestly not sure what I'd change with the exception of getting rid of the mag well, which he already did. |
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Originally Posted By RichardS:
mcbinc, A few quick questions as you are progressing........ 1: Were the "Trunion" and "Inner-Rails" Heat-Treated (?).....and to what "specs"/RC-Hardness (?)......any plans on coating the "Rails" to resist wear (?). 2: What welding method will you be using (?) (IE: ...such as MIG, TIG, or (?).........(and possibly settings/wire-size/etc.). 3: What will be your sequence in welding the brackets onto the receiver to keep it from warping/twisting but still keep everything in-line (?).....and will any Heat-Treating be done afterwards such as dunking the assemblies into some type of liquid/etc...(?). 4: When you said that your receiver was "out-of-FN-Specs".........was it too short, or (?)....manufacturer (?)....................and do you still have the option of moving the rear-bridge forward slightly for top-cover fitment prior to welding (?). Looks like your project is really progressing along. Regards, RichardS in MI. US Army, Retired. Indeed, the real SAW is chromed on the rails, any plans on doing something similar, maybe one of those new finishes with built in lubricity. |
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