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Posted: 1/20/2012 10:45:35 AM
I don't see them selling very many $1k barrels. I know some people will buy them but I doubt enough will pony up for that price
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Posted: 1/20/2012 2:29:47 PM
Well that just punched a hole in the SCAR project for me.

I would pay up to $400 for a new barrel of any length, but $1k, thats crazy talk.
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Posted: 1/20/2012 2:52:54 PM
Assuming this is a legit price quote, I'm just going to sit back and wait for the price to drop. Sooner or later, it will.
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Posted: 1/20/2012 3:02:16 PM
Since getting my SCAR I've been following any info on aftermarket barrel availability pretty closely and I have to honestly say if the barrels are a grand a pop I'd rather pay someone like ADCO or HiDesertDog one fourth or fifth of that to cut down my existing barrel.
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Posted: 1/20/2012 3:14:21 PM
Originally Posted By JsARCLIGHT:
Since getting my SCAR I've been following any info on aftermarket barrel availability pretty closely and I have to honestly say if the barrels are a grand a pop I'd rather pay someone like ADCO or HiDesertDog one fourth or fifth of that to cut down my existing barrel.

Dont worry to much, a freind of mine hit the FN booth at SHOT, they told him the same thing, but they said the price on barrels was yet to be detrimined, but they would be in or about what other comparable barrels go for which leaves allot for a price range though.

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Posted: 1/20/2012 3:53:30 PM
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Originally Posted By TheMercenary:
Originally Posted By ShortyB:
I spoke to two reps in the FN booth today at SHOT. They said that spare barrel assemblies will be available June 2012. They are manufactured in the USA.
Approximate cost is $1,000.00 retail. It will include 10.00, 14.? and 16 inch barrels.
Lets just hope it happens.
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FNH has lost there f**king mind...

I can understand the few barrels that have been available on GB selling for $800 because of the difficulty to obtain one... But 1k for a domestically made non-imported barrel is absolutely ridiculous

I would be in for a 10" CQC if $500 or less





Yeah.... THAT ain't gonna happen! This is FN we're talking about here!

$1000 is a bit high IMO, but not out of the question IF it includes all the gas block parts (regulator, piston, front sight) and the lower rail. $800 would be a better price point IMO.

Keep in mind that most of the gunbroker barrels come WITHOUT those parts.
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Posted: 1/20/2012 6:37:45 PM
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FNH has lost there f**king mind...

I can understand the few barrels that have been available on GB selling for $800 because of the difficulty to obtain one... But 1k for a domestically made non-imported barrel is absolutely ridiculous

I would be in for a 10" CQC if $500 or less


Yeah.... THAT ain't gonna happen! This is FN we're talking about here!

$1000 is a bit high IMO, but not out of the question IF it includes all the gas block parts (regulator, piston, front sight) and the lower rail. $800 would be a better price point IMO.

Keep in mind that most of the gunbroker barrels come WITHOUT those parts.


I understand that point of view also, however the barrels that have been going on gunbroker either came from parted out rifles or host import guns

That means that the supply is minimal and demand is very high

Given the relatively small number of SCAR enthusiast in the US, FNH making the barrels here domestically takes the supply problem out of the equation assuming that they make them in any sufficient numbers at all, and if FNH ever wants to have the SCAR gain popularity in the market then replacement parts at a affordable price is a must IMHO

Seems to me that FNH would be "shooting themselves in the foot" by price gouging the replacement barrels. Look at the FNH CHF AR15 barrels sold by PSA for $189.95

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ar-15-05/upper-parts/psa-16-hf-cl-mp-m4-barrel.html

The manufacturing process for the SCAR barrel is going to be the same as for the AR15 barrels with the exception of a different program for the contour and a different extension/trunion, You cant tell me that the piston assy and lower rail would cost $800

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Posted: 1/20/2012 7:01:59 PM
The $1,000.00 quote was Suggested Retail for a complete barrel assembly. That is a complete with every thing that is on your barrel now.
All you will need to do is unscrew the 6 screws and install. No need to transfer any parts.
I agree its expensive. But they own the market at this time and can ask what they want.
I have already had Marvin cut my barrel, so I don't need the 10 inch barrel. My thinking is if I need a non-NFA SCAR I may buy another SCAR.
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Posted: 1/20/2012 7:14:39 PM
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I will pay $1000 for a complete 20" barrel ready to drop in my SCAR 17. Would make a neat comparison to my SR-25 to see how it does. I would like it to have a target crown (plane end).
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Posted: 1/21/2012 8:56:48 AM
Yeah 1,000 is crazy talk BUT if it truely is just drop in assembly then I will be hopefully getting one if/when the prices drop a little. I'd love to have the option.... At least they are finally talking about it.
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Posted: 1/21/2012 9:30:31 AM
1k is a little much, hopefully we will see them well under that at retail. I'll be getting one either way as I have a pending stamp on a 17s but don't want to be stuck with a 13" only barrel.
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Posted: 1/21/2012 10:53:50 AM
Marvin cut down my barrel to the 10" length. So if the 14.5 is a drop in replacement, I would pay 600 to 750 for it just to have. But at a grand, no way. FN really needs to do some customer resaearch before they go to market at that price. Do they really think some one would pay nearly 50% the cost of the rifle for a barrel.
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Posted: 1/21/2012 3:37:10 PM
I can't remember where, but I saw a parts cost replacement sheet for a SCAR for the .mil and the barrel assembly was in the $250 range.. $1000 is purely civilian privilege fuckery.
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Posted: 1/22/2012 1:36:11 PM
Originally Posted By Friendly_Crusader:
I can't remember where, but I saw a parts cost replacement sheet for a SCAR for the .mil and the barrel assembly was in the $250 range.. $1000 is purely civilian privilege fuckery.


That sounds more like it, but will the civilians ever see that...? Probably not.

But I think I'm done with the scar, if this is how FN wants to play I'm done.
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Posted: 1/22/2012 3:34:47 PM

Originally Posted By WI57:
Originally Posted By Friendly_Crusader:
I can't remember where, but I saw a parts cost replacement sheet for a SCAR for the .mil and the barrel assembly was in the $250 range.. $1000 is purely civilian privilege fuckery.


That sounds more like it, but will the civilians ever see that...? Probably not.

But I think I'm done with the scar, if this is how FN wants to play I'm done.
So is it a SCAR 16, or 17 that you will be selling? FDE, or Black?

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Posted: 1/22/2012 5:45:48 PM

Originally Posted By JsARCLIGHT:
Since getting my SCAR I've been following any info on aftermarket barrel availability pretty closely and I have to honestly say if the barrels are a grand a pop I'd rather pay someone like ADCO or HiDesertDog one fourth or fifth of that to cut down my existing barrel.

I did just that with ADCO and had them put a shoulder on it like the factory length. 160$ round trip.
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Posted: 1/23/2012 8:00:29 AM
Originally Posted By WI57:
Originally Posted By Friendly_Crusader:
I can't remember where, but I saw a parts cost replacement sheet for a SCAR for the .mil and the barrel assembly was in the $250 range.. $1000 is purely civilian privilege fuckery.


That sounds more like it, but will the civilians ever see that...? Probably not.

But I think I'm done with the scar, if this is how FN wants to play I'm done.


If you expect to get barrel assemblies in teh $250 range, you're just being unrealistic.

Take a look at the prices for quality uppers these days. This isn't that far out of line. If the street price is $800, they'll sell a ton of them.

You didn't buy a SCAR thinking it was a "budget" rifle, didya?
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Posted: 1/23/2012 8:10:46 AM
Quality barrels and quality uppers are not the same thing. You're also paying for that upper receiver and $300ish rail.

I won't cry about the price yet because it hasn't even been released and we don't even know the actual price or if that $1k number is MSRP or what. Two weeks ago, people were upset that FN was never going to release them. Now they're upset that FN is releasing them but the price is too high. If MSRP is $1k but they actually sell for $700, that's not completely crazy.

I'll wait until actual barrels hit the street before I really freak out about the price.
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Posted: 1/23/2012 8:38:43 AM
Originally Posted By scoutfsu99:
Quality barrels and quality uppers are not the same thing. You're also paying for that upper receiver and $300ish rail.

I won't cry about the price yet because it hasn't even been released and we don't even know the actual price or if that $1k number is MSRP or what. Two weeks ago, people were upset that FN was never going to release them. Now they're upset that FN is releasing them but the price is too high. If MSRP is $1k but they actually sell for $700, that's not completely crazy.

I'll wait until actual barrels hit the street before I really freak out about the price.


I'm telling ya, it'll be at least $750 street price.

I'd argue there's very little difference bwtween a quality upper and quality barrel assembly. What's the difference? A $50 piece of aluminum? The rail system issue can be argued, and it's a good point. You only get the bottom rail with the barrel assembly. But there's a lot of cost in the gas block assembly, compared to an AR. Look at what an LWRCi piston AR upper costs for a comparison. If you take out the cost of the rail system and the upper reciver (let's call it $400) and the rear BUIS (say, $125), you're still talking about an MSRP of over $1300. By that measure, $1000 for a SCAR barrel assembly ain't too bad! And $800 is starting to look like a bargain! Even PWS uppers are $1200 bucks. Take off $400 for the rail and upper, but add $100 for the front BUIS, and they're sitting at $900.

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Posted: 1/23/2012 9:02:39 AM
That's an odd numbers game.. Here's mine

FNH m4 barrels are $200-$250 from PSA, and other manufacturers. A folding FSB/gas block is $100-$200 depending on manufacturer. and a custom, one sided picatinny rail should be $100-$120

So really it shouldn't be more than $500-$650. Please also consider that the MSRP for an FS2000 top rail is $732, that's 14" of aluminum, picatinny stock. Even a low output machines hop wouldn't charge near that. FNH is smoking something on some of these prices.
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Posted: 1/23/2012 9:14:01 AM
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Originally Posted By Friendly_Crusader:
That's an odd numbers game.. Here's mine

FNH m4 barrels are $200-$250 from PSA, and other manufacturers. A folding FSB/gas block is $100-$200 depending on manufacturer. and a custom, one sided picatinny rail should be $100-$120

So really it shouldn't be more than $500-$650. Please also consider that the MSRP for an FS2000 top rail is $732, that's 14" of aluminum, picatinny stock. Even a low output machines hop wouldn't charge near that. FNH is smoking something on some of these prices.
tell you guys what. I'll look up the price of an M240B barrel today and let you know what Uncle Same is paying for it. That way you KNOW you're getting bent over by FN for a barrel.

$1K barrels is ridiculous.

ETA: $841 for a M240G/N barrel I couldn't find it for the Bravo. That's a carry handle, gas regulator, Flash hider and front sight.

So, given that the scar would only need a gas block, yeah, 1k is still ridiculous.
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Posted: 1/23/2012 9:51:24 AM
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Originally Posted By Friendly_Crusader:
That's an odd numbers game.. Here's mine

FNH m4 barrels are $200-$250 from PSA, and other manufacturers. A folding FSB/gas block is $100-$200 depending on manufacturer. and a custom, one sided picatinny rail should be $100-$120

So really it shouldn't be more than $500-$650. Please also consider that the MSRP for an FS2000 top rail is $732, that's 14" of aluminum, picatinny stock. Even a low output machines hop wouldn't charge near that. FNH is smoking something on some of these prices.


You missed the piston, the piston rings, the gas regulator, the gas regulator screw, the mechanism for adjusting front sight windage, and the muzzle device.
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Posted: 1/23/2012 10:16:15 AM
Originally Posted By Strongbow:
Originally Posted By Friendly_Crusader:
That's an odd numbers game.. Here's mine

FNH m4 barrels are $200-$250 from PSA, and other manufacturers. A folding FSB/gas block is $100-$200 depending on manufacturer. and a custom, one sided picatinny rail should be $100-$120

So really it shouldn't be more than $500-$650. Please also consider that the MSRP for an FS2000 top rail is $732, that's 14" of aluminum, picatinny stock. Even a low output machines hop wouldn't charge near that. FNH is smoking something on some of these prices.


You missed the piston, the piston rings, the gas regulator, the gas regulator screw, the mechanism for adjusting front sight windage, and the muzzle device.


Comparing a 240 barrel assy or 249 barrel assy to the SCAR barrel assy is more in line than the previous arguements of a AR barrel assy. Very similar parts list, amount of machining; Id say $800-1000 is fair. I would expect a barrel assy for one of the other MG's to a private individual to be significantly highter than $850 since you are only buying 1 or 2, while uncle sam contracted 250k or more. Comparing our price to the mil price is unrealistic.
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Posted: 1/23/2012 11:42:27 AM
Originally Posted By Strongbow:
Originally Posted By Friendly_Crusader:
That's an odd numbers game.. Here's mine

FNH m4 barrels are $200-$250 from PSA, and other manufacturers. A folding FSB/gas block is $100-$200 depending on manufacturer. and a custom, one sided picatinny rail should be $100-$120

So really it shouldn't be more than $500-$650. Please also consider that the MSRP for an FS2000 top rail is $732, that's 14" of aluminum, picatinny stock. Even a low output machines hop wouldn't charge near that. FNH is smoking something on some of these prices.


You missed the piston, the piston rings, the gas regulator, the gas regulator screw, the mechanism for adjusting front sight windage, and the muzzle device.


Ok so

Piston $26
Gas plug(gas regulator) $31
Piston ring $2 each
Gas control screw $5
Don't know front sight or muzzle device, but the muzzle device is optional.

I'm not trying to argue at all, I'm just saying $1000 is pretty hefty. It is expected to be that way though as an ar15 is a surplus gun wiover something like 100 manufacturers of parts and accessories, and the SCAR is at 1 for parts and 2-3 for accessories
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Comparing a 240 barrel assy or 249 barrel assy to the SCAR barrel assy is more in line than the previous arguements of a AR barrel assy. Very similar parts list, amount of machining; Id say $800-1000 is fair. I would expect a barrel assy for one of the other MG's to a private individual to be significantly highter than $850 since you are only buying 1 or 2, while uncle sam contracted 250k or more. Comparing our price to the mil price is unrealistic.


There are m249 barrels like new or excellent condition for $200-500 on Sturmgewher all the time
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