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Posted: 1/11/2012 11:16:04 AM EST
Had my From 1 for a while now and tried sending it off to ADCO, but they returned it saying they were not going to be doing any threading for a while and made me eat $40 in shipping, so I will not do business with them again.

Is there anyone else out there who will cut a barrel? My local smith will install a new barrel for $100 but it will cost $300 to buy a new barrel from CMMG. So $400 is rediculous IMHO. His reasoning is that the chrome lining will flake.

So who will do a cut and thread? this includes the prices of removing the barrel.
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Posted: 1/11/2012 11:41:38 AM EST
I used TROS a while back. I think it was $45.00



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Posted: 1/11/2012 11:58:55 AM EST

Originally Posted By ezielinski:
I used TROS a while back. I think it was $45.00

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l88/GreenvilleRoute/Shooting/226461_2055347429828_1428853993_32387903_3396579_n.jpg


Yes but what did they do? People told me that ADCO only charge $75 to cut and thread, but when I sent it in they told me it was an additional $100 to pull the barrel.
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Posted: 1/11/2012 12:07:24 PM EST
do you not have tools to pull barrel?
i always pull a barrel before sending to ADCO...keeps prices good for me.
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Posted: 1/11/2012 2:56:20 PM EST

Originally Posted By d13s3l:
do you not have tools to pull barrel?
i always pull a barrel before sending to ADCO...keeps prices good for me.

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Posted: 1/11/2012 3:13:43 PM EST
Careful, a Form 1 means you have to do the work your self. You can't send it out to have it done... Might have been what the hang-up was.

I got a CMMG barrel - cut the old one off near the muzzle/break - right through the shroud (That pin ate 2 carbide bits... cutting it was much easier) - this way I could use the CMMG thread adapter for my suppressor.

I made my own wrenches - bought some cheapies and ground them down to the thickness required.

Good luck.
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Posted: 1/11/2012 6:17:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By CBPO:
Careful, a Form 1 means you have to do the work your self. You can't send it out to have it done... Might have been what the hang-up was.



The hangup was that their smith was sick and would not be back for several months. Any class 3 dealer/manufacturer should be able to do the work.


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Posted: 1/11/2012 6:45:06 PM EST
Originally Posted By CBPO:
Careful, a Form 1 means you have to do the work your self. You can't send it out to have it done... Might have been what the hang-up was.

I got a CMMG barrel - cut the old one off near the muzzle/break - right through the shroud (That pin ate 2 carbide bits... cutting it was much easier) - this way I could use the CMMG thread adapter for my suppressor.

I made my own wrenches - bought some cheapies and ground them down to the thickness required.

Good luck.


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Posted: 1/11/2012 6:50:15 PM EST
Form 1 means you have to do the work? Simply not true. Below is straight from the TROS website:

If you already have a PS90 and have an approved Form 1 send us the barrel ONLY, along with a copy of the approved Form 1, and we will cut and crown the barrel, thread it M12x1 LEFT HAND and ship it back to you with a thread adapter for you to install in your receiver. The cost for this conversion is currently $167.00 and does NOT include engraving the receiver. Under Current BATFE regulations if you do the Form 1 conversion your name, city and state must be engraved on the receiver in plain sight in letters at least 1/16ā€¯ high and at least .003 deep.
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Posted: 1/12/2012 9:19:31 AM EST
You sent them the whole rifle when what you should have done was cut through the barrel and shroud right behind the blind pin so the barrel will just slide out. Then you just send the barrel off to be shortended to the proper length and threaded.
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Posted: 1/12/2012 9:22:03 AM EST
Originally Posted By CBPO:
Careful, a Form 1 means you have to do the work your self. You can't send it out to have it done... Might have been what the hang-up was.



Baloney!
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Posted: 1/12/2012 10:19:29 AM EST
Originally Posted By brazos609:
You sent them the whole rifle when what you should have done was cut through the barrel and shroud right behind the blind pin so the barrel will just slide out. Then you just send the barrel off to be shortended to the proper length and threaded.


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Posted: 1/12/2012 5:30:31 PM EST
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"baloney!" - thanks...

Let me clarify - Above I said that someone couldn't do the work for you on a Form 1 - I meant modify the weapon as a whole. They can modify a barrel for you - no problem - detached from the weapon - but they cannot "assemble" the SBR. Did I read wrong, or did he not say he sent the receiver with barrel attached? He said he didn't have "tools to pull the barrel" leading me to believe it was still attached.

Am I wrong on this? Feel free to jump all over me again.
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Posted: 1/12/2012 6:25:26 PM EST
Originally Posted By CBPO:
"baloney!" - thanks...

Let me clarify - Above I said that someone couldn't do the work for you on a Form 1 - I meant modify the weapon as a whole. They can modify a barrel for you - no problem - detached from the weapon - but they cannot "assemble" the SBR. Did I read wrong, or did he not say he sent the receiver with barrel attached? He said he didn't have "tools to pull the barrel" leading me to believe it was still attached.

Am I wrong on this? Feel free to jump all over me again.


Yes, you are wrong. You can have a Form 1 approved and have someone build the rifle for you.
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Posted: 1/12/2012 7:02:07 PM EST
Then I am apparently mis-informed - Right from the NFA themselves. Agent Snook to be specific - concerning my Mp5 build. The original builder was marked in the "other markings" section of the Form 1 - which prompted a call from her warning me about farming out the work - and to make sure that I in fact was the one assembling the SBR.

Strange that they would do that - or care so much - if it isn't so.

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Posted: 1/12/2012 7:15:53 PM EST
If YOU submit the form 1, YOU are the builder. You can send the barrel out to have it shortened, you can't have someone else assemble it into an NFA item.



So hack the barrel shorter than 16" and it's an SBR.
Then send it out to have it cut and crowned correctly.
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Posted: 1/12/2012 7:19:56 PM EST
Originally Posted By CBPO:
Then I am apparently mis-informed - Right from the NFA themselves. Agent Snook to be specific - concerning my Mp5 build. The original builder was marked in the "other markings" section of the Form 1 - which prompted a call from her warning me about farming out the work - and to make sure that I in fact was the one assembling the SBR.

Strange that they would do that - or care so much - if it isn't so.



Sounds like you didn't fill in your Form 1 correctly. Why would you put that in "Other markings"?
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Posted: 1/12/2012 7:58:51 PM EST
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See Sparky, that is how I understood it as well.
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Posted: 1/12/2012 8:02:22 PM EST
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tctlrld - I was told to by a class 3 I asked for assistance to make sure I completed it correctly.

It is another marking that was engraved, non-factory - therefore falls under said category.

It cleared, so I doubt it was completely "wrong."

I guess I was misinformed by the ATF/NFA, as well as the local class 3... Would have been easier to farm out that Mp5.

Oh well, 3 form 1's later and I've got 3 SBR's - so it worked out I guess.

I guess it made sense to me when they told me so I didn't queston it - Form 1 filed by manufacturer (me) - so I would have to put it together. Otherwise the shop would file the Form 1 and transfer it to me on a form 4...

Sorry for the misinformation guys - I feel just as misled.

*** Update *** I called the NFA - not much more clarification there. Called my buddy Jeff, a class 3 - he said it is possible and I stand corrected. As long as the business holds a Type 2 license. Wish I would have known before I spent money and time on my own tools, etc - would have been nice not to frig with that Mp5.
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Posted: 1/13/2012 6:48:05 AM EST
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I can do it. If you have to send the gun, do it with the form 1. A dremel and a cuttoff wheel will save you some money. I also require you to purchase and include the flash hider or adapter of your choice with the shipment. Price goes up a little for the work since I have to cut the barrel off and the return shipping is quite a bit higher. PM me if you're interested.

Here's the last one I did next to a real deal P90 barrel.

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Posted: 1/13/2012 7:22:47 AM EST
CPBO, you are correct about being misled by the ATF. They say, and write things about law and policy that are conflicting all the time,

It is better to ask a few people like Tony-K of the class 3 sub-forum and build a consensus from information gathered there and abroad. The ATF can often lead you astray.
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Posted: 1/13/2012 7:51:03 AM EST
I see that now - I'm not going to lie - I was pretty anger driven last night, so I appologize if I offended anyone with my persistance. You would think that the agent would steer you right when it comes to their specialty. I know I don't say sh#t at work unless I know it as fact. Opens you up to liability - and also makes you look like a dumb-ass.

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Posted: 1/13/2012 7:59:08 AM EST
Even though this thread is a bit derailed, does anyone have the SBR barrel specs for cut/threading?
Originally Posted By hoodonit00: I think some of you guys could suck the fun out of a machine gun shoot.
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Posted: 1/13/2012 2:45:37 PM EST
check your pm's
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Originally Posted By TurkeyLeg:
check your pm's


Appreciate it thank you.
Originally Posted By hoodonit00: I think some of you guys could suck the fun out of a machine gun shoot.
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Posted: 1/13/2012 5:26:37 PM EST
Ok I will see if I can take it over to my parent's place and use my father's tools to pull the barrel.

If that is possible, who is the cheapest out there to cut and engrave?
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