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Posted: 11/27/2011 12:31:07 PM

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I have a SCAR 16 that has less than 400 rounds through it. While cleaning it, I noticed the bolt has some unusual wear / peening on the locking lugs. Compared to a friend's SCAR that has well over 1000 rounds through it, I believe this wear is somewhat concerning. Has anyone else seen or heard of problems like this? Ammo used has been M193, magazines have been the issued FN and modified PMags.

I called FN's service department and they instructed me to send it back. $46 in shipping later, I hope they fix it! I really enjoy shooting this rifle!

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Posted: 11/27/2011 1:05:43 PM
Yikes, hopefully they will knock the burs off the chamber and give you a new bolt
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Posted: 11/27/2011 5:33:23 PM
Are you using PMAG's?
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Posted: 11/27/2011 5:45:02 PM
Originally Posted By baergunner:
Are you using PMAG's?


OP said he is using modified pmags.


Originally Posted By Henny:
I have a SCAR 16 that has less than 400 rounds through it. While cleaning it, I noticed the bolt has some unusual wear / peening on the locking lugs. Compared to a friend's SCAR that has well over 1000 rounds through it, I believe this wear is somewhat concerning. Has anyone else seen or heard of problems like this? Ammo used has been M193, magazines have been the issued FN and modified PMags.

I called FN's service department and they instructed me to send it back. $46 in shipping later, I hope they fix it! I really enjoy shooting this rifle!

My digital picture taking skills aren't the best.

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Posted: 11/27/2011 5:55:42 PM
Make sure you relieved the PMAG's enough. Not enough material removed still causes the bolt release to rise, especially if firing in prone with mags resting on the ground.
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Posted: 11/27/2011 6:38:42 PM
As already suggested, check ALL your mags to insure the LRBHO catch is not hitting your mags. Most of my mags (yes, milspec mags as well) needed a little filing or tweaking.
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Posted: 11/27/2011 6:59:25 PM
Yes, I modified all my PMags and rechecked all of them. There is no wear at all on my bolt hold open device. Here is a picture of my BHO. As yo can see it still looks like it's out of the box from the factory. (These pictures are from my PMag modification thread)






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Posted: 11/28/2011 1:48:17 PM
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My bolt was hitting the r.h. rear of the PMag, and as a matter of fact, I can see where yours is hitting also. Take the PMag apart and install it in your SCAR and while putting pressure on the mag up, then work the bolt. You can feel it hit. If it doesn't hit, try pressure up and to the left, work the bolt, then up and to the right, work the bolt. You get the idea. Use a felt tip marker all around the rear of the feed lips and the lips themselves. I finally went back to G.I. mags, and all my bolt wear stopped.
Edit to add that I am saddened that mine does not like the Pmags, as they are great for everything else I shoot. When I get the time I am going to work my PMags on the r.h. side one by one until they are all good to go.
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Posted: 11/28/2011 4:12:41 PM
I wish I could try that, but my rifle is on its way back or is at the factory. That's interesting. When I get it back I'll give it a try. Was your bolt getting the same type of impact wear?
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Posted: 11/28/2011 4:15:38 PM
$46 bucks to send a bolt back?
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Posted: 11/28/2011 4:54:21 PM
Originally Posted By effinNewGuy:
$46 bucks to send a bolt back?


No, they wanted the whole rifle. I'd imagine they want to see what the bolt is hitting and to see if something is out of specification.
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Posted: 11/28/2011 5:08:53 PM
Did you sent them a P Mag with it?
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Posted: 11/28/2011 6:46:29 PM
I called FN's service department and they instructed me to send it back. $46 in shipping later.

That's odd. When I returned my SCAR earlier this year, FN sent me a prepaid shipping label.
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Posted: 11/28/2011 7:39:54 PM
Originally Posted By Cawdor:
I called FN's service department and they instructed me to send it back. $46 in shipping later.

That's odd. When I returned my SCAR earlier this year, FN sent me a prepaid shipping label.





That's par for the course. That's usually the way things work for me!
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Posted: 11/28/2011 7:44:49 PM
Originally Posted By albatrossarmament:
Did you sent them a P Mag with it?


No I didn't. I rarely used Pmags with this rifle. But I wouldn't be telling the truth if I said I never used one in the rifle. I used maybe 5 or 7 Pmags in it, as in 5 to 7 times Pmags have been inserted and shot out of the rifle.
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Posted: 11/28/2011 7:56:15 PM
Originally Posted By Cawdor:
I called FN's service department and they instructed me to send it back. $46 in shipping later.

That's odd. When I returned my SCAR earlier this year, FN sent me a prepaid shipping label.


Ever since Bob Ailes "left", FNH customer service has been far less than stellar, Sigs might actually be better now.
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Posted: 11/28/2011 11:30:34 PM
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Yes, the same bolt wear, but much more pronounced than yours. As the wear is in the front of the bolt, I don't see where this will harm anything. So long as the lugs lock evenly on the back everything should be ok. I polished the metal that was raised up, down, switched mags to G.I. with the Magpul follower and all has been well for 600+ rounds so far. One more thing to keep in mind. plastic feed lips have little friction, and don't resist the cartridge as it is pushed out of the mag. In other words, the bolt is not slowed down near as much with a Magpul as it is with a mag with steel or aluminum lips, so bolt speed is up. I run mine with M193 5.56, and I run it on the suppressor gas adjustment, so this keeps the bolt speed down. With Russian or .223, then I set the gas knob straight up, as it is not very powerful ammo. FN absolutely has to set the gas system so that these rifles will use any of the most common ammunition, so I expect they are a little over gassed on purpose. With a military only rifle, it is much easier to set the gas jet size, as only 5.56 eq. ammo will be used.
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Posted: 2/10/2012 2:33:38 PM
Just an update to this old thread. Initially FN replaced my bolt and carrier. When they retested the rifle something was obviously wrong. They ended up replacing the whole rifle. So after about 3 months I got a new rifle.

I hope I don't have any problems with this one!


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Posted: 2/10/2012 5:25:26 PM
Well cool, I guess in the end that's not bad service.
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Posted: 2/10/2012 10:20:46 PM

Originally Posted By albatrossarmament:
Well cool, I guess in the end that's not bad service.

Yeah, I have to admit, I was a little upset that my SCAR was messed up, considering what you pay for them, but in the end they made things right.
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Good for you that you got a new rifle instead of the old "send it back 3-4 times" mess.
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Posted: 4/18/2012 11:11:07 PM
I'm glad I saw this thread recently after getting my SCAR. Checked my PMAGs (after firing maybe 60rds through it) and saw the same issue with the bolt catch. USGI for my SCAR from now on, since I don't feel like modding my PMAGs.
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Posted: 4/18/2012 11:13:50 PM
Modding a PMag takes all of about 15-30 seconds. I wouldn't let it stop you from using them. I've had no issues with my second SCAR and PMags.
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Posted: 4/18/2012 11:24:10 PM
Originally Posted By Henny:
Modding a PMag takes all of about 15-30 seconds. I wouldn't let it stop you from using them. I've had no issues with my second SCAR and PMags.


I understand that. I've got plenty of both, so I'll just be dedicating the USGIs to the SCAR for now.
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Posted: 4/19/2012 1:59:29 PM
The bolt lug hitting the extension on the way in could be a sign of an improperly installed barrel.

Have you ever removed your barrel ? Do you have a torque wrench? 62 inch-pounds on all 6 bolts.

More than a few mk16s had barrels installed improperly right from FN. They were just screwed on without proper or equal torque.
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Posted: 4/19/2012 4:28:36 PM

Originally Posted By Homeinvader:
The bolt lug hitting the extension on the way in could be a sign of an improperly installed barrel.

Have you ever removed your barrel ? Do you have a torque wrench? 62 inch-pounds on all 6 bolts.

More than a few mk16s had barrels installed improperly right from FN. They were just screwed on without proper or equal torque.
The first time I had removed my barrel is when I took it apart to send back to the factory. The one thing I know is they initially replaced the bolt / bolt carrier assembly. When It went for test firing it failed. After that they replaced the whole gun. I'm guessing it had something to do with the upper receiver.

I know another member, JoeCoastie in this thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_24/368870_Overgassed_SCAR_.html more than likely had to remove his barrel to get it shortened. I feel bad for the guy after spending all that time and money to SBR his rifle, the rifle is beating its self up!

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