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Posted: 3/11/2016 10:26:44 PM EDT
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I'll get you started - you're looking at around $30k (might come with a host gun or not), and they don't come up for sale very often these days.
As a result of scarcity, you may not have a choice when shopping for a particular maker or brand - and have to just take what's on offer. FWIW, any steel body DIAS is probably fine, and the trips/pins/springs can be replaced if they're not to your immediate liking. |
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Posted: 3/11/2016 10:55:50 PM EDT
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I'm a long time fan and learned a lot from you, Circuits.
The reason I started this thread was... *Drum Roll Please* ...I just spent freaking $32K for John Norrell Steel Drop In Auto Sear. You guys told me not to sell my 2 RLL, so I had to gather some extra cash and brought one instead of. Eventually, I need to sell my semi-auto collection to make up the money that I just spent. Still not sure why I even spent that much cash on a single purchase. Really kicking my head for not buying that steel DIAS at about 2 yrs ago for $26K... oh well, the "I wish I brought it" story goes on. Anyway, I used to be HK full-auto guy and just not familiar with DIAS. I searched the web but couldn't find much info on John Norrell Steel Drop In Auto Sear or other steel DIAS in general and I thought I should ask the board. At least I would like to know how many John Norrell Steel DIAS out there and about its quality compare to other steel DIAS. Also, interested to learn about the total# of steel DIAS out there today. Many thanks in advance. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'll get you started - you're looking at around $30k (might come with a host gun or not), and they don't come up for sale very often these days. As a result of scarcity, you may not have a choice when shopping for a particular maker or brand - and have to just take what's on offer. FWIW, any steel body DIAS is probably fine, and the trips/pins/springs can be replaced if they're not to your immediate liking. |
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Posted: 3/12/2016 12:54:01 AM EDT
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I'm a long time fan and learned a lot from you, Circuits. The reason I started this thread was... *Drum Roll Please* ...I just spent freaking $32K for John Norrell Steel Drop In Auto Sear. Well, thanks.  And for what it's worth, I have a lot of respect for John Norrell's works - his creations and conversions. I don't know if a Norrell DIAS is the absolute best out there to be had, but it's certainly up near the top in my estimation.
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Posted: 3/12/2016 3:08:15 AM EDT
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Dear God! $32K on a RDIAS!? They aren't worth that yet are they? I've seen two for sale for $25k and $28k on sturm recently. Just curious.
Either way, it's not like you paid too much if they aren't $32k yet. You just paid early ;) When I paid $16k for my 1st one in 2012 off sturm everyone said I was an idiot......... I have no idea to the answer of your questions though sorry. All I can say is enjoy the sear! they are a blast and one of the best M16s to own! 2 Lightning links too? You the man!!!! Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'm a long time fan and learned a lot from you, Circuits. The reason I started this thread was... *Drum Roll Please* ...I just spent freaking $32K for John Norrell Steel Drop In Auto Sear. You guys told me not to sell my 2 RLL, so I had to gather some extra cash and brought one instead of. Eventually, I need to sell my semi-auto collection to make up the money that I just spent. Still not sure why I even spent that much cash on a single purchase. Really kicking my head for not buying that steel DIAS at about 2 yrs ago for $26K... oh well, the "I wish I brought it" story goes on. Anyway, I used to be HK full-auto guy and just not familiar with DIAS. I searched the web but couldn't find much info on John Norrell Steel Drop In Auto Sear or other steel DIAS in general and I thought I should ask the board. At least I would like to know how many John Norrell Steel DIAS out there and about its quality compare to other steel DIAS. Also, interested to learn about the total# of steel DIAS out there today. Many thanks in advance. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'm a long time fan and learned a lot from you, Circuits. The reason I started this thread was... *Drum Roll Please* ...I just spent freaking $32K for John Norrell Steel Drop In Auto Sear. You guys told me not to sell my 2 RLL, so I had to gather some extra cash and brought one instead of. Eventually, I need to sell my semi-auto collection to make up the money that I just spent. Still not sure why I even spent that much cash on a single purchase. Really kicking my head for not buying that steel DIAS at about 2 yrs ago for $26K... oh well, the "I wish I brought it" story goes on. Anyway, I used to be HK full-auto guy and just not familiar with DIAS. I searched the web but couldn't find much info on John Norrell Steel Drop In Auto Sear or other steel DIAS in general and I thought I should ask the board. At least I would like to know how many John Norrell Steel DIAS out there and about its quality compare to other steel DIAS. Also, interested to learn about the total# of steel DIAS out there today. Many thanks in advance. Quoted:
I'll get you started - you're looking at around $30k (might come with a host gun or not), and they don't come up for sale very often these days. As a result of scarcity, you may not have a choice when shopping for a particular maker or brand - and have to just take what's on offer. FWIW, any steel body DIAS is probably fine, and the trips/pins/springs can be replaced if they're not to your immediate liking. |
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Posted: 3/12/2016 8:23:04 AM EDT
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Yeah, I deserved to get stoned for spending $32K on a tiny piece of metal.
I've seen Aluminum DIAS for for $25K range recently and Steel DIAS for $30K. I thought if I wanted to spend that much cash, why not add a little more and get the steel DIAS. Too many scammers out there lately, especially on Sturm and I just brought it from a dealer who I purchased before. My friend also thinks I'm a "mad man"... we will see who's crazier by this Christmas. Quote HistoryDear God! $32K on a RDIAS!? They aren't worth that yet are they? I've seen two for sale for $25k and $28k on sturm recently. Just curious. Either way, it's not like you paid too much if they aren't $32k yet. You just paid early ;) When I paid $16k for my 1st one in 2012 off sturm everyone said I was an idiot......... I have no idea to the answer of your questions though sorry. All I can say is enjoy the sear! they are a blast and one of the best M16s to own! 2 Lightning links too? You the man!!!! |
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Posted: 3/12/2016 8:26:24 AM EDT
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OP, nothing wrong with spending a few more $$ for peace of mind.
Any photos? |
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Posted: 3/12/2016 8:43:25 AM EDT
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Ballistics in Wallingford CT made quite a few. All Steel
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Posted: 3/12/2016 8:48:08 AM EDT
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I will post some close up pic as soon as I get it.
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OP, nothing wrong with spending a few more $$ for peace of mind. Any photos? |
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Posted: 3/12/2016 10:02:03 AM EDT
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The Norrell name will probably command a premium for many years to come. You could always ask him how many he made.
My bud paid a premium for a Colt A1 from Norrell over a decade ago - because of the man's reputation, I suppose it was worth it to pay a little extra even though Norrell wasn't the mfr. FWIW, my steel RDIAS is from 'C-Ray Systems' or Charles Ray. It works great. |
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Posted: 3/12/2016 10:05:37 AM EDT
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That's good to know.
I found a intersting read about John Norrell... looks like he was a genius. http://www.smallarmsreview.com/display.article.cfm?idarticles=3168 Quote HistoryQuoted:
The Norrell name will probably command a premium for many years to come. You could always ask him how many he made. My bud paid a premium for a Colt A1 from Norrell over a decade ago - because of the man's reputation, I suppose it was worth it to pay a little extra even though Norrell wasn't the mfr. FWIW, my steel RDIAS is from 'C-Ray Systems' or Charles Ray. It works great. |
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Posted: 3/12/2016 11:22:30 AM EDT
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That's good to know.
I found a intersting read about John Norrell... looks like he was a genius. http://www.smallarmsreview.com/display.article.cfm?idarticles=3168 Quote HistoryQuoted:
That's good to know.
I found a intersting read about John Norrell... looks like he was a genius. http://www.smallarmsreview.com/display.article.cfm?idarticles=3168 Quoted:
The Norrell name will probably command a premium for many years to come. You could always ask him how many he made. My bud paid a premium for a Colt A1 from Norrell over a decade ago - because of the man's reputation, I suppose it was worth it to pay a little extra even though Norrell wasn't the mfr. FWIW, my steel RDIAS is from 'C-Ray Systems' or Charles Ray. It works great. Fantastic article. |
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Posted: 3/12/2016 2:01:02 PM EDT
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Excellent! A couple thousand extra from a local dealer makes sense which gives you peace of mind. That's exactly why I spent more on mine back in 2012. Post pics when you can and enjoy it!!
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Yeah, I deserved to get stoned for spending $32K on a tiny piece of metal.
I've seen Aluminum DIAS for for $25K range recently and Steel DIAS for $30K. I thought if I wanted to spend that much cash, why not add a little more and get the steel DIAS. Too many scammers out there lately, especially on Sturm and I just brought it from a dealer who I purchased before. My friend also thinks I'm a "mad man"... we will see who's crazier by this Christmas. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Yeah, I deserved to get stoned for spending $32K on a tiny piece of metal.
I've seen Aluminum DIAS for for $25K range recently and Steel DIAS for $30K. I thought if I wanted to spend that much cash, why not add a little more and get the steel DIAS. Too many scammers out there lately, especially on Sturm and I just brought it from a dealer who I purchased before. My friend also thinks I'm a "mad man"... we will see who's crazier by this Christmas. Dear God! $32K on a RDIAS!? They aren't worth that yet are they? I've seen two for sale for $25k and $28k on sturm recently. Just curious. Either way, it's not like you paid too much if they aren't $32k yet. You just paid early ;) When I paid $16k for my 1st one in 2012 off sturm everyone said I was an idiot......... I have no idea to the answer of your questions though sorry. All I can say is enjoy the sear! they are a blast and one of the best M16s to own! 2 Lightning links too? You the man!!!! |
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Posted: 3/12/2016 2:02:02 PM EDT
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Ballistics in Wallingford CT made quite a few. All Steel Good stuff too. That's what my second one is. Fist one is a home made form 1 sear that luckily the guy must have been a pro bc it is equally perfect. |
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Posted: 3/12/2016 4:56:16 PM EDT
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coolhand, I sent you an IM.
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Posted: 3/12/2016 5:19:09 PM EDT
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Put a want to buy ad in armslist or shotgun news
Wait and see what happens |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 1:02:08 AM EDT
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That's good to know.
I found a intersting read about John Norrell... looks like he was is a genius. http://www.smallarmsreview.com/display.article.cfm?idarticles=3168 Fixed it for you, since he's still alive. 
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Posted: 3/13/2016 1:32:59 AM EDT
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Thanks for the link.
Very good article. It becomes clear why there are so many more HK sears than RDIAS. |
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Posted: 3/16/2016 12:19:42 PM EDT
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Always seems like their are never any RDIAS publicly available. So it seems like its a seller's market? What price is too high for one? $35k? $40K? From a dealer of course.
Conversed with M60Joe yesterday and I'm leery of a regular M16 as their blow ups can end up being paper weights more often then not. |
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Posted: 3/16/2016 9:03:32 PM EDT
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'm leery of a regular M16 as their blow ups can end up being paper weights more often then not. Cast it in gold afterwards, then it will be a shiny and really expensive paperweight! 
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Posted: 3/16/2016 9:06:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:What price is too high for one? $35k? $40K? Maybe when they hit 50k, I'd consider letting it go. That'd make a 1000% return on my "investment". Suck it DOW JONES! |
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Posted: 3/16/2016 11:14:21 PM EDT
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Conversed with M60Joe yesterday and I'm leery of a regular M16 as their blow ups can end up being paper weights more often then not. There's always the stainless steel Group Industries M16s if you're afraid of blowing up an aluminum receiver. But then you're carrying around something like another pound in weight. |
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Posted: 3/16/2016 11:41:09 PM EDT
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It's sad to see our hobby required so much fund to acquire something that we want.
I never brought MG as a investment, but it's obviously outperforming my lousy 401K....
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Maybe when they hit 50k, I'd consider letting it go. That'd make a 1000% return on my "investment". Suck it DOW JONES! Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:What price is too high for one? $35k? $40K? Maybe when they hit 50k, I'd consider letting it go. That'd make a 1000% return on my "investment". Suck it DOW JONES! |
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Posted: 3/17/2016 12:27:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's sad to see our hobby required so much fund to acquire something that we want. I never brought MG as a investment, but it's obviously outperforming my lousy 401K.... Quote HistoryQuoted: It's sad to see our hobby required so much fund to acquire something that we want. I never brought MG as a investment, but it's obviously outperforming my lousy 401K.... Quoted: Quoted:What price is too high for one? $35k? $40K? Maybe when they hit 50k, I'd consider letting it go. That'd make a 1000% return on my "investment". Suck it DOW JONES! I had a dealer tell me that sometime right after Hughes had passed, he was offended that he had to pay $400 for a RDIAS. His complaint was that the tax stamp was half the cost of the RDIAS. |
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Posted: 3/17/2016 12:29:18 AM EDT
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Imagine if the Hughes amendment had not been added to FOPA, the cost of a MG would be exactly the same as the cost of an SBR nowadays. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's sad to see our hobby required so much fund to acquire something that we want. I never brought MG as a investment, but it's obviously outperforming my lousy 401K....
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Quoted:What price is too high for one? $35k? $40K? Maybe when they hit 50k, I'd consider letting it go. That'd make a 1000% return on my "investment". Suck it DOW JONES! The investment potential is nice. Buy something. Rag it out for 10 years. Sell it, and make money. I try to always look at the positive side of things even if I don't like it. |
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Posted: 3/17/2016 12:30:46 AM EDT
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There's always the stainless steel Group Industries M16s if you're afraid of blowing up an aluminum receiver. But then you're carrying around something like another pound in weight. I let a few people handle mine while I filled out the form 4s. It was a "complete lower" when it transferred. They couldn't tell the difference. I had to tell them the receiver was made of steel. The extra mass is much closer to you than the equivalent mass hanging off the front of the barrel in suppressor form. Love not needing to worry about holes egging or an OOB blowing it apart. Plug and play with any upper and all kinds of sketchy ammo 
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Posted: 3/17/2016 12:30:56 AM EDT
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It's sad to see our hobby required so much fund to acquire something that we want. I never brought MG as a investment, but it's obviously outperforming my lousy 401K....
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It's sad to see our hobby required so much fund to acquire something that we want. I never brought MG as a investment, but it's obviously outperforming my lousy 401K....
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Quoted:What price is too high for one? $35k? $40K? Maybe when they hit 50k, I'd consider letting it go. That'd make a 1000% return on my "investment". Suck it DOW JONES! Yep yep agreed. I'm not sure at what price I'd start letting my machine guns go. I don't plan or want to, but everything has a price. If things start getting into the price of a house per gun....yea I might start letting a couple go ;) |
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Posted: 3/17/2016 5:03:33 PM EDT
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Conversed with M60Joe yesterday and I'm leery of a regular M16 as their blow ups can end up being paper weights more often then not. I have never seen an AR lower so damaged it could not be fixed. Even if it was cut into 3 pieces, folks cans weld it back together. Why folks think nothing of buying a $50K F250 that will be junk in a few years, but are afraid to buy a MG for 1/2 price that will double in the years to come, amazes me. No different than a custom exhaust on the same truck for $500, but are afraid to buy a $500 silencer that does not come part to clean it. |
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Posted: 3/17/2016 9:34:22 PM EDT
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I have never seen an AR lower so damaged it could not be fixed. Even if it was cut into 3 pieces, folks cans weld it back together. Why folks think nothing of buying a $50K F250 that will be junk in a few years, but are afraid to buy a MG for 1/2 price that will double in the years to come, amazes me. No different than a custom exhaust on the same truck for $500, but are afraid to buy a $500 silencer that does not come part to clean it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Conversed with M60Joe yesterday and I'm leery of a regular M16 as their blow ups can end up being paper weights more often then not. I have never seen an AR lower so damaged it could not be fixed. Even if it was cut into 3 pieces, folks cans weld it back together. Why folks think nothing of buying a $50K F250 that will be junk in a few years, but are afraid to buy a MG for 1/2 price that will double in the years to come, amazes me. No different than a custom exhaust on the same truck for $500, but are afraid to buy a $500 silencer that does not come part to clean it. +1. I have been dealing with transferable MGs for damned near a half-century now, and I have never, ever seen a transferable M16 that was damaged beyond repair. I have, however, seen three RDIAS that were lost -- one forever, one recovered within a week, one recovered two years later. They are so small and so easy to lose. And yes, like RenegadeX, I am amazed by the folks who spend insane money on cars, trucks, boats, you-name-it, that depreciate by the minute ... yet are unwilling to spend a fraction of that amount on an item that historically has appreciated at a rate way higher than most 401k's. I will just walk away now, shaking my head.... 
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Posted: 3/17/2016 10:55:44 PM EDT
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I have never seen an AR lower so damaged it could not be fixed. Even if it was cut into 3 pieces, folks cans weld it back together. Why folks think nothing of buying a $50K F250 that will be junk in a few years, but are afraid to buy a MG for 1/2 price that will double in the years to come, amazes me. No different than a custom exhaust on the same truck for $500, but are afraid to buy a $500 silencer that does not come part to clean it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Conversed with M60Joe yesterday and I'm leery of a regular M16 as their blow ups can end up being paper weights more often then not. I have never seen an AR lower so damaged it could not be fixed. Even if it was cut into 3 pieces, folks cans weld it back together. Why folks think nothing of buying a $50K F250 that will be junk in a few years, but are afraid to buy a MG for 1/2 price that will double in the years to come, amazes me. No different than a custom exhaust on the same truck for $500, but are afraid to buy a $500 silencer that does not come part to clean it. Off your high horse yet? Not sure if you are directing your comments at me but you sure as hell quoted me. I have never bought a vehicle for $50k yet, nor the exhaust to match it, thanks for the advice though. Also i don't believe I have ever asked about cleaning any of my suppressors yet. Never even asked if they came apart for cleaning. M60joe seems like "the" go to guy for repairs and etc. Refer me to another guy for lower repair work if you would please. He said the other day he declined to work on an M16 lower receiver that was damaged pretty bad. Call it my due diligence as these are not just investments that sit on a shelf for me but something I would like to enjoy without worrying about the resulting paperweight it may become. |
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Posted: 3/17/2016 11:00:18 PM EDT
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I have never seen an AR lower so damaged it could not be fixed. Even if it was cut into 3 pieces, folks cans weld it back together. Why folks think nothing of buying a $50K F250 that will be junk in a few years, but are afraid to buy a MG for 1/2 price that will double in the years to come, amazes me. No different than a custom exhaust on the same truck for $500, but are afraid to buy a $500 silencer that does not come part to clean it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Conversed with M60Joe yesterday and I'm leery of a regular M16 as their blow ups can end up being paper weights more often then not. I have never seen an AR lower so damaged it could not be fixed. Even if it was cut into 3 pieces, folks cans weld it back together. Why folks think nothing of buying a $50K F250 that will be junk in a few years, but are afraid to buy a MG for 1/2 price that will double in the years to come, amazes me. No different than a custom exhaust on the same truck for $500, but are afraid to buy a $500 silencer that does not come part to clean it. Spot on. |
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Posted: 3/17/2016 11:05:05 PM EDT
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M60joe seems like "the" go to guy for repairs and etc. Refer me to another guy for lower repair work if you would please. He said the other day he declined to work on an M16 lower receiver that was damaged pretty bad. Call it my due diligence as these are not just investments that sit on a shelf for me but something I would like to enjoy without worrying about the resulting paperweight it may become. I am very curious to hear about the cause of the damage, the extent of the damage which prompted him to decline, and what type of receiver (i.e. cast, forged, billet...). Can you share any such details? |
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Posted: 3/17/2016 11:09:49 PM EDT
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Dupe
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Posted: 3/17/2016 11:12:27 PM EDT
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I have been dealing with transferable MGs for damned near a half-century now, and I have never, ever seen a transferable M16 that was damaged beyond repair. I have, however, seen three RDIAS that were lost -- one forever, one recovered within a week, one recovered two years later. They are so small and so easy to lose. And yes, like RenegadeX, I am amazed by the folks who spend insane money on cars, trucks, boats, you-name-it, that depreciate by the minute ... yet are unwilling to spend a fraction of that amount on an item that historically has appreciated at a rate way higher than most 401k's. I will just walk away now, shaking my head....
Your Mileage May Vary. Sigh. Care to share how they got lost? |
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Posted: 3/17/2016 11:25:01 PM EDT
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I am very curious to hear about the cause of the damage, the extent of the damage which prompted him to decline, and what type of receiver (i.e. cast, forged, billet...). Can you share any such details? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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M60joe seems like "the" go to guy for repairs and etc. Refer me to another guy for lower repair work if you would please. He said the other day he declined to work on an M16 lower receiver that was damaged pretty bad. Call it my due diligence as these are not just investments that sit on a shelf for me but something I would like to enjoy without worrying about the resulting paperweight it may become. I am very curious to hear about the cause of the damage, the extent of the damage which prompted him to decline, and what type of receiver (i.e. cast, forged, billet...). Can you share any such details? I asked him a simple question, "have you seen a lower receiver damaged beyond repair?" He responds back that he just declined work on one that had a "kaboom", mag well and top of the receiver had a big bulge outward. I left it at that. Supposedly "online people" say that as long as the serial number still on the receiver a talented metal worker could make it work. Who would be this talented metal worker? |
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Posted: 3/17/2016 11:39:23 PM EDT
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Off your high horse yet? ARFCOM never disappoints. No matter how much you try to help someone, they will invariably find a way to be insulted. Quoted:
Not sure if you are directing your comments at me but you sure as hell quoted me No, paragraph 2 & 3 were not directed at you, hence the use of the word "folks" and not "you". But don't let that stop you from assuming it was and taking it personal. Regular posters will know I make those comments every few months, last time I think it was a $60K Raptor, this time I downsized. |
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Posted: 3/17/2016 11:46:40 PM EDT
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Supposedly "online people" say that as long as the serial number still on the receiver a talented metal worker could make it work. Who would be this talented metal worker? Echoing Tony- I will just walk away now, shaking my head....
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Posted: 3/18/2016 12:24:40 AM EDT
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Echoing Tony- I will just walk away now, shaking my head.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Supposedly "online people" say that as long as the serial number still on the receiver a talented metal worker could make it work. Who would be this talented metal worker? Echoing Tony- I will just walk away now, shaking my head.... I see, so thats how you get 30k posts. Condescend, check. Quote with no real info, check. Anything else? |
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Posted: 3/18/2016 4:08:50 PM EDT
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Care to share how they got lost? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have been dealing with transferable MGs for damned near a half-century now, and I have never, ever seen a transferable M16 that was damaged beyond repair. I have, however, seen three RDIAS that were lost -- one forever, one recovered within a week, one recovered two years later. They are so small and so easy to lose. (snip) Care to share how they got lost? Lost forever: The owner went shooting and at the end of the session, took out the RDIAS and put it in his pocket because he planned to stop for lunch at a restaurant, and didn't want to leave it in his truck with the host AR. When he got home he reached in the pocket ... and only found a hole. Retraced his steps, but no joy. Lost for a week: Owner went shooting and somehow didn't notice that it had fallen off the lug when he was packing up. He went back to the range, did the crawling-around-on-hands-and-knees bit, but no joy. About a week later, someone found it and turned it in to the RO, who called him. Lost for two years: Owner went to get it out of the safe ... and it wasn't there. He took everything else out of the safe, but no joy. (IIRC, he filed an insurance claim.) Two years later, he decided to use a different shelf configuration in that safe, and when he removed one shelf, the RDIAS fell out. It had become wedged behind the rear edge of a shelf which was exactly thick enough to hide it from both top and bottom views.
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Posted: 3/18/2016 4:14:16 PM EDT
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I see, so thats how you get 30k posts. Condescend, check. Quote with no real info, check. Anything else? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Supposedly "online people" say that as long as the serial number still on the receiver a talented metal worker could make it work. Who would be this talented metal worker? Echoing Tony- I will just walk away now, shaking my head.... I see, so thats how you get 30k posts. Condescend, check. Quote with no real info, check. Anything else? Actually, RenegadeX got most of those 30k posts by moderating this forum for many years. He may get a little grumpy on occasion, just like anyone who is retired, but the regulars know that and tend to just ignore those parts of his posts.
But really, guys, please cool it. This is a technical forum, not GD. Please don't make me go all Marshall Law on anyone.
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Posted: 4/13/2016 7:27:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just spent freaking $32K for John Norrell Steel Drop In Auto Sear. Thank you for sharing this info! As a fellow owner of a Norrell Steel sear I've been trying to find out the selling price. (The for-sale boards usually remove the price when an item sells.) |
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Posted: 4/20/2016 6:17:49 PM EDT
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Lost forever: The owner went shooting and at the end of the session, took out the RDIAS and put it in his pocket because he planned to stop for lunch at a restaurant, and didn't want to leave it in his truck with the host AR. When he got home he reached in the pocket ... and only found a hole. Retraced his steps, but no joy. Lost for a week: Owner went shooting and somehow didn't notice that it had fallen off the lug when he was packing up. He went back to the range, did the crawling-around-on-hands-and-knees bit, but no joy. About a week later, someone found it and turned it in to the RO, who called him. Lost for two years: Owner went to get it out of the safe ... and it wasn't there. He took everything else out of the safe, but no joy. (IIRC, he filed an insurance claim.) Two years later, he decided to use a different shelf configuration in that safe, and when he removed one shelf, the RDIAS fell out. It had become wedged behind the rear edge of a shelf which was exactly thick enough to hide it from both top and bottom views. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have been dealing with transferable MGs for damned near a half-century now, and I have never, ever seen a transferable M16 that was damaged beyond repair. I have, however, seen three RDIAS that were lost -- one forever, one recovered within a week, one recovered two years later. They are so small and so easy to lose. (snip) Care to share how they got lost? Lost forever: The owner went shooting and at the end of the session, took out the RDIAS and put it in his pocket because he planned to stop for lunch at a restaurant, and didn't want to leave it in his truck with the host AR. When he got home he reached in the pocket ... and only found a hole. Retraced his steps, but no joy. Lost for a week: Owner went shooting and somehow didn't notice that it had fallen off the lug when he was packing up. He went back to the range, did the crawling-around-on-hands-and-knees bit, but no joy. About a week later, someone found it and turned it in to the RO, who called him. Lost for two years: Owner went to get it out of the safe ... and it wasn't there. He took everything else out of the safe, but no joy. (IIRC, he filed an insurance claim.) Two years later, he decided to use a different shelf configuration in that safe, and when he removed one shelf, the RDIAS fell out. It had become wedged behind the rear edge of a shelf which was exactly thick enough to hide it from both top and bottom views. Specifically can you elaborate on the insurance? When we talked you mentioned who you would use, however getting insurance is easy. It's getting payment that insurance companies should be judged on. I've asked it here before, didn't seem like anyone actually had to file a claim. |
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Posted: 4/20/2016 9:57:33 PM EDT
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Specifically can you elaborate on the insurance? When we talked you mentioned who you would use, however getting insurance is easy. It's getting payment that insurance companies should be judged on. I've asked it here before, didn't seem like anyone actually had to file a claim. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have been dealing with transferable MGs for damned near a half-century now, and I have never, ever seen a transferable M16 that was damaged beyond repair. I have, however, seen three RDIAS that were lost -- one forever, one recovered within a week, one recovered two years later. They are so small and so easy to lose. (snip) Care to share how they got lost? Lost forever: The owner went shooting and at the end of the session, took out the RDIAS and put it in his pocket because he planned to stop for lunch at a restaurant, and didn't want to leave it in his truck with the host AR. When he got home he reached in the pocket ... and only found a hole. Retraced his steps, but no joy. Lost for a week: Owner went shooting and somehow didn't notice that it had fallen off the lug when he was packing up. He went back to the range, did the crawling-around-on-hands-and-knees bit, but no joy. About a week later, someone found it and turned it in to the RO, who called him. Lost for two years: Owner went to get it out of the safe ... and it wasn't there. He took everything else out of the safe, but no joy. (IIRC, he filed an insurance claim.) Two years later, he decided to use a different shelf configuration in that safe, and when he removed one shelf, the RDIAS fell out. It had become wedged behind the rear edge of a shelf which was exactly thick enough to hide it from both top and bottom views. Specifically can you elaborate on the insurance? When we talked you mentioned who you would use, however getting insurance is easy. It's getting payment that insurance companies should be judged on. I've asked it here before, didn't seem like anyone actually had to file a claim. Well, I can't remember if that individual even mentioned which insurance company he used. The one I use does have pretty strict rules on when a loss is or is not covered. I keep that in mind. But firearms losses are really pretty rare, unlike car or home insurance claims. That actually works to our advantage -- it makes the premiums lower if the claims are less common. I look at it this way: If an insurance company in any field was either a scam or a PITA for those filing claims, we would hear about it. Just think of how negative reviews work the internet -- you read one and, of course, you know that is the one in 100, one-in-a thousand, who had a negative experience. Thanks to the internet, every bad experience, no matter how rare, is out there for everyone to see. So an insurance company which is popular and used by many gun owners, yet does not have a single negative post anywhere on the internet despite being in biz for decades ... well, that, in itself, is a positive sign. Don't you think? |
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Posted: 4/20/2016 11:24:30 PM EDT
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Well, I can't remember if that individual even mentioned which insurance company he used. The one I use does have pretty strict rules on when a loss is or is not covered. I keep that in mind. But firearms losses are really pretty rare, unlike car or home insurance claims. That actually works to our advantage -- it makes the premiums lower if the claims are less common. I look at it this way: If an insurance company in any field was either a scam or a PITA for those filing claims, we would hear about it. Just think of how negative reviews work the internet -- you read one and, of course, you know that is the one in 100, one-in-a thousand, who had a negative experience. Thanks to the internet, every bad experience, no matter how rare, is out there for everyone to see. So an insurance company which is popular and used by many gun owners, yet does not have a single negative post anywhere on the internet despite being in biz for decades ... well, that, in itself, is a positive sign. Don't you think? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have been dealing with transferable MGs for damned near a half-century now, and I have never, ever seen a transferable M16 that was damaged beyond repair. I have, however, seen three RDIAS that were lost -- one forever, one recovered within a week, one recovered two years later. They are so small and so easy to lose. (snip) Care to share how they got lost? Lost forever: The owner went shooting and at the end of the session, took out the RDIAS and put it in his pocket because he planned to stop for lunch at a restaurant, and didn't want to leave it in his truck with the host AR. When he got home he reached in the pocket ... and only found a hole. Retraced his steps, but no joy. Lost for a week: Owner went shooting and somehow didn't notice that it had fallen off the lug when he was packing up. He went back to the range, did the crawling-around-on-hands-and-knees bit, but no joy. About a week later, someone found it and turned it in to the RO, who called him. Lost for two years: Owner went to get it out of the safe ... and it wasn't there. He took everything else out of the safe, but no joy. (IIRC, he filed an insurance claim.) Two years later, he decided to use a different shelf configuration in that safe, and when he removed one shelf, the RDIAS fell out. It had become wedged behind the rear edge of a shelf which was exactly thick enough to hide it from both top and bottom views. Specifically can you elaborate on the insurance? When we talked you mentioned who you would use, however getting insurance is easy. It's getting payment that insurance companies should be judged on. I've asked it here before, didn't seem like anyone actually had to file a claim. Well, I can't remember if that individual even mentioned which insurance company he used. The one I use does have pretty strict rules on when a loss is or is not covered. I keep that in mind. But firearms losses are really pretty rare, unlike car or home insurance claims. That actually works to our advantage -- it makes the premiums lower if the claims are less common. I look at it this way: If an insurance company in any field was either a scam or a PITA for those filing claims, we would hear about it. Just think of how negative reviews work the internet -- you read one and, of course, you know that is the one in 100, one-in-a thousand, who had a negative experience. Thanks to the internet, every bad experience, no matter how rare, is out there for everyone to see. So an insurance company which is popular and used by many gun owners, yet does not have a single negative post anywhere on the internet despite being in biz for decades ... well, that, in itself, is a positive sign. Don't you think? Do you have collectibles or historic? |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 11:22:21 AM EDT
[#44]
I have a firearms rider on my home policy, when I requested it from my company, they sent out an adjuster and we noted every single scratch, dent and ding in each of my guns, I have to update them if new damage occurs to any of my guns. It is really not much money, but the requirements to maintain the rider can be a pain in the ass sometimes. I figure it is just part of the cost of owning machine guns.
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Posted: 4/21/2016 11:57:18 AM EDT
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I have collectibles. Historic wouldn't insure me because I'm too close to the ocean (less than 2 miles) but hey, I'm a lifelong beach bum.
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Posted: 4/21/2016 6:40:32 PM EDT
[#46]
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I have collectibles. Historic wouldn't insure me because I'm too close to the ocean (less than 2 miles) but hey, I'm a lifelong beach bum. Gottca. Do you have experience with anyone having to file a claim with either company? I've heard them both being suggested, but I don't know if anyone has ever had to file a claim and how it worked out. |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 11:28:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryWell, I can't remember if that individual even mentioned which insurance company he used. The one I use does have pretty strict rules on when a loss is or is not covered. I keep that in mind. But firearms losses are really pretty rare, unlike car or home insurance claims. That actually works to our advantage -- it makes the premiums lower if the claims are less common. I look at it this way: If an insurance company in any field was either a scam or a PITA for those filing claims, we would hear about it. Just think of how negative reviews work the internet -- you read one and, of course, you know that is the one in 100, one-in-a thousand, who had a negative experience. Thanks to the internet, every bad experience, no matter how rare, is out there for everyone to see. So an insurance company which is popular and used by many gun owners, yet does not have a single negative post anywhere on the internet despite being in biz for decades ... well, that, in itself, is a positive sign. Don't you think? I understand what you are saying. A lack of negative reviews isn't really an endorsement. |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 3:46:46 PM EDT
[#48]
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I understand what you are saying. A lack of negative reviews isn't really an endorsement. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Well, I can't remember if that individual even mentioned which insurance company he used. The one I use does have pretty strict rules on when a loss is or is not covered. I keep that in mind. But firearms losses are really pretty rare, unlike car or home insurance claims. That actually works to our advantage -- it makes the premiums lower if the claims are less common. I look at it this way: If an insurance company in any field was either a scam or a PITA for those filing claims, we would hear about it. Just think of how negative reviews work the internet -- you read one and, of course, you know that is the one in 100, one-in-a thousand, who had a negative experience. Thanks to the internet, every bad experience, no matter how rare, is out there for everyone to see. So an insurance company which is popular and used by many gun owners, yet does not have a single negative post anywhere on the internet despite being in biz for decades ... well, that, in itself, is a positive sign. Don't you think? I understand what you are saying. A lack of negative reviews isn't really an endorsement. Collectibles is a fairly small company, only about 16k policies, but it has been round since 1966. The BBB sez it has never had an inquiry about the company; it is rated "A" by A.M. Best, however. I did some googling and only found one thread, on the CMP forums, that mentioned a claim with them. Guy leaned his AR up against his pickup, walked away, and his wife got in and drove over the gun. Collectibles paid in full within a month. details: http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?p=8400#post8400 Here's how I look at it: When I go to far-away MG shoots, I take my Colt M16A1 and my Uzi, plus spare uppers, optics, mags, etc. If my truck gets stolen, and I have no insurance, I get nothing. I have a really great homeowners insurance policy which includes $2k for guns, but no more. They will not write a rider for my guns. I've checked around and no one else will, either. My choices are Collectibles ... or go uninsured. If God forbid I ever file a claim, I might have to fight for it. But with no insurance, all I get is a huge tax write-off. Your Mileage May Vary.
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Posted: 4/23/2016 9:25:39 PM EDT
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I have a rider on my home policy, my home owners insurance is very reasonable, my rider is very expensive. My rider costs me 5 times as much as the home policy does, but I am insuring over 100K of guns on the rider, my regular guns I don't worry about, my machine guns, I may not be able to replace even for what I have them insured for, if something happened to them. Part of my policy requirements was the security system I had to install, so the insurance company knows how difficult it would be to try and steal my guns. I own 6 original machine guns. Machine guns are very expensive to own in so many different ways. |
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