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Posted: 7/31/2014 9:13:55 AM EDT
[#1]
Not a RLL, but my Flemming HK sear is listed as a "Machinegun sear".
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Posted: 7/31/2014 9:39:56 AM EDT
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Yea I'm alittle baffled. My HK sear says "machine gun sear", where my m16 receiver, obvioulsy just says machine gun. My RLL paperwork says Machinegun, and not sear. I understand that technically it is not a sear since there is still a sear present in the trigger group.
Totally confused here. |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 9:49:19 AM EDT
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It should be listed as a machinegun, as should HK sears or AR DIAS, etc. It is a part or part specifically designed and intended to convert a firearm into a machinegun, so is a machinegun per the legal definition.
Additional description block is where "machinegun sear" or "conversion device" should be listed. |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 12:26:44 PM EDT
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See 26 United States Code § 5845(b) :
(b) Machinegun The term “machinegun” means any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person. So according to federal law, a sear is a machine gun in and of itself. "Machine gun sear" is a description; "machine gun" is the actual legal classification for a sear. |
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Posted: 7/31/2014 12:53:57 PM EDT
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Mine says machinegun. But I got 30 years ago.
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Posted: 7/31/2014 1:35:08 PM EDT
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And my LL is listed as a "Drop in auto connector".
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Posted: 7/31/2014 3:17:50 PM EDT
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As others have already mentioned, the only applicable classification is machinegun. However, the form 4 I just did for an FNC sear we listed "machinegun sear" because that is what was on the previous form 4 that the gun just transferred in on and the form 4 before that. My dealer thought it best to leave it matching the other forms and thought it was best because it made 100% clear the item was the sear and it wasn't married to anything. We both realize that neither of those reasons mean a hill of beans but said WTH we'll leave it like it has been for at least the last two forms and probably how S&H registered originally.
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Posted: 7/31/2014 4:10:41 PM EDT
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Different thing, but both my RDIASs are listed as "drop in sear."
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:16:38 AM EDT
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My DIAS was listed as "drop in auto sear" on its original paperwork as well, but when transferring it to me the ATF kicked it back and made my dealer change it to "machine gun" before they'd approve the transfer.
-bob Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 9:45:44 PM EDT
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My sears are listed as follows
FNC Sear #1 = Machinegun Sear FNC Sear #2 = Machinegun Auto Sear RLL #1 = Drop in Auto Connector RLL #2 = Machinegun HK Sear #1 = Machinegun Sear HK Sear #2 = Machinegun Sear HK Sear #3 = Machinegun Sear AUG Sear = Machine Gun Sear Seems like Machinegun Sear appears to be accepted nomenclature on the forms, but with the ATF you never know depending upon the examiner. |
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Posted: 8/6/2014 6:55:09 PM EDT
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I just had one approved as a "machine gun"
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Posted: 8/7/2014 1:25:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryRLL = Drop in Auto Connector Quote HistoryRLL = Drop in Auto Connector HK sear = machinegun sear |
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Posted: 8/7/2014 11:10:54 AM EDT
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Thank you gents. Just had to do a sanity check. My RLL says machine gun and my HK LaFrance pack says machinegun sear.
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