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Posted: 3/24/2014 10:04:57 AM EDT
[#1]
While prices have risen dramatically in the last couple years I think they are dreaming at that price. 10-14K seems like a more marketable price these days, but who can say what they will being in a few more years.
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Posted: 3/24/2014 10:06:17 AM EDT
[#2]
agree 18.5 is to high..
id say any where 13-15 just because they rarely come up for sale. just wondering where did you find the 18.5 one? i have not seen any listed in a while |
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Posted: 3/24/2014 10:23:58 AM EDT
[#3]
I got quoted that from only the best. I know they are high but that seemed crazy to me. I figured somewhere in the 10-12 range. I thought y'all would get a hoot out of it.
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Posted: 3/24/2014 11:51:33 AM EDT
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I should have guessed it was OTB. They have some nice guns, but their prices seem to follow the cheaper than dirt pricing policy.
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Posted: 3/24/2014 2:26:14 PM EDT
[#5]
I haven't seen one for sale lately... my guess is that if you put it on gunbroker, then you could get $15K easy.
I love my LL and will never sell it. 
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Posted: 3/24/2014 2:46:42 PM EDT
[#6]
OTB and auto weapons, always good for a laugh. They are related. Shocking, I know.
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Posted: 3/24/2014 7:32:08 PM EDT
[#7]
Dang, I got mine for $5K 3 2 years ago. I paid for it March of 2012.
I think I only put two mags through it.
If I could clear $15 for it today, I would get a 2nd HK sear. |
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Posted: 3/25/2014 8:29:33 AM EDT
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Dang, I got mine for $5K 3 2 years ago. I paid for it March of 2012. I think I only put two mags through it. If I could clear $15 for it today, I would get a 2nd HK sear. I've got your $15.00 right here buddy! My FFL's info is... 
In all seriousness though, they've gone up that much?? Can't you buy a registered receiver conversion for $15k-18k still? I thought the colts were just getting over the 22k hump at this point. I would have thought a RLL would be lucky to command 11k-12k at the moment... |
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Posted: 3/25/2014 10:01:14 AM EDT
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Dang, I got mine for $5K 3 2 years ago. I paid for it March of 2012. I think I only put two mags through it. If I could clear $15 for it today, I would get a 2nd HK sear. Now if we could find $15k HK sears 
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Posted: 3/25/2014 11:10:04 AM EDT
[#10]
i saw one sell on gb for 13k a while ago i think there was a thread on it acutally.... but have not seen one since so it is hard to know exactly what it would bring with so few coming up for sale.
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Posted: 3/25/2014 5:23:19 PM EDT
[#11]
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Dang, I got mine for $5K 3 2 years ago. I paid for it March of 2012. I think I only put two mags through it. If I could clear $15 for it today, I would get a 2nd HK sear. i remember that on one of the FS boards. i though it was a scam . that one was cheap even for then. |
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Posted: 3/25/2014 6:53:59 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: i remember that on one of the FS boards. i though it was a scam . that one was cheap even for then. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Dang, I got mine for $5K 3 2 years ago. I paid for it March of 2012. I think I only put two mags through it. If I could clear $15 for it today, I would get a 2nd HK sear. i remember that on one of the FS boards. i though it was a scam . that one was cheap even for then. I was very cautious but I did my research and background/ reference check. I was the 2nd called but the first guy tried to low ball the seller. So it took my full asking price offer. I think others offered more but he kept our deal.
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Posted: 3/26/2014 3:44:13 PM EDT
[#13]
I traded the Shrike I had for a RLL about 2 years ago!
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Posted: 3/27/2014 7:24:23 PM EDT
[#14]
I paid 7k for mine in 7/13. It was a steal. One went for 15k with a shit host on gunbroker in the last few weeks.
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Posted: 4/2/2014 12:46:15 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Now if we could find $15k HK sears Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Dang, I got mine for $5K 3 2 years ago. I paid for it March of 2012. I think I only put two mags through it. If I could clear $15 for it today, I would get a 2nd HK sear. Now if we could find $15k HK sears |
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Posted: 4/2/2014 5:29:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Now if we could find $15k HK sears Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Dang, I got mine for $5K 3 2 years ago. I paid for it March of 2012. I think I only put two mags through it. If I could clear $15 for it today, I would get a 2nd HK sear. Now if we could find $15k HK sears I remember when HK sears went from $250 to $500 and I thought that was expensive. Someday we will be looking back and thinking that today's machine gun prices were cheap.
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Posted: 4/2/2014 4:20:07 PM EDT
[#17]
Frank has a link with an lmt host for $18k bin.
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Posted: 4/2/2014 5:16:53 PM EDT
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Frank has a link with an lmt host for $18k bin. Do you have a link? |
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Posted: 4/2/2014 5:33:31 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you have a link? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Frank has a link with an lmt host for $18k bin. Do you have a link? Check his gunbroker account. Its listed there. |
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Posted: 4/3/2014 4:25:47 AM EDT
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his desriptions and titles are soooo misleading.... m16 transferable machinegun .... for a title ........and then only 3/4 of the way though the body does he say auto connector not even lightning link.
and if you are paying 10k for a link you would also think that there might be at least 1 freaking picuture of the link and not 10 of a run of the milll LMT 16" carbine host. he basically does every thing possible to make the uneducated think this is a RR at first then after that a RDIAS |
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Posted: 4/3/2014 5:51:17 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you have a link? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Frank has a link with an lmt host for $18k bin. Do you have a link? I'm not sure if it is ok to post the link but it is Auction # 404940472. The auction doesn't have a picture of the auto connector nor does it say who made it. Bidding is just over $9k with no reserve.
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Posted: 4/3/2014 6:33:08 AM EDT
[#22]
Shoot... No wonder I couldn't find the ad with 15 mins of searching the gunbroker Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'm not sure if it is ok to post the link but it is Auction # 404940472. The auction doesn't have a picture of the auto connector nor does it say who made it. Bidding is just over $9k with no reserve. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Frank has a link with an lmt host for $18k bin. Do you have a link? I'm not sure if it is ok to post the link but it is Auction # 404940472. The auction doesn't have a picture of the auto connector nor does it say who made it. Bidding is just over $9k with no reserve. |
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Posted: 4/3/2014 6:51:14 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: his desriptions and titles are soooo misleading.... m16 transferable machinegun .... for a title ........and then only 3/4 of the way though the body does he say auto connector not even lightning link. and if you are paying 10k for a link you would also think that there might be at least 1 freaking picuture of the link and not 10 of a run of the milll LMT 16" carbine host. he basically does every thing possible to make the uneducated think this is a RR at first then after that a RDIAS Well to be fair auto connector is the correct term, But but descripttions are never very good
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Posted: 4/3/2014 6:59:39 AM EDT
[#24]
..... "The transferable auto conector in this gun is the registered part. Much like the HK sears...."
Hot damn. I didn't know my LL is now in the same category as HK sears |
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Posted: 4/3/2014 7:30:05 AM EDT
[#25]
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..... "The transferable auto conector in this gun is the registered part. Much like the HK sears...." Hot damn. I didn't know my LL is now in the same category as HK sears i think this makes our links better then RDAIS .....
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Posted: 4/4/2014 4:51:25 PM EDT
[#26]
Dang, that lightning link that was listed on gun broker sold for 18k!!!
That's insane! There wasn't even a picture of the actual rll, just the host gun. So depressing I finally got $10k saved up thinking it would be enough for a rll or atleast close and in like 3 months they double in price *sigh* |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 6:06:44 PM EDT
[#27]
That's crazy man and I feel your pain.
There was a guy at the subgun board who wanted to trade his LL for UZI. You might offer him $12k and see what happens. It was under the NFA discussion section about a week ago. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Dang, that lightning link that was listed on gun broker sold for 18k!!! That's insane! There wasn't even a picture of the actual rll, just the host gun. So depressing I finally got $10k saved up thinking it would be enough for a rll or atleast close and in like 3 months they double in price *sigh* |
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Posted: 4/5/2014 7:16:28 AM EDT
[#28]
Someone used the buy it now to end franks auction at $18k. Ho lee shit.
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Posted: 4/5/2014 7:28:58 AM EDT
[#29]
Minus that crappy host and I guess we are looking at $17K+ for LL along.
Not too long until LL hits $20K mark... perhaps this summer? I guess LL's price is climbing much faster than HK sears... Insane. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Someone used the buy it now to end franks auction at $18k. Ho lee shit. |
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Posted: 4/5/2014 9:13:02 AM EDT
[#30]
Think I'm going to have to rethink plans, I had a rifle all built based on a rll, might consider buying a off brand rr like a bushmaster or a converted sp1, not really what I wanted but I have seen those selling for like 15k
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Posted: 4/5/2014 12:39:20 PM EDT
[#31]
I think there is a greater 50% chance it get s relisted
I'm suspicious that his auctions really sell for what we think they do |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 5:43:03 PM EDT
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I think there is a greater 50% chance it get s relisted I'm suspicious that his auctions really sell for what we think they do  agreed
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Posted: 4/19/2014 4:15:03 PM EDT
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I was watching Frank's auction and was shocked when someone pulled the buy now trigger for $18k. Poor description and no picture of the link.... Go figure! Are there any real suckers out there that would spend $18k without knowing what they were buying? I think we'll see that thing relisted.... My RLL is in an all Spikes host, with the 11.5" FN CHF barrel.. All work was done by M60joe. Is mine worth $20k? I doubt it....
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Posted: 4/19/2014 6:43:11 PM EDT
[#34]
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I was watching Frank's auction and was shocked when someone pulled the buy now trigger for $18k. Poor description and no picture of the link.... Go figure! Are there any real suckers out there that would spend $18k without knowing what they were buying? I think we'll see that thing relisted.... My RLL is in an all Spikes host, with the 11.5" FN CHF barrel.. All work was done by M60joe. Is mine worth $20k? I doubt it.... I wouldn't think so but hey it's worth whatever someone is willing to pay. I was always under the impression a RR or a RDIAS was more valuable than RRL but things can change. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 6:18:04 AM EDT
[#35]
To think I was able to buy a RLL with host for 10k this past December and said I'll wait..
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Posted: 4/20/2014 6:22:22 AM EDT
[#36]
My setup is exactly same as yours.
Who knows maybe it will reach $20K mark by the summer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I was watching Frank's auction and was shocked when someone pulled the buy now trigger for $18k. Poor description and no picture of the link.... Go figure! Are there any real suckers out there that would spend $18k without knowing what they were buying? I think we'll see that thing relisted.... My RLL is in an all Spikes host, with the 11.5" FN CHF barrel.. All work was done by M60joe. Is mine worth $20k? I doubt it.... |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 7:34:39 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wouldn't think so but hey it's worth whatever someone is willing to pay. I was always under the impression a RR or a RDIAS was more valuable than RRL but things can change. Other than a RR or a RDIAS lasting longer than a LL, I don't think that the LL works with certain setups like a dedicated .22LR upper or a .22LR conversion.
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Posted: 4/21/2014 4:39:50 AM EDT
[#38]
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Other than a RR or a RDIAS lasting longer than a LL, I don't think that the LL works with certain setups like a dedicated .22LR upper or a .22LR conversion. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wouldn't think so but hey it's worth whatever someone is willing to pay. I was always under the impression a RR or a RDIAS was more valuable than RRL but things can change. Other than a RR or a RDIAS lasting longer than a LL, I don't think that the LL works with certain setups like a dedicated .22LR upper or a .22LR conversion. A RLL doesnt work with a .22LR upper, it also cant be burst, but they do have kits that are select fire. A RLL also requires a great deal of "timing" and custom work to the host gun, not impossible but for people who dont like to fiddle with their firearms RLL are not for them, a RR is much more plug and play. |
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Posted: 4/21/2014 6:32:52 AM EDT
[#39]
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Other than a RR or a RDIAS lasting longer than a LL, I don't think that the LL works with certain setups like a dedicated .22LR upper or a .22LR conversion. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wouldn't think so but hey it's worth whatever someone is willing to pay. I was always under the impression a RR or a RDIAS was more valuable than RRL but things can change. Other than a RR or a RDIAS lasting longer than a LL, I don't think that the LL works with certain setups like a dedicated .22LR upper or a .22LR conversion. RLL are a budget way to get into a select fire AR15. A RR or M16 will always carry a premium. No silly SP1/modified carriers, works on every caliber, a lot less problems overall. |
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Posted: 4/21/2014 6:43:55 AM EDT
[#40]
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RLL are a budget way to get into a select fire AR15. A RR or M16 will always carry a premium. No silly SP1/modified carriers, works on every caliber, a lot less problems overall. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wouldn't think so but hey it's worth whatever someone is willing to pay. I was always under the impression a RR or a RDIAS was more valuable than RRL but things can change. Other than a RR or a RDIAS lasting longer than a LL, I don't think that the LL works with certain setups like a dedicated .22LR upper or a .22LR conversion. RLL are a budget way to get into a select fire AR15. A RR or M16 will always carry a premium. No silly SP1/modified carriers, works on every caliber, a lot less problems overall. Thats why id doesnt make sense why people would be willing to pay $18,000 for a RLL when you can get a RR for $15,000 or less...a RLL should be going to $12-14k tops. But hey, $18k is a rip off now but in a couple years that same price will be a steal. |
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Posted: 4/21/2014 9:32:12 AM EDT
[#41]
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RLL are a budget way to get into a select fire AR15. A RR or M16 will always carry a premium. No silly SP1/modified carriers, works on every caliber, a lot less problems overall. I'm guessing you meant RDIAS, not RLL, right? - since RLL does in fact require SP1 carriers and so far hasn't been made to successfully run 22. |
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Posted: 4/21/2014 6:10:08 PM EDT
[#42]
One for sale for $14k with no hosts right now.
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Posted: 4/21/2014 6:17:52 PM EDT
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One for sale for $14k with no hosts right now. Got a link to the auction? Not that I can afford it having just bought a RR haha |
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Posted: 4/21/2014 8:54:01 PM EDT
[#44]
Only reasons I can see RLL starting to command more of a premium is
A. Buyers are worried about damage to the lower receiver in the event of a out of battery type of event. If the RLL doesn't survive some type of catastrophic event than you probably didn't either. B. Buyers are starting to place a premium on being able to convert modern guns. If you want your LWRCI, HK MR556 /HK416 clone, a Seekins Prec., or even just a lowly modern Colt M4 Carbine marked lower than you need a RDIAS or a RLL to do it. With a RR, especially a 15K registered receiver you are going to be getting a either an A1 Clone (Sendra/Bushy) or a Slabside/Large Pin Colt. Even $20K or more still only gets you a Colt A1. C. With prices getting so expensive on M16s a RLL or DIAS allows you to essentially tear up cheap host guns without worry that you may put a scratch on your really expensive lower. There are no right or wrong answers but the RLL is certainly the more budget way to perform a conversion on a modern AR...and as mentioned RLL do come with some downsides as well. (no 22LR kit, no burst option, and you have to use SP1 carriers) |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 3:52:29 AM EDT
[#45]
for the carriers if you call up young mfg the sell " lightning link cut carrier" brand new in chrome and park... so its not like you have to hunt around for colt sp1 with the un shrouded firing pin any more.
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Posted: 4/22/2014 7:30:24 AM EDT
[#46]
Outstanding info as always!
I like LL because I've multiple modern host weapons w/ AR15 fire control group instead of M16 fire control group. Also, M60 Joe could modify virtually any carrier or lower of your choice. With KNS protector, my LL shows no wear and will outlast me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Only reasons I can see RLL starting to command more of a premium is A. Buyers are worried about damage to the lower receiver in the event of a out of battery type of event. If the RLL doesn't survive some type of catastrophic event than you probably didn't either. B. Buyers are starting to place a premium on being able to convert modern guns. If you want your LWRCI, HK MR556 /HK416 clone, a Seekins Prec., or even just a lowly modern Colt M4 Carbine marked lower than you need a RDIAS or a RLL to do it. With a RR, especially a 15K registered receiver you are going to be getting a either an A1 Clone (Sendra/Bushy) or a Slabside/Large Pin Colt. Even $20K or more still only gets you a Colt A1. C. With prices getting so expensive on M16s a RLL or DIAS allows you to essentially tear up cheap host guns without worry that you may put a scratch on your really expensive lower. There are no right or wrong answers but the RLL is certainly the more budget way to perform a conversion on a modern AR...and as mentioned RLL do come with some downsides as well. (no 22LR kit, no burst option, and you have to use SP1 carriers) |
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Posted: 5/6/2014 7:06:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Only reasons I can see RLL starting to command more of a premium is A. Buyers are worried about damage to the lower receiver in the event of a out of battery type of event. If the RLL doesn't survive some type of catastrophic event than you probably didn't either. B. Buyers are starting to place a premium on being able to convert modern guns. If you want your LWRCI, HK MR556 /HK416 clone, a Seekins Prec., or even just a lowly modern Colt M4 Carbine marked lower than you need a RDIAS or a RLL to do it. With a RR, especially a 15K registered receiver you are going to be getting a either an A1 Clone (Sendra/Bushy) or a Slabside/Large Pin Colt. Even $20K or more still only gets you a Colt A1. C. With prices getting so expensive on M16s a RLL or DIAS allows you to essentially tear up cheap host guns without worry that you may put a scratch on your really expensive lower. There are no right or wrong answers but the RLL is certainly the more budget way to perform a conversion on a modern AR...and as mentioned RLL do come with some downsides as well. (no 22LR kit, no burst option, and you have to use SP1 carriers) Also, RLLs can fit in AR10s where RDIAS cannot. |
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