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Posted: 8/2/2012 9:24:06 PM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT What would the best mag-block for this system that doesn't require any drilling to the lower and does not negatively affect functionality of the lower (mag release and bolt release being my main concerns). Also, do these uppers negatively affect the lower due to added stress? I have KNS pins already and I want to make sure my pricey lower isn't going to be damaged. Thanks, Anthony |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 11:00:37 PM
Hahn mag block. I use a bottom loading one. I also use the KNS pins. Cheap insurance.
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Posted: 8/3/2012 1:09:35 AM
+1 on the Hahn mag block. I bought a bottom loading mag block that is very easy to install & requires no modification to the lower & u can use your mag release. Mine has been flawless so far. Suppressed & unsuppressed. I have a ton of the C Products 32 rd mags & I haven't had a single malfunction with them while using the Hahn. HTH
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Posted: 8/3/2012 5:45:50 PM
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I have been running a American Spirit Arms 10.5" 9mm flat top upper with a ramped bolt, KNS pins, and VM Hytek bottom feeder block (that takes cheap un-modified UZI mags) for the last 10 years. Same mags and ammo and a nice break from shooting my Mini UZI SMG. Also I added a TROS adapter so I can use my Vector suppressor on both.
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tony_k
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Posted: 8/3/2012 11:25:44 PM
Originally Posted By TriggerFish:
I have been running a American Spirit Arms 10.5" 9mm flat top upper with a ramped bolt, KNS pins, and VM Hytek bottom feeder block (that takes cheap un-modified UZI mags) for the last 10 years. Same mags and ammo and a nice break from shooting my Mini UZI SMG. Also I added a TROS adapter so I can use my Vector suppressor on both. http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/Z06M16A1/Title%202%20Toys/ASA9M16.jpg Not a bad 9mm setup, TF ... but when ya gonna get a real one, like this? 
OP, this is a Colt 7" barrelled DOE 9mm upper. They were developed by Colt at the request of the Department of Energy, which issued them to couriers transporting nuclear materials, and who needed a compact SMG for use in tight transport spaces. I use a Crossfire block but they are long out of production. It's a bottom-loader. And of course, you can see I use KNS pins (I swear by them for 9mm use). |
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Posted: 8/4/2012 12:19:26 PM
D@m you tony_k... you know it's not nice to tease old people. I've only wanted you to sell me that upper for how many years???
Plus you have wayyyy more uppers than anyone needs. 
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tony_k
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Posted: 8/4/2012 1:21:36 PM
Originally Posted By TriggerFish:
D@m you tony_k... you know it's not nice to tease old people. I've only wanted you to sell me that upper for how many years??? Plus you have wayyyy more uppers than anyone needs.
j/k Yeah, I know I do have too many. If I ever decide to part with this one, you have dibs. 
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Posted: 8/4/2012 1:57:06 PM
Originally Posted By tony_k:
Originally Posted By TriggerFish:
I have been running a American Spirit Arms 10.5" 9mm flat top upper with a ramped bolt, KNS pins, and VM Hytek bottom feeder block (that takes cheap un-modified UZI mags) for the last 10 years. Same mags and ammo and a nice break from shooting my Mini UZI SMG. Also I added a TROS adapter so I can use my Vector suppressor on both. http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/Z06M16A1/Title%202%20Toys/ASA9M16.jpg Not a bad 9mm setup, TF ... but when ya gonna get a real one, like this?
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/DOE4.jpg OP, this is a Colt 7" barrelled DOE 9mm upper. They were developed by Colt at the request of the Department of Energy, which issued them to couriers transporting nuclear materials, and who needed a compact SMG for use in tight transport spaces. I use a Crossfire block but they are long out of production. It's a bottom-loader. And of course, you can see I use KNS pins (I swear by them for 9mm use). Do you like making people jealous?
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Posted: 8/4/2012 5:23:49 PM
[Last Edit: 8/4/2012 5:24:31 PM by damcv62]
Originally Posted By tony_k:
Originally Posted By TriggerFish:
I have been running a American Spirit Arms 10.5" 9mm flat top upper with a ramped bolt, KNS pins, and VM Hytek bottom feeder block (that takes cheap un-modified UZI mags) for the last 10 years. Same mags and ammo and a nice break from shooting my Mini UZI SMG. Also I added a TROS adapter so I can use my Vector suppressor on both. http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/Z06M16A1/Title%202%20Toys/ASA9M16.jpg Not a bad 9mm setup, TF ... but when ya gonna get a real one, like this?
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/DOE4.jpg OP, this is a Colt 7" barrelled DOE 9mm upper. They were developed by Colt at the request of the Department of Energy, which issued them to couriers transporting nuclear materials, and who needed a compact SMG for use in tight transport spaces. I use a Crossfire block but they are long out of production. It's a bottom-loader. And of course, you can see I use KNS pins (I swear by them for 9mm use). Two can play that game. When are you going to get a "real" real one Tony???
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Posted: 8/6/2012 12:11:49 PM
Originally Posted By damcv62:
Two can play that game. When are you going to get a "real" real one Tony???
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/IMG_09924.jpg That's the one I seen the other day for sale on Sturmgewehr for what $32K? But how could it be a factory 9mm with no 9mm mag well pin holes drilled in it? It is a factory colt M16 US govt Marked but I will argue that is not a factory 9mm lower. |
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Posted: 8/6/2012 3:47:47 PM
Originally Posted By Shermantor-AR15:
Originally Posted By damcv62:
Two can play that game. When are you going to get a "real" real one Tony???
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/IMG_09924.jpg That's the one I seen the other day for sale on Sturmgewehr for what $32K? But how could it be a factory 9mm with no 9mm mag well pin holes drilled in it? It is a factory colt M16 US govt Marked but I will argue that is not a factory 9mm lower. Well, Tony_k's isn't a factory 9mm lower either. Mine was a DOE issued weapon. To tell you the truth I've never seen a property marked M16A1 that did have the colt mag well. All of the DOE guns I've seen have had normal mag wells. |
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Posted: 8/6/2012 5:40:49 PM
can you put a can on those doe guns?
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Posted: 8/6/2012 9:30:53 PM
Originally Posted By cyborg543:
can you put a can on those doe guns? I'm sure you could get someone to thread it. Might have to add an extension, then thread it. |
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tony_k
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Posted: 8/6/2012 10:47:15 PM
Originally Posted By damcv62:
Originally Posted By cyborg543:
can you put a can on those doe guns? I'm sure you could get someone to thread it. Might have to add an extension, then thread it. Yeah, I've seen some that were threaded by later civilian owners. But I always figured if you want to screw around with it, there are so many way cheaper 9mm uppers to play with ... the DOEs are cool, to me, because of the history and the rarity. So IMHO, it makes more sense to keep them stock. Besides, I've already got an LRM M169 integrally suppressed 9mm upper that is as quiet as a .22.
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Posted: 8/7/2012 9:11:16 AM
[Last Edit: 8/7/2012 9:11:27 AM by cyborg543]
I wouldn't modify an original DOE upper.
The tsunami of excellent quality, inexpensive AR parts is one of the reasons I bought an M16. I'm not going to ruin an expensive collector's item when there are 10,000 cheaper alternatives |
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Posted: 8/7/2012 9:01:27 PM
Originally Posted By tony_k:
Originally Posted By damcv62:
Originally Posted By cyborg543:
can you put a can on those doe guns? I'm sure you could get someone to thread it. Might have to add an extension, then thread it. Yeah, I've seen some that were threaded by later civilian owners. But I always figured if you want to screw around with it, there are so many way cheaper 9mm uppers to play with ... the DOEs are cool, to me, because of the history and the rarity. So IMHO, it makes more sense to keep them stock. Besides, I've already got an LRM M169 integrally suppressed 9mm upper that is as quiet as a .22.
I meant to put in there that I'd highly suggest not doing it to a real colt. It's been a long couple of days.  |
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Posted: 9/6/2012 11:13:14 AM
I like my oly upper it is plug and play
an uses stock sten mags and no mods adpater never had and wear issue on stock lower with stock pin |
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Posted: 9/25/2012 6:54:21 PM
[Last Edit: 9/25/2012 10:26:14 PM by jhud]
Originally Posted By cyborg543:
can you put a can on those doe guns? 
There is just enough barrel sticking out to thread on a factory barrel. |
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tony_k
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Posted: 9/25/2012 9:30:32 PM
[Last Edit: 9/25/2012 9:36:57 PM by tony_k]
On a completely different note ... as far as suppressed 9mm uppers, mine is my only non-Colt M16 upper: An original LRM M169 upper, Gen. 4.5, made by Lee Minor back in 2003 ... it's a dual caliber system (9mm and .22RF) integrally suppressed upper. I'm partial to it both because it's so damned quiet, and because I had a very small role in its development.
Here's a video of it that Lee's crew shot in 2005 or so, shooting supersonic 115-gr 9mm. It is way more quiet with 147-gr subsonic; and in .22RF, it's downright silent. |
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tony_k
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Posted: 9/25/2012 9:35:29 PM
[Last Edit: 9/25/2012 9:36:10 PM by tony_k]
And FWIW ... though I pretty much stick to the Uzi for 9mm subgun these days, I started shooting 9mm in my Colt M16A1 around '96-97. I immediately broke a trigger pin, and first upgraded to SS pins, then the KNS pins it wears today. IMHO, they are the best insurance against receiver damage from shooting blowback 9mm uppers on pricey transferable M16s.
Also, I use a Crossfire block with Colt 20- and 32-round mags, as well as two Suomi 72-round conversion drums and a 100-round 9mm Betamag; when all the Colt mags are empty, I switch to a VM HyTech mag block that lets me empty any loaded Uzi mags I still have.  |
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Posted: 9/25/2012 11:07:32 PM
Originally Posted By tony_k:
<snip> I started shooting 9mm in my Colt M16A1 around '96-97. I immediately broke a trigger pin, and first upgraded to SS pins, then the KNS pins it wears today. IMHO, they are the best insurance against receiver damage from shooting blowback 9mm uppers on pricey transferable M16s. Tony, it is stories such as this that have prevented me from ever running 9mm on my m16 lower, KNS pins or not. I do have KNS pins on both of my 16s, but I am still leery of 9mm. |
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Posted: 9/25/2012 11:25:27 PM
Originally Posted By JoshNC:
Originally Posted By tony_k:
<snip> I started shooting 9mm in my Colt M16A1 around '96-97. I immediately broke a trigger pin, and first upgraded to SS pins, then the KNS pins it wears today. IMHO, they are the best insurance against receiver damage from shooting blowback 9mm uppers on pricey transferable M16s. Tony, it is stories such as this that have prevented me from ever running 9mm on my m16 lower, KNS pins or not. I do have KNS pins on both of my 16s, but I am still leery of 9mm. Yeah, I'm with you on that. I never shoot my '16s with any of my 9mm uppers these days. But if all you can afford is one MG, and it's an M16, it can be done if you are very, very careful. But the reality is, why risk a $12k RR lower when you can add an M11/9 or similar second MG for $4k? |
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Posted: 9/26/2012 12:39:48 AM
I was under the impression original Colt DOEs had the factory drilled and pinned in mag blocks.
Pics lifted off the net. Looks like later DOEs didnt have the same drilled and pinned magwells? |
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Posted: 9/26/2012 12:56:22 AM
Ugh I went totally off topic with my last post. I also use VM hytech mag block that uses unmodified Uzi mags and either a 10.5'' Colt 9mm smg upper or a 5.5'' tros 3 lugged upper with a can.
Here's my Tros upper with a trident9 lug can on a true Colt SMG lower. Its pretty damn quiet. Shame it just collects dust now. I go to my MP5k or Uzis for shooting 9mm now. 
Whatever you do pay the little extra coin and get your 9mm bolt ramped so it puts less stain on your hammer pin. |
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Posted: 9/26/2012 1:11:13 AM
Originally Posted By sig-x:
I was under the impression original Colt DOEs had the factory drilled and pinned in mag blocks. http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i9/sigx/5195897524_7c41242313_o.jpg http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i9/sigx/5195897454_eac633865f_o.jpg http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i9/sigx/5191556910_6c7a875e39_o.jpg Pics lifted off the net. Looks like later DOEs didnt have the same drilled and pinned magwells? Sig-X, thanks for posting this. Where did those photos come from? Assuming it is a book, I think I need one... |
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Posted: 9/28/2012 4:58:30 AM
Originally Posted By JoshNC: The Black Rifle: M16 RetrospectiveOriginally Posted By sig-x: I was under the impression original Colt DOEs had the factory drilled and pinned in mag blocks. http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i9/sigx/5195897524_7c41242313_o.jpg http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i9/sigx/5195897454_eac633865f_o.jpg http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i9/sigx/5191556910_6c7a875e39_o.jpg Pics lifted off the net. Looks like later DOEs didnt have the same drilled and pinned magwells? Sig-X, thanks for posting this. Where did those photos come from? Assuming it is a book, I think I need one...  |
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