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Grudgie
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Posted: 7/30/2012 3:45:08 PM EST
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Helo. I was looking around for parts to make my AR15 as close to USMC specs as possible, and on a gun auction site I stumbled upon a M16 parts kit with all the full auto componets. Sear, disconnector, and bolt carrier.

My question is how is this legal? Just anybody could buy these and convert their 15 to a 16.
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Posted: 7/30/2012 4:52:02 AM EST
No it is not legal for you.
They are parts for use in pre 1986 Legally titled NFA rifles.

You can buy a Full Auto rifle but it will cost around $16-18 thousand.
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Posted: 7/30/2012 4:52:57 AM EST
No. Not legal.

In order to make it legally fire more than one round per operation of the trigger, you would have to purchase one converted before the '86 ban, or purchase a conversion device manufactured before the ban. Both are over $10k. Plus, it must be legal in your locality.
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Posted: 7/30/2012 4:53:25 AM EST
Just take a measurement a drill a thrird hole.


KIDDING! DONT DO THAT!

You have to buy a firearm originally intended to be full auto. I believe the street price of a M16 lower is about 16K right now. Start saving.
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Posted: 7/30/2012 4:54:16 AM EST
Well ofcourse I know it's not legal to convert one. I just didn't know you could actually buy the parts to make one.
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Posted: 7/30/2012 5:05:33 AM EST
Originally Posted By Grudgie:
Well ofcourse I know it's not legal to convert one. I just didn't know you could actually buy the parts to make one.


you can buy the parts to repair your pre 86 m16. thats whats for sale.
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Posted: 7/30/2012 5:09:10 AM EST
Originally Posted By Grudgie:
Well ofcourse I know it's not legal to convert one. I just didn't know you could actually buy the parts to make one.


just parts.

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Posted: 7/30/2012 5:13:07 AM EST
Your receiver won't accept those parts anyway. It doen't have the space for the full auto sear cut out of the lower receiver so you couldn't convert it without a good bit of machine shop time.
I do my best to believe the crap in your posts.....
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Posted: 7/30/2012 5:13:30 AM EST
Most places won't even sell you any M16 parts unless you are a Class III FFL holder. But, you can legally purchase an M16 FCG, you can legally posses an M16 FCG, but, you CANNOT legally install them into an AR15 (except for the BC) without possessing the proper license.
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Posted: 7/30/2012 5:37:26 AM EST
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Your receiver won't accept those parts anyway. It doen't have the space for the full auto sear cut out of the lower receiver so you couldn't convert it without a good bit of machine shop time.


This is the key.
Yes you can buy full auto trigger parts, but they wont fit/work in a normal AR lower.
Select fire/full auto lowers have different specs.

If you want full auto, you have to get a registered select fire lower (pre 86') and thats like $16-$20k
You can get a registered drop in auto sear for a standard lower like you have, thats $10-$15k
Or you can get a lightning link for a stand lower like yours. There like $8-$10k and only do full auto, no semi.

And of course you have to do all the NFA paperwork.
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Posted: 7/30/2012 5:46:31 AM EST
Originally Posted By Donner_und_Blitzen:
Originally Posted By Grudgie:
Well ofcourse I know it's not legal to convert one. I just didn't know you could actually buy the parts to make one.


just parts.



ehhhh... ok this is starting to get a little awkward. You can own all the full auto parts you want for the upper receiver however, I would never put a full auto part in the lower without explicit written permission from the ATF.
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Posted: 7/30/2012 5:47:46 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Saddlerocker:
Originally Posted By CovertChannels:
Your receiver won't accept those parts anyway. It doen't have the space for the full auto sear cut out of the lower receiver so you couldn't convert it without a good bit of machine shop time.


This is the key.
Yes you can buy full auto trigger parts, but they wont fit/work in a normal AR lower.
Select fire/full auto lowers have different specs.

If you want full auto, you have to get a registered select fire lower (pre 86') and thats like $16-$20k
You can get a registered drop in auto sear for a standard lower like you have, thats $10-$15k
Or you can get a lightning link for a stand lower like yours. There like $8-$10k and only do full auto, no semi.

And of course you have to do all the NFA paperwork.


I believe very early PSA ARs had the space needed to drop in a full auto sear... that has changed.
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Posted: 7/30/2012 6:01:29 AM EST
you're playing with fire
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Posted: 7/30/2012 6:14:57 AM EST
Originally Posted By thornejc:
Originally Posted By Saddlerocker:
Originally Posted By CovertChannels:
Your receiver won't accept those parts anyway. It doen't have the space for the full auto sear cut out of the lower receiver so you couldn't convert it without a good bit of machine shop time.


This is the key.
Yes you can buy full auto trigger parts, but they wont fit/work in a normal AR lower.
Select fire/full auto lowers have different specs.

If you want full auto, you have to get a registered select fire lower (pre 86') and thats like $16-$20k
You can get a registered drop in auto sear for a standard lower like you have, thats $10-$15k
Or you can get a lightning link for a stand lower like yours. There like $8-$10k and only do full auto, no semi.

And of course you have to do all the NFA paperwork.


I believe very early PSA ARs had the space needed to drop in a full auto sear... that has changed.

Don't Spike's Tactical lowers have the same? Low shelf for RDIAS?
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Posted: 7/30/2012 6:35:49 AM EST

Originally Posted By Eric300:
Most places won't even sell you any M16 parts unless you are a Class III FFL holder. But, you can legally purchase an M16 FCG, you can legally posses an M16 FCG, but, you CANNOT legally install them into an AR15 (except for the BC) without possessing the proper license.

please go get educated, your embarrassing yourself
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Posted: 7/30/2012 6:36:24 AM EST

Originally Posted By thornejc:
Originally Posted By Donner_und_Blitzen:
Originally Posted By Grudgie:
Well ofcourse I know it's not legal to convert one. I just didn't know you could actually buy the parts to make one.


just parts.



ehhhh... ok this is starting to get a little awkward. You can own all the full auto parts you want for the upper receiver however, I would never put a full auto part in the lower without explicit written permission from the ATF.
that wont work either

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Posted: 7/30/2012 6:39:11 AM EST

Originally Posted By Saddlerocker:


This is the key.
Yes you can buy full auto trigger parts, but they wont fit/work in a normal AR lower.
Select fire/full auto lowers have different specs.


actually most will take the fcg, but not the sear, They are less that wont take them than will.

I have a dias and have looked into it more than once
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Posted: 7/30/2012 6:39:33 AM EST
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Posted: 7/30/2012 8:24:50 AM EST
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Originally Posted By TaylorWSO:

Originally Posted By Eric300:
Most places won't even sell you any M16 parts unless you are a Class III FFL holder. But, you can legally purchase an M16 FCG, you can legally posses an M16 FCG, but, you CANNOT legally install them into an AR15 (except for the BC) without possessing the proper license.

please go get educated, your embarrassing yourself


Please explain how I'm 'embarrassing myself'?? Everything that I posted is true. Other then not getting in-depth as what needs to be done to the lower to install an auto-sear. I have personally seen it done to 2 different Bushmaster lowers and they worked exactly how a select-fire should. Not only that, but also with the 3 round burst cam installed. Perhaps you are the one who is embarrassing your self and needs educating....... I can even produce the blueprints on how it's done.
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Posted: 7/30/2012 8:29:56 AM EST
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Originally Posted By TaylorWSO:

Originally Posted By thornejc:
Originally Posted By Donner_und_Blitzen:
Originally Posted By Grudgie:
Well ofcourse I know it's not legal to convert one. I just didn't know you could actually buy the parts to make one.


just parts.



ehhhh... ok this is starting to get a little awkward. You can own all the full auto parts you want for the upper receiver however, I would never put a full auto part in the lower without explicit written permission from the ATF.
that wont work either



Oh I beg to differ. Now who's embarrassing themselves?

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Posted: 7/30/2012 10:53:47 AM EST
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It must just be me, but I always have bad feelings when someone requests/asks about how to do something illegal. Make bombs. Silencers, Full Auto weapons. etc etc.

No offence to anybody. It's just me being wary.

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There are legal methods to make an AR-15 shoot fully automatic. However, there is no legal way to make a machinegun for civilian ownership.

So, the question posed by the op is not illegal in and of itself. It is perfectly legal to make an AR15 fully automatic, by purchasing a conversion device that was registered before the 86 ban.

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Posted: 7/30/2012 10:56:29 AM EST
Originally Posted By GANDYDANCER:
It must just be me, but I always have bad feelings when someone requests/asks about how to do something illegal. Make bombs. Silencers, Full Auto weapons. etc etc.

No offence to anybody. It's just me being wary.

GD


you ever just thought mybe they watch alot of action movies and want too have the option of full auto. i ask the same thing when i first got into AR's. are these fully auto and why would i want a AR if its not fully auto. i didnt know they passed a law where we cant have a full auto without form 4. i still think its stupid you cant just buya 10.5 barrel or whatever length you want. and its dumb that suppresors are illegal without the form 4. when did these stupid laws pass and cant the NRA get it reversed where we can own anything we want. i could see full auto being banned thats it. goverment is making guns not as fun by the day.
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Posted: 7/30/2012 11:11:20 AM EST
Originally Posted By Eric300:
Originally Posted By TaylorWSO:

Originally Posted By Eric300:
Most places won't even sell you any M16 parts unless you are a Class III FFL holder. But, you can legally purchase an M16 FCG, you can legally posses an M16 FCG, but, you CANNOT legally install them into an AR15 (except for the BC) without possessing the proper license.

please go get educated, your embarrassing yourself


Please explain how I'm 'embarrassing myself'?? Everything that I posted is true. Other then not getting in-depth as what needs to be done to the lower to install an auto-sear. I have personally seen it done to 2 different Bushmaster lowers and they worked exactly how a select-fire should. Not only that, but also with the 3 round burst cam installed. Perhaps you are the one who is embarrassing your self and needs educating....... I can even produce the blueprints on how it's done.


excuse me taylor, i was going to post how hes making him self look bad and all. i guess i will anyways.

notice how he highlighted the part where you said you needed a class III FFL? you now get to explain what a class III license is, and you get to do it while not embarrassing your self. but you can't. cause a "class III FFL" doesn't exist.

getting on afrcom and talking about a "class III FFL" is about as mall ninja as you can get.

your either a type 1 FFL (dealer), with a class 3 SOT (NFA dealer). or a type 7 FFL (manufacturer) with a class 2 SOT (NFA manufacturer and dealer). other Federal Firearms License and Special Occupation Tax combinations work but these are the main ones.

you can not get any of these with out a storefront that is making money. as in, a normal joe can't get one with out actually making a business out of it. you can't get a 07/02 or 01/03 license just to collect.

oh god, i just got to the part where you talk about how its legal to get a m16 fcg. what fail.

you havn't seen shit done with two bushmasters. stop telling lies.
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Posted: 7/30/2012 12:29:58 PM EST
why are full auto so expensive??

I was just thinking about this today

bear in mind I am relatively new to AR's and live in a state where I can have nothing fun but if we are allowed to own full auto guns with the proper paperwork why is the hardware so stinking expensive?? It seems that most of the higher end brand uppers today could handle full auto so it seems to me you are just paying for the FCG?

I'm late to the party and a little slow

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Posted: 7/30/2012 12:33:02 PM EST

Originally Posted By fatboyslim34:
why are full auto so expensive??


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new manufacture for lowly civilians was halted in May 1986
so finite supply
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Posted: 7/30/2012 12:34:58 PM EST
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Originally Posted By fatboyslim34:
why are full auto so expensive??


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new manufacture for lowly civilians was halted in May 1986
so finite supply


So there is no such thing as new production full auto firearms for civvies?
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