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Posted: 7/16/2012 7:46:25 PM

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I'm in the process of acquiring a Colt SP1 conversion done by F.B. Whitman & Son, from Winsted, CT.

I understand they used to make a lot of DIAS and manufactured UZI's prior to the 1986 ban.

The conversion looks great, but I know nothing about the quality, reliability and value of this particular gun.

Anyone have any info?
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Posted: 7/16/2012 9:12:58 PM
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Posted: 7/16/2012 10:36:00 PM
As you note, Whitman did do a lot of full-auto conversions, and I have never heard anything bad about them.

But converting a semi AR to FA is not that difficult. It requires milling out the interior of the receiver to clear the FA fire-control parts, then drilling the hole for the autosear. The quality of the milling work is not crucial; even if it's cosmetically challenged, as long as the FA parts have clearance to function, you are good to go.

As far as the autosear pin hole, it's either where it should be, or not. If not, you send it off to M60Joe, who welds it over and redrills it in the correct position. Problem solved.

The real question is, how hard was the gun ridden after it was converted. Judging that is like judging any used, 26+ year old firearm. And that one is up to you.
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Posted: 7/16/2012 11:56:37 PM
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Well, it has been fired since conversion...the face of the hammer shows some minor wear, but it hasn't been shot that much. The buffer and tube (former SP1 Carbine) are like new. The exterior finish is actually very nice.

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Posted: 7/17/2012 12:53:50 AM
The pic looks decent. The auto sear location seems a teensy bit forward of optimal/factory, as it should properly be EXACTLY centered above the centerline of the selector. It probably still works fine, but nothing wrong with a test fire!
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Posted: 7/17/2012 8:32:50 AM
Originally Posted By Circuits:
The pic looks decent. The auto sear location seems a teensy bit forward of optimal/factory, as it should properly be EXACTLY centered above the centerline of the selector. It probably still works fine, but nothing wrong with a test fire!


It is. The selector is not perfectly vertical and is tilting towards the 1 o'clock position ever so slightly.
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Posted: 7/17/2012 10:31:17 AM
Is that finish black?

I'm no expert but tony or circuits will chime in on that, but if the finish is not for that era, it has been redone at some point.
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Posted: 7/17/2012 1:26:19 PM
Originally Posted By Shermantor-AR15:
Is that finish black?

I'm no expert but tony or circuits will chime in on that, but if the finish is not for that era, it has been redone at some point.

If the finish is black, then yes, it has been refinished, and that would make me very, very cautious about buying it.

The finish should be a fairly light gray. However, if it was heavily oiled up before the pic was taken, it might appear black, even though when dry it goes back to gray.
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Posted: 7/17/2012 1:31:04 PM
Originally Posted By Scooter1942:
Well, it has been fired since conversion...the face of the hammer shows some minor wear, but it hasn't been shot that much. The buffer and tube (former SP1 Carbine) are like new. The exterior finish is actually very nice.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c35/scooter1942/M16.jpg

Unfortunately, the hammer, buffer and tube are easily replaced. It's a good move before selling, because it does make the gun look brand new ... when the old parts showed the true use. It's tough to base a verdict on those alone.

For instance, here's an SP1 conversion that M60Joe said he could make look brand new again. Just a little welding and light blasting, then a trip to U.S. Anodizing, and finally install all new fire-control parts.

It makes ya think .... and that's why I shy away from refinished RRs. Ya never know what they looked like prior to the refinish, and cosmetics indicate wear and maintenance:


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Posted: 7/17/2012 2:07:41 PM
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Nope....not refinished the picture is just a little dark. Here's another that is probably closer. Keep in mind these are crappy cell phone pics.



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Posted: 7/17/2012 8:02:17 PM
M60joe can fix anything for $500.. Just take that off the price of the buy.
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Posted: 7/17/2012 10:14:30 PM
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M60joe can fix anything for $500.. Just take that off the price of the buy.


I'd say even less. He was very reasonable for the work I had done on the SP1 I just got. I had him weld in the small pin's, and I did have him refinish it. Which I don't care if people are worried about the condition of it before the refinish, I took a bunch of photos of it, so I can show it, I just wanted a full auto that had the newer darker colt black then the colt grey.
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