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Posted: 9/15/2016 8:30:34 AM EDT
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New SOT status... trying to figure out what types of firearms out there that are pre May dealer samples... ones that don't require a PD love letter. Im not aware of an official list but maybe we can throw one together! Pretty much any MG that was manufacture outside of the US or was exported from the US and then reimported after 1968 has potential to be a Pre-May Sample. Pre-Mays currently for sale online: MG08 MG13 MG34 MG42 MP40 M249 Stoner 63 FAL FNC FND Thompson Sten Lanchester MK1 Walther MPK Uzi BAR Any HK manufactured prior to 1986 Pre-Mays Im 99% sure Ive seen in the past: Sterling Vickers M240 M1919 AK47 Reising Pre-Mays Ive never seen (Sadly  ) :
HK Sears RLL RDIAS M16 RR Websites to watch for good deals on machine guns: http://www.sturmgewehr.com http://www.atfmachinegun.com http://www.autoweapons.com http://www.impactguns.com http://www.subguns.com http://www.onlythebestfirearms.com http://www.davidspiwak.com http://dealernfa.com http://www.gunbroker.com http://www.nfasales.com http://mtmmfg.com http://www.classiiidealers.com/ http://www.westernfirearms.com/ http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/class-iii-full-auto/ http://www.urban-armory.com/ http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_7/118_NFA_Firearms_andamp__Parts.html Website that tracks machine gun values: http://www.machinegunpriceguide.com/ |
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Posted: 9/18/2016 12:24:07 PM EDT
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FWIW, I've seen pre-May Colt M16A1's. A bunch that were exported to South America came back in; while most became parts kits, a few were left intact. In general, they sell for the same as a transferable, because of their rarity.
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Posted: 9/20/2016 4:13:22 PM EDT
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buy some from SOT going out of Biz then no Law letter required thats how we always pick up new stuff for the shop
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Posted: 9/20/2016 6:18:08 PM EDT
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I've always thought it would be cool if an ex-SOT corporation held a bunch of pre-May samples. A regular old civilian could buy the corp and end up with a bunch of pre-May samples without ever being in the business.
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Posted: 9/21/2016 9:36:35 AM EDT
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I've always thought it would be cool if an ex-SOT corporation held a bunch of pre-May samples. A regular old civilian could buy the corp and end up with a bunch of pre-May samples without ever being in the business. Joe You can just get a FFL/SOT, buy a bunch of pre-mays and not renew it as you get to keep them after as a civilian. Most pre-mays are still very expensive and the selection as seen above is fairly limited. |
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Posted: 9/21/2016 9:25:45 PM EDT
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buy some from SOT going out of Biz then no Law letter required thats how we always pick up new stuff for the shop Can you still keep them after giving up the SOT? Know of any M16s or RRs for sale? 
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Posted: 9/22/2016 9:40:01 AM EDT
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Can you still keep them after giving up the SOT? Know of any M16s or RRs for sale? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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buy some from SOT going out of Biz then no Law letter required thats how we always pick up new stuff for the shop Can you still keep them after giving up the SOT? Know of any M16s or RRs for sale? Law letters are a requirement of post samples and no you can't keep them when you give up your FFL like you would a pre-may. Otherwise that dealer wouldn't be selling them 
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Posted: 3/17/2017 1:20:46 PM EDT
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We have 3 pre-May's here at the shop . They don't seem to sell as easily as the Transferables or post samples . We have an AUG , UZI and FAL . Dealers that want blasters get posties , and other folks buy trannies
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Posted: 3/17/2017 4:13:17 PM EDT
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We have 3 pre-May's here at the shop . They don't seem to sell as easily as the Transferables or post samples . We have an AUG , UZI and FAL . Dealers that want blasters get posties , and other folks buy trannies |
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Posted: 3/17/2017 5:19:24 PM EDT
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Working with some folks who have a pre-sample TRW M14.
Still don't know where that one came from. 
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Posted: 3/17/2017 7:52:38 PM EDT
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These two can be added to the list
FN FAL G1 HK G3-SG1 |
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Posted: 3/21/2017 5:51:33 PM EDT
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While this is the MG forum, don't forget other post-68 imported NFA. I own a non-transferable factory 14" Benelli M1 SBS and have seen non-transferable Sig 552 SBRs, one RPG-7 DD, Milkor 40mm rotary DDs, HK69 40mm DDs, and a factory HK MP5SD suppressor. I have not seen personally but have encountered ads for the occasional odd European muzzle can that someone probably imported for R&D purposes.
Returning to pre-86 DS MGs... Schnellfeuer Danish Madsen Walther MPK Sten Steyr AUG Bren AK-47 and RPK Grease Gun Beretta SC70 Swedish K Uzi and Mini Uzi Star SMG Sterling Steyr MPI69 Colombian 22-2 M249 / MAG-58 1919 and M37 PPSh-41 MP18/i MP28/ii (I turned down a stripped receiver at SAR 2006? $3k. I regret that mistake.) MP40 Czech Skorpion (two were displayed at SAR 2002) Marlin UD-42 Beretta 93 Beretta M12 There's at least one presample factory Colt M16A2 out there. I know because I missed it on GunBroker.
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Posted: 3/21/2017 6:02:44 PM EDT
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Working with some folks who have a pre-sample TRW M14. Still don't know where that one came from. But despite my best efforts, I never found a M2HB or a M60 though. Mike |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 12:07:19 AM EDT
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While this is the MG forum, don't forget other post-68 imported NFA. I own a non-transferable factory 14" Benelli M1 SBS and have seen non-transferable Sig 552 SBRs, one RPG-7 DD, Milkor 40mm rotary DDs, HK69 40mm DDs, and a factory HK MP5SD suppressor. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 9:48:28 AM EDT
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Curious (I am not a SOT), can you transfer a premay sample after giving up your SOT and keeping it as a civilian?
If if not how would inheritance work? Can you get premays into a trust? |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 10:10:17 AM EDT
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Yes they can be transferred, but only to current SOTs or government entities. Same for inheritance purposes. If your heir holds a FFL/SOT, they may inherit the item(s) and receive them as a transfer.
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Posted: 3/28/2017 10:48:11 AM EDT
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Yes they can be transferred, but only to current SOTs or government entities. Same for inheritance purposes. If your heir holds a FFL/SOT, they may inherit the item(s) and receive them as a transfer. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 11:10:27 AM EDT
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As compared to post-samples, yes. The only benefit when compared to transferable MGs is that pre-samples are generally less expensive.
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Posted: 3/28/2017 12:44:44 PM EDT
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As compared to post-samples, yes. The only benefit when compared to transferable MGs is that pre-samples are generally less expensive. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 4:16:16 PM EDT
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Very true. Good catch
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Posted: 3/28/2017 11:09:08 PM EDT
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Never seen a FN FNC presample, only FAL, CAL, minimi, 249, and 240.
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Posted: 4/3/2017 12:49:46 AM EDT
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Interesting that you mention the M1 Entry SBS. I own one also, although mine is transferable. My understanding is that they (imported post-68 non-MGs) can become transferable after sitting in LE hands for an arbitrary number of years. It seems to be at the discretion of the examiner. Has anyone seen this happen? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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While this is the MG forum, don't forget other post-68 imported NFA. I own a non-transferable factory 14" Benelli M1 SBS and have seen non-transferable Sig 552 SBRs, one RPG-7 DD, Milkor 40mm rotary DDs, HK69 40mm DDs, and a factory HK MP5SD suppressor. It's my understanding that today Benelli brings in entry guns with a long barrel and cuts them here..? Never got clarification on that. My gun is an early gun- HK was the importer because Benelli didn't even have their own US importer yet. There was an AZ dealer who bought around 50 from a PD. ATF allowed transfers until someone caught that they were non-transferable. All owners got a letter; they could keep them or ATF could reverse the transfer, but they'd have to follow post-68 rules for all subsequent transfers. Any how, I got mine from another AZ dealer. Best $250 I ever spent! Mike |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 9:07:43 PM EDT
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It's my understanding that today Benelli brings in entry guns with a long barrel and cuts them here..? Never got clarification on that. My gun is like yours physically. HK imported it. There aren't any restrictions on my paperwork. Maybe it was simply an error, but I've seen other M1's in the same situation, completely transferable. |
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