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Posted: 8/21/2016 7:48:48 PM EDT
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I've been happy with David Spiwak
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Posted: 8/21/2016 7:49:47 PM EDT
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Double Tap
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Posted: 8/21/2016 8:28:22 PM EDT
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Dude, your in Florida. Never heard of Ruben Mendiola ?
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Posted: 8/21/2016 8:45:30 PM EDT
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You are going to pay way more than you have to if you go to one of those dealers.
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Posted: 8/21/2016 8:59:52 PM EDT
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You are going to pay way more than you have to if you go to one of those dealers. That's why I am asking.. I found those two researching the last few days but I know MG prices haven't gone up THAT much since I looked a year or two ago. What kind of M11 pricing should I be looking for? $4000 best case, $6000 worst case? |
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Posted: 8/21/2016 9:23:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are going to pay way more than you have to if you go to one of those dealers. 
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Posted: 8/21/2016 9:25:07 PM EDT
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Don't know about David Spiwak since I've never heard of him. After going on his site though, most of stuff is reasonable considering the current climate. I know a few people that have dealt with Ruben Mendiola, his reputation goes far beyond the state, never heard anything negative about him. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You are going to pay way more than you have to if you go to one of those dealers. I would love to go to him since I am a Miami local.. But those prices  I cant believe things have changed that much over just a few years
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Posted: 8/21/2016 9:29:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would love to go to him since I am a Miami local.. But those prices I cant believe things have changed that much over just a few yearsQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: You are going to pay way more than you have to if you go to one of those dealers. I would love to go to him since I am a Miami local.. But those prices I cant believe things have changed that much over just a few years |
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Posted: 8/21/2016 10:23:25 PM EDT
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That's why I am asking.. I found those two researching the last few days but I know MG prices haven't gone up THAT much since I looked a year or two ago. What kind of M11 pricing should I be looking for? $4000 best case, $6000 worst case? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You are going to pay way more than you have to if you go to one of those dealers. That's why I am asking.. I found those two researching the last few days but I know MG prices haven't gone up THAT much since I looked a year or two ago. What kind of M11 pricing should I be looking for? $4000 best case, $6000 worst case? Lol. I suggest you buy everyone you can find at that price. Youre looking minimum 7000 and more like 8500. being in florida id check with john thedford at nfasales.com |
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Posted: 8/21/2016 11:20:45 PM EDT
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Websites to watch for good deals on machine guns:
http://www.sturmgewehr.com http://www.shootersdepot.com http://www.atfmachinegun.com http://www.autoweapons.com http://www.impactguns.com http://www.subguns.com http://www.onlythebestfirearms.com http://www.davidspiwak.com http://dealernfa.com http://www.gunbroker.com http://www.nfasales.com http://www.classiiidealers.com/ http://www.westernfirearms.com/ http://www.urban-armory.com/ http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_7/118_NFA_Firearms_andamp__Parts.html Website that tracks machine gun values: http://www.machinegunpriceguide.com/ FWIW, the Mac is a great MG but has seen a massive jump in price in the last year. There are other MGs out there that while still expensive have not increased quite so much. The Lage upper has really increased demand for the Mac, where as other sub guns like the sten, reising and others can still be had in the $5k range. |
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Posted: 8/22/2016 12:05:54 AM EDT
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I paid $5K for my RPB Mac11A1 with can and carbine upper about two years ago. It wasn't a great deal but was local so that helped. They (macs) have gone crazy and they used to be one of the least expensive MGs you could buy.
Now you're looking at Stens, Reisings or MK760s. Mini 14s are still kind of reasonable if that's your kind of thing. Buy now as they will never be cheaper! |
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Posted: 8/22/2016 12:10:35 AM EDT
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You are going to pay way more than you have to if you go to one of those dealers. not necessarily money talks some dealers will dicker, some will sit on a high priced gun for 5 years waiting for a buyer it is a seller's market, don't expect to find a lot of bargains |
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Posted: 8/22/2016 6:08:58 AM EDT
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David Spiwak is good to go, just don't plan on having a long conversation with him he is straight to the point. Plenty of class 3 scams going on just pay the extra $$$ for the piece of mind buying from a well known dealer.
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Posted: 8/22/2016 10:21:15 AM EDT
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Websites to watch for good deals on machine guns: http://www.sturmgewehr.com http://www.shootersdepot.com http://www.atfmachinegun.com http://www.autoweapons.com http://www.impactguns.com http://www.subguns.com http://www.onlythebestfirearms.com http://www.davidspiwak.com http://dealernfa.com http://www.gunbroker.com http://www.nfasales.com http://www.classiiidealers.com/ http://www.westernfirearms.com/ http://www.urban-armory.com/ http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_7/118_NFA_Firearms_andamp__Parts.html Website that tracks machine gun values: http://www.machinegunpriceguide.com/ FWIW, the Mac is a great MG but has seen a massive jump in price in the last year. There are other MGs out there that while still expensive have not increased quite so much. The Lage upper has really increased demand for the Mac, where as other sub guns like the sten, reising and others can still be had in the $5k range. Thanks for the list and other replies. For some reason I waited it out cause I saw one at a gun show a while back for $3200.. Shouldnt have waited |
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Posted: 8/22/2016 12:53:17 PM EDT
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Thanks for the list and other replies. For some reason I waited it out cause I saw one at a gun show a while back for $3200.. Shouldnt have waited Just a thought on prices of dealers vs private sale. With a private sale arranged say on sturm, or subguns there is always a little risk when you're writing a multi thousand dollar check to some random person you've never met before for a gun you've never seen in person. And after the purchase you have to wait close to year to find out if the guy you bought it from was legit or if he was scamming you and never actually owned the MG or submitted a Form 4 to the ATF. MG collectors can often buy this way as they have enough experience to spot a scammer and know all the tricks to make sure the deal is legit. As a first time buyer or small time collector you may want to avoid this risk and buy from a reputable dealer instead. Sure you will pay more but think of it as insurance. You're basically paying 10-20% more though a dealer but you have the comfort of knowing you will get the MG you purchased with no funny business. I got my M16 from a dealer and even knowing what I know now if I was buying another MG I would still pay extra for the peace of mind. Also, this is a more up to date list. Websites to watch for good deals on machine guns: http://www.sturmgewehr.com http://www.atfmachinegun.com http://www.autoweapons.com http://www.impactguns.com http://www.subguns.com http://www.onlythebestfirearms.com http://www.davidspiwak.com http://dealernfa.com http://www.gunbroker.com http://www.nfasales.com http://mtmmfg.com http://www.classiiidealers.com/ http://www.westernfirearms.com/ http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/class-iii-full-auto/ http://www.urban-armory.com/ http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_7/118_NFA_Firearms_andamp__Parts.html Website that tracks machine gun values: http://www.machinegunpriceguide.com/ |
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Posted: 8/22/2016 2:00:39 PM EDT
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Thanks for the list and other replies. For some reason I waited it out cause I saw one at a gun show a while back for $3200.. Shouldnt have waited Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Websites to watch for good deals on machine guns: http://www.sturmgewehr.com http://www.shootersdepot.com http://www.urban-armory.com/ http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_7/118_NFA_Firearms_andamp__Parts.html Website that tracks machine gun values: http://www.machinegunpriceguide.com/ FWIW, the Mac is a great MG but has seen a massive jump in price in the last year. There are other MGs out there that while still expensive have not increased quite so much. The Lage upper has really increased demand for the Mac, where as other sub guns like the sten, reising and others can still be had in the $5k range. Thanks for the list and other replies. For some reason I waited it out cause I saw one at a gun show a while back for $3200.. Shouldnt have waited Yeah, waiting is not a good idea in the NFA market. I always advise people to figure out the current "gunbroker" price range on a gun and then buy the first nice minty one they see at that price or lower. Then some smug guy will chime in saying, "Deals are out there if you look around." Which is true, if you're really lucky you might find one. You might also find a wallet on the sidewalk with no name in it and $500 inside. It happens. But the most likely thing is that you'll watch the "normal" price range for the gun go up by 50% while you're beating the bushes for a "deal". When I bought my NIB UZI four years ago for $8000, that was a disgusting rip-off high end dealer price. At least $500 too much! According to the smug guys, I should have waited for a "deal" and then watched the price go up to $12k in less than a year. Since none of us has a time machine, the only solution to the dilemma is to take your wallet out and buy right now. Stop talking and just go buy a nice minty fresh MG. Just make sure the deal is legitimate, scammers have discovered our little subculture and are placing fake ads for non-existent guns. |
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Posted: 8/22/2016 2:06:35 PM EDT
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Just a thought on prices of dealers vs private sale. With a private sale arranged say on sturm, or subguns there is always a little risk when you're writing a multi thousand dollar check to some random person you've never met before for a gun you've never seen in person. And after the purchase you have to wait close to year to find out if the guy you bought it from was legit or if he was scamming you and never actually owned the MG or submitted a Form 4 to the ATF. MG collectors can often buy this way as they have enough experience to spot a scammer and know all the tricks to make sure the deal is legit. As a first time buyer or small time collector you may want to avoid this risk and buy from a reputable dealer instead. Sure you will pay more but think of it as insurance. You're basically paying 10-20% more though a dealer but you have the comfort of knowing you will get the MG you purchased with no funny business. I got my M16 from a dealer and even knowing what I know now if I was buying another MG I would still pay extra for the peace of mind. Also, this is a more up to date list. Websites to watch for good deals on machine guns: http://www.sturmgewehr.com http://www.atfmachinegun.com http://www.autoweapons.com http://www.impactguns.com http://www.subguns.com http://www.onlythebestfirearms.com http://www.davidspiwak.com http://dealernfa.com http://www.gunbroker.com http://www.nfasales.com http://mtmmfg.com http://www.classiiidealers.com/ http://www.westernfirearms.com/ http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/class-iii-full-auto/ http://www.urban-armory.com/ http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_7/118_NFA_Firearms_andamp__Parts.html Website that tracks machine gun values: http://www.machinegunpriceguide.com/ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thanks for the list and other replies. For some reason I waited it out cause I saw one at a gun show a while back for $3200.. Shouldnt have waited Just a thought on prices of dealers vs private sale. With a private sale arranged say on sturm, or subguns there is always a little risk when you're writing a multi thousand dollar check to some random person you've never met before for a gun you've never seen in person. And after the purchase you have to wait close to year to find out if the guy you bought it from was legit or if he was scamming you and never actually owned the MG or submitted a Form 4 to the ATF. MG collectors can often buy this way as they have enough experience to spot a scammer and know all the tricks to make sure the deal is legit. As a first time buyer or small time collector you may want to avoid this risk and buy from a reputable dealer instead. Sure you will pay more but think of it as insurance. You're basically paying 10-20% more though a dealer but you have the comfort of knowing you will get the MG you purchased with no funny business. I got my M16 from a dealer and even knowing what I know now if I was buying another MG I would still pay extra for the peace of mind. Also, this is a more up to date list. Websites to watch for good deals on machine guns: http://www.sturmgewehr.com http://www.atfmachinegun.com http://www.autoweapons.com http://www.impactguns.com http://www.subguns.com http://www.onlythebestfirearms.com http://www.davidspiwak.com http://dealernfa.com http://www.gunbroker.com http://www.nfasales.com http://mtmmfg.com http://www.classiiidealers.com/ http://www.westernfirearms.com/ http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/class-iii-full-auto/ http://www.urban-armory.com/ http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_7/118_NFA_Firearms_andamp__Parts.html Website that tracks machine gun values: http://www.machinegunpriceguide.com/ I suggested that everyone ask the sellers for a cell phone video of the gun with today's newspaper under it. Everyone said that was dumb. Because they never had to do it before. 
Suppose you're buying an UZI from someone and you say, "Please send me a cell phone video with the gun lying on today's newspaper and your driver's license and zoom in on the serial number and also zoom in on your driver's license. If you do that, I'll send you the check for $15,000 for the gun." If the seller refuses to do that simple, easy task, there is only going to be one reason - the deal is a fraud. |
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Posted: 8/22/2016 3:00:43 PM EDT
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I suggested that everyone ask the sellers for a cell phone video of the gun with today's newspaper under it. Everyone said that was dumb. Because they never had to do it before.
Suppose you're buying an UZI from someone and you say, "Please send me a cell phone video with the gun lying on today's newspaper and your driver's license and zoom in on the serial number and also zoom in on your driver's license. If you do that, I'll send you the check for $15,000 for the gun." If the seller refuses to do that simple, easy task, there is only going to be one reason - the deal is a fraud. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thanks for the list and other replies. For some reason I waited it out cause I saw one at a gun show a while back for $3200.. Shouldnt have waited Just a thought on prices of dealers vs private sale. With a private sale arranged say on sturm, or subguns there is always a little risk when you're writing a multi thousand dollar check to some random person you've never met before for a gun you've never seen in person. And after the purchase you have to wait close to year to find out if the guy you bought it from was legit or if he was scamming you and never actually owned the MG or submitted a Form 4 to the ATF. MG collectors can often buy this way as they have enough experience to spot a scammer and know all the tricks to make sure the deal is legit. As a first time buyer or small time collector you may want to avoid this risk and buy from a reputable dealer instead. Sure you will pay more but think of it as insurance. You're basically paying 10-20% more though a dealer but you have the comfort of knowing you will get the MG you purchased with no funny business. I got my M16 from a dealer and even knowing what I know now if I was buying another MG I would still pay extra for the peace of mind. Also, this is a more up to date list. Websites to watch for good deals on machine guns: http://www.sturmgewehr.com http://www.atfmachinegun.com http://www.autoweapons.com http://www.impactguns.com http://www.subguns.com http://www.onlythebestfirearms.com http://www.davidspiwak.com http://dealernfa.com http://www.gunbroker.com http://www.nfasales.com http://mtmmfg.com http://www.classiiidealers.com/ http://www.westernfirearms.com/ http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/class-iii-full-auto/ http://www.urban-armory.com/ http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_7/118_NFA_Firearms_andamp__Parts.html Website that tracks machine gun values: http://www.machinegunpriceguide.com/ I suggested that everyone ask the sellers for a cell phone video of the gun with today's newspaper under it. Everyone said that was dumb. Because they never had to do it before.
Suppose you're buying an UZI from someone and you say, "Please send me a cell phone video with the gun lying on today's newspaper and your driver's license and zoom in on the serial number and also zoom in on your driver's license. If you do that, I'll send you the check for $15,000 for the gun." If the seller refuses to do that simple, easy task, there is only going to be one reason - the deal is a fraud. I wouldn't go that far. I wouldn't bother with that is someone asked for that. Anything I've sold has had four or five buyers lined up. For an HK sear and K host the guy jumped on a southwest flight for $89 and came and saw it in person. To each his own and what lets you sleep well at night. |
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Posted: 8/22/2016 4:17:19 PM EDT
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Yeah, waiting is not a good idea in the NFA market. I always advise people to figure out the current "gunbroker" price range on a gun and then buy the first nice minty one they see at that price or lower. Then some smug guy will chime in saying, "Deals are out there if you look around." Which is true, if you're really lucky you might find one. You might also find a wallet on the sidewalk with no name in it and $500 inside. It happens. But the most likely thing is that you'll watch the "normal" price range for the gun go up by 50% while you're beating the bushes for a "deal". When I bought my NIB UZI four years ago for $8000, that was a disgusting rip-off high end dealer price. At least $500 too much! According to the smug guys, I should have waited for a "deal" and then watched the price go up to $12k in less than a year. Since none of us has a time machine, the only solution to the dilemma is to take your wallet out and buy right now. Stop talking and just go buy a nice minty fresh MG. Just make sure the deal is legitimate, scammers have discovered our little subculture and are placing fake ads for non-existent guns. At approx. 10% increase in value per year I wouldn't spend more than a couple months looking for a good deal. If you cant find a steal by then just go with one at the fair or even above market price and be done and within a year that Mg you bought which was a "rip off" will now long like a steal and you will be glad you didn't wait. |
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Posted: 8/22/2016 4:30:57 PM EDT
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My experience over 13 years: Nine machine guns bought, five later sold. When buying and selling, I've got the best prices as a seller and as a buyer by dealing with individuals, not dealers. As for dealing with dealers, I've had both good and bad experiences. Oddly enough, with one of the dealers the first experience was good so I went to him again, and the next time was bad. I won't describe the bad experiences or who the dealers were, but I will never deal with any of them, period.
The Subguns website has a "Recommended Dealer" list by state. None of the dealers that I had problems with are on the list. I've never had a problem with any individual buyers or sellers. Maybe I'be been lucky. As others have noted, scammers are out there. I've never done it, but I've read a number of accounts where people have made good purchasing deals from friends or friends of friends. If you have 'gun friendly' friends or are in a shooting club(s), ask around for leads. Best of luck with your quest. MHO, YMMV, et cetera. |
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Posted: 8/22/2016 5:52:58 PM EDT
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I wouldn't go that far. I wouldn't bother with that is someone asked for that. Anything I've sold has had four or five buyers lined up. For an HK sear and K host the guy jumped on a southwest flight for $89 and came and saw it in person. To each his own and what lets you sleep well at night. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thanks for the list and other replies. For some reason I waited it out cause I saw one at a gun show a while back for $3200.. Shouldnt have waited Just a thought on prices of dealers vs private sale. With a private sale arranged say on sturm, or subguns there is always a little risk when you're writing a multi thousand dollar check to some random person you've never met before for a gun you've never seen in person. And after the purchase you have to wait close to year to find out if the guy you bought it from was legit or if he was scamming you and never actually owned the MG or submitted a Form 4 to the ATF. MG collectors can often buy this way as they have enough experience to spot a scammer and know all the tricks to make sure the deal is legit. As a first time buyer or small time collector you may want to avoid this risk and buy from a reputable dealer instead. Sure you will pay more but think of it as insurance. You're basically paying 10-20% more though a dealer but you have the comfort of knowing you will get the MG you purchased with no funny business. I got my M16 from a dealer and even knowing what I know now if I was buying another MG I would still pay extra for the peace of mind. Also, this is a more up to date list. Websites to watch for good deals on machine guns: http://www.sturmgewehr.com Website that tracks machine gun values: http://www.machinegunpriceguide.com/ I suggested that everyone ask the sellers for a cell phone video of the gun with today's newspaper under it. Everyone said that was dumb. Because they never had to do it before.
Suppose you're buying an UZI from someone and you say, "Please send me a cell phone video with the gun lying on today's newspaper and your driver's license and zoom in on the serial number and also zoom in on your driver's license. If you do that, I'll send you the check for $15,000 for the gun." If the seller refuses to do that simple, easy task, there is only going to be one reason - the deal is a fraud. I wouldn't go that far. I wouldn't bother with that is someone asked for that. Anything I've sold has had four or five buyers lined up. For an HK sear and K host the guy jumped on a southwest flight for $89 and came and saw it in person. To each his own and what lets you sleep well at night. Obviously, getting on a plane and inspecting the gun in person is the best idea. As far as the cell phone video goes, I really don't see what the big deal is. How long would it take? Two minutes? How is that such a big imposition? Having a buyer come over to your house is OK but making a 60 second cell phone vid is not? I don't get it. Suppose you're buying a MAC10 from a private seller somewhere in Kansas. You say to the guy, "Please take a cell phone video of the gun and email it to me before I send you the check." The guy says, "Nope, sorry. Two minutes of my time is just too much trouble in exchange for a $7000 sale. You just have to trust me that the deal is legit. Just send me the check and hope for the best." At that point would you still send the check? |
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Posted: 8/22/2016 7:43:51 PM EDT
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I would also suggest asking around your local shops. I was lucky beyond belief when I decided to get an Mac and asked my dealer about buying one. He had just had one of his regular customers ask him about selling his M11 2 days before. One quick call and meet at said shop and I had a m11/9 form 4 filled out for really good deal and got my gun 4 months later. Not sure I would still be in the market for one now since price basically doubled since I got mine.
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Posted: 8/22/2016 11:13:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWhy pay TOP dollar AND sales tax? |
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Posted: 8/22/2016 11:45:50 PM EDT
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If he's got the gun you want... and his reputation is well known. I intend to do an MG next year and I'm definitely going to go through one of the well known dealers just so I don't have to deal with the unknowns. |
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Posted: 8/23/2016 12:10:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If he's got the gun you want... and his reputation is well known. I intend to do an MG next year and I'm definitely going to go through one of the well known dealers just so I don't have to deal with the unknowns. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If he's got the gun you want... and his reputation is well known. I intend to do an MG next year and I'm definitely going to go through one of the well known dealers just so I don't have to deal with the unknowns. More power to you. |
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Posted: 8/23/2016 12:57:50 AM EDT
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I have other stuff that requires my time and coin, if I wanted an smg I would of bought a Mac when they were at five thousand. Guess I missed the bus. If I really wanted one bad, I'd go through Ruben or David. There's no way I'm going to buy from some one unknown and trust them with that amount of money.
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Posted: 8/23/2016 1:10:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have other stuff that requires my time and coin, if I wanted an smg I would of bought a Mac when they were at five thousand. Guess I missed the bus. If I really wanted one bad, I'd go through Ruben or David. There's no way I'm going to buy from some one unknown and trust them with that amount of money. buy mine! I listed them in the EE |
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Posted: 8/23/2016 1:39:21 AM EDT
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I've been happy with David Spiwak |
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Posted: 8/23/2016 5:15:32 AM EDT
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I've been happy with David Spiwak Same. Bought 4 MG's from him and traded 2 to him, plus a few other odds and ends. Trust worthy and a nice guy. Short on words via e-mail or phone (but polite), but in person a regular guy (picked my guns up at his residence). |
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Posted: 8/23/2016 9:41:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: buy mine! I listed them in the EE Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have other stuff that requires my time and coin, if I wanted an smg I would of bought a Mac when they were at five thousand. Guess I missed the bus. If I really wanted one bad, I'd go through Ruben or David. There's no way I'm going to buy from some one unknown and trust them with that amount of money. buy mine! I listed them in the EE
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Posted: 8/23/2016 9:46:56 AM EDT
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You are going to pay way more than you have to if you go to one of those dealers. Part of that premium, is that you know what you're getting. The well respected dealers aren't going to disappear with your money, like some individuals have done, more often than you'd think. |
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Posted: 8/23/2016 10:33:40 AM EDT
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I have other stuff that requires my time and coin, if I wanted an smg I would of bought a Mac when they were at five thousand. Guess I missed the bus. If I really wanted one bad, I'd go through Ruben or David. There's no way I'm going to buy from some one unknown and trust them with that amount of money. you missed the MG bus because the price went up $1500? That's like 3 car payments. buy one, play around with it and then sell it when they're $10,000 and pocket a $3500 profit there's really no downside to buying an MG |
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Posted: 8/23/2016 10:39:43 AM EDT
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If he's got the gun you want... and his reputation is well known. I intend to do an MG next year and I'm definitely going to go through one of the well known dealers just so I don't have to deal with the unknowns. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If he's got the gun you want... and his reputation is well known. I intend to do an MG next year and I'm definitely going to go through one of the well known dealers just so I don't have to deal with the unknowns. Bad things happen to MG buyers who wait a year. Next year you might be priced out of the market, especially if Hillary wins. USGI Thompson M1 and M1A1 models went from $18k last year to $25k this year. There is still a ton up upward pressure on MG prices, they go up in leaps and jerks but they are still going up. |
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Posted: 8/23/2016 10:42:23 AM EDT
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Bad things happen to MG buyers who wait a year. Next year you might be priced out of the market, especially if Hillary wins. USGI Thompson M1 and M1A1 models went from $18k last year to $25k this year. There is still a ton up upward pressure on MG prices, they go up in leaps and jerks but they are still going up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If he's got the gun you want... and his reputation is well known. I intend to do an MG next year and I'm definitely going to go through one of the well known dealers just so I don't have to deal with the unknowns. Bad things happen to MG buyers who wait a year. Next year you might be priced out of the market, especially if Hillary wins. USGI Thompson M1 and M1A1 models went from $18k last year to $25k this year. There is still a ton up upward pressure on MG prices, they go up in leaps and jerks but they are still going up. I think people are in the "how high can they actually go" boat. At this point I am willing to just get one I think. Have they actually went down ever? |
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Posted: 8/23/2016 11:02:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think people are in the "how high can they actually go" boat. At this point I am willing to just get one I think. Have they actually went down ever? Quote HistoryQuoted: I think people are in the "how high can they actually go" boat. At this point I am willing to just get one I think. Have they actually went down ever? people have been saying MGs are too costly since before the 1934. I am sure after 83 years prices will settle down. |
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Posted: 8/23/2016 11:05:15 AM EDT
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I have bought from individuals and dealers. I've only had one problem and it was from a dealer (listed on the first list but not on the later list). For me, I only buy from people who take credit cards, that way I have their safety net for the first 90 days and during those days I better have a copy of the paper work so I can check with ATF to see that things are processing. I don't mind paying the CC fee for a piece of mind.
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Posted: 8/23/2016 12:47:38 PM EDT
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I have bought from individuals and dealers. I've only had one problem and it was from a dealer (listed on the first list but not on the later list). For me, I only buy from people who take credit cards, that way I have their safety net for the first 90 days and during those days I better have a copy of the paper work so I can check with ATF to see that things are processing. I don't mind paying the CC fee for a piece of mind. I did like the deal where you ask the individual for a current news paper with the gun on it. Just started looking and already know who just from other forum posts. Seems hit or miss with a few. I assume I will buy locally and just pay a tad more for peace of mind of seeing it unless I see a really good deal I can go check out over the weekend |
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Posted: 8/23/2016 2:54:25 PM EDT
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If he's got the gun you want... and his reputation is well known. I intend to do an MG next year and I'm definitely going to go through one of the well known dealers just so I don't have to deal with the unknowns. Bad things happen to MG buyers who wait a year. Next year you might be priced out of the market, especially if Hillary wins. USGI Thompson M1 and M1A1 models went from $18k last year to $25k this year. There is still a ton up upward pressure on MG prices, they go up in leaps and jerks but they are still going up. I think people are in the "how high can they actually go" boat. At this point I am willing to just get one I think. Have they actually went down ever? I started watching MG prices around 2008 or so. Back then, when you could buy a NIB Colt M16A1 for like $10k, people were saying that the prices are crazy and "how high can they actually go". At any given time, people are talking themselves out of buying an MG by saying the prices are topped out, even though there is exactly zero evidence that prices are topping out. People don't realize how microscopic the MG market is. If you're looking for a particular MG, there are going to be times during a given year when there are virtually none for sale in the entire USA. That is a tiny market. As fewer "shooters" buy these guns and more high end collectors buy them, they are going to get even more scarce, because collectors sit on guns for decades. Back 5 years ago people kept saying that "there are more FNC sears than host guns". Let's see you find a loose FNC sear for sale now. They completely dried up. To answer your question - When the big bank scam hit in 2010 and everyone was getting laid off and panic-selling their Harleys and boats they bought with their 3rd mortgage loan, MG prices flat-lined or dipped a little bit. Then the MG prices just swam right back up real strong right in the face of the recession. If you look at machinegunpriceguide.com, you can see the dip. http://machinegunpriceguide.com/html/rest_mg_5.html Personally, I think that you are going to see the day when blue chip MGs like UZIs, M16s, Thompsons and MP5s are up to $100k. Some of the museum grade Thompsons are pushing $60k already, and the super high end M16s are in the $30s. |
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Posted: 8/23/2016 3:00:24 PM EDT
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I think people are in the "how high can they actually go" boat. At this point I am willing to just get one I think. Have they actually went down ever? https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRLbG-K11hJGz5zd7qUhypkJDRLpn_Dv7HDhacMtxy15IgQzXZM people have been saying MGs are too costly since before the 1934. I am sure after 83 years prices will settle down. It took about 10 years after the 86 hughes amendment before collectors really started going bugshit over MGs. I think it was youtube that did it. It's a 24/7 commercial for MG ownership. If you make a real nice MG video, you might get 10 million hits on it. |
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Posted: 8/23/2016 3:06:42 PM EDT
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So I'm really not going to get "much" cheaper than gun broker auctions right?
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Posted: 8/23/2016 3:11:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So I'm really not going to get "much" cheaper than gun broker auctions right? post a link, and we will help you. Some guys will say buy it now, no matter what. There are others here that have fired more MGs then most have seen. That knowledge is here to use.. |
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Posted: 8/23/2016 3:15:43 PM EDT
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post a link, and we will help you. Some guys will say buy it now, no matter what. There are others here that have fired more MGs then most have seen. That knowledge is here to use.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So I'm really not going to get "much" cheaper than gun broker auctions right? post a link, and we will help you. Some guys will say buy it now, no matter what. There are others here that have fired more MGs then most have seen. That knowledge is here to use.. Ok.. There are certain people I hear "some" (not all) bad things about. I see quite a few things from one of them, BUT it says "The buyer will have a 3 day money back inspection period after this is received your ffl." I don't really see how you can get screwed with this option. I can visit the shop, inspect and check the pinholes, etc (correct me if that isn't on the top of importance since most other things are replaceable) and test fire at that point. |
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Posted: 8/23/2016 3:24:24 PM EDT
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Bought from dealers and individuals. Only problem I ever had was with a local dealer, that has high regard in the industry. Not on the list but has a big setup at the creek every year. Took 3 years to resolve the matter.
Regarding deals on mg's they come along rarely, but can be had, you have to be checking everywhere multiple times a day. You have to be ready to jump on it too if you find one. If your looking for a deal you shouldn't be shopping for a specific mg, you should be shopping for a deal. Know the price of all the major items, and if something pops up for an awesome price buy it. Vetting the buyer is tricky, use your gut. Scams are everywhere on the internet and mg's are not my only hobby where I have had to be diligent about scammers. I have bought just off pictures and email, all the way to flying to go check the item out. Depends where it's posted, as well as how it's posted. Typically photos and a phone conversation are all that's really needed. |
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Posted: 8/23/2016 3:24:55 PM EDT
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There are a lot of sellers with very nice collections, but if you start running them thru the wringer as though they are a scammer, making extra ordinary demands for provenance until you are personally satisfied, your gonna miss some opportunities, especially if you find something for a "deal". Some sellers are curmudgeonly old men that are either not tech literate or don't care to waste their time without a firm commitment. Especially when selling online there are 20 tire kickers asking for pictures and copies of forms for everyone 1 person that will actually write a check. This is also how scammers get phots of guns and their corresponding forms to Photoshop to try and scam, so that's the flip side of the coin from the sellers perspective too. Use Google image search and tineye to see if photos have been posted previously elsewhere.
Regarding the video recommendation, I support the idea. But no chance in hell I am sending a digital copy of my DL. I'll happily provide my name address and references, but Joe blow on the internet does not need my DL #, nor a digital copy of my entire DL. |
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Posted: 8/23/2016 3:29:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok.. There are certain people I hear "some" (not all) bad things about. I see quite a few things from one of them, BUT it says "The buyer will have a 3 day money back inspection period after this is received your ffl." I don't really see how you can get screwed with this option. I can visit the shop, inspect and check the pinholes, etc (correct me if that isn't on the top of importance since most other things are replaceable) and test fire at that point. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So I'm really not going to get "much" cheaper than gun broker auctions right? post a link, and we will help you. Some guys will say buy it now, no matter what. There are others here that have fired more MGs then most have seen. That knowledge is here to use.. Ok.. There are certain people I hear "some" (not all) bad things about. I see quite a few things from one of them, BUT it says "The buyer will have a 3 day money back inspection period after this is received your ffl." I don't really see how you can get screwed with this option. I can visit the shop, inspect and check the pinholes, etc (correct me if that isn't on the top of importance since most other things are replaceable) and test fire at that point. He is a broker, he does not have the gun. Prob is not even in the same state as it, he does have the rare market forced deal.. There are Auctions like Juliet and Rock Island |
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Posted: 8/23/2016 3:37:01 PM EDT
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So I'm really not going to get "much" cheaper than gun broker auctions right? post a link, and we will help you. Some guys will say buy it now, no matter what. There are others here that have fired more MGs then most have seen. That knowledge is here to use.. Ok.. There are certain people I hear "some" (not all) bad things about. I see quite a few things from one of them, BUT it says "The buyer will have a 3 day money back inspection period after this is received your ffl." I don't really see how you can get screwed with this option. I can visit the shop, inspect and check the pinholes, etc (correct me if that isn't on the top of importance since most other things are replaceable) and test fire at that point. He is a broker, he does not have the gun. Prob is not even in the same state as it, he does have the rare market forced deal.. There are Auctions like Juliet and Rock Island Ok but at that point it just comes down to if who he is selling for is selling crap. Maybe bad practice, but if you get the chance to see it and test fire it you are good I assume (3 day guarantee) |
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Posted: 8/23/2016 3:52:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok but at that point it just comes down to if who he is selling for is selling crap. Maybe bad practice, but if you get the chance to see it and test fire it you are good I assume (3 day guarantee) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So I'm really not going to get "much" cheaper than gun broker auctions right? post a link, and we will help you. Some guys will say buy it now, no matter what. There are others here that have fired more MGs then most have seen. That knowledge is here to use.. Ok.. There are certain people I hear "some" (not all) bad things about. I see quite a few things from one of them, BUT it says "The buyer will have a 3 day money back inspection period after this is received your ffl." I don't really see how you can get screwed with this option. I can visit the shop, inspect and check the pinholes, etc (correct me if that isn't on the top of importance since most other things are replaceable) and test fire at that point. He is a broker, he does not have the gun. Prob is not even in the same state as it, he does have the rare market forced deal.. There are Auctions like Juliet and Rock Island Ok but at that point it just comes down to if who he is selling for is selling crap. Maybe bad practice, but if you get the chance to see it and test fire it you are good I assume (3 day guarantee) |
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Posted: 8/23/2016 4:01:41 PM EDT
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Are you still saying you wouldn't do it? All my purchase knowledge is coming from this forum lol
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Posted: 8/23/2016 4:01:42 PM EDT
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So I'm really not going to get "much" cheaper than gun broker auctions right? post a link, and we will help you. Some guys will say buy it now, no matter what. There are others here that have fired more MGs then most have seen. That knowledge is here to use.. Ok.. There are certain people I hear "some" (not all) bad things about. I see quite a few things from one of them, BUT it says "The buyer will have a 3 day money back inspection period after this is received your ffl." I don't really see how you can get screwed with this option. I can visit the shop, inspect and check the pinholes, etc (correct me if that isn't on the top of importance since most other things are replaceable) and test fire at that point. He is a broker, he does not have the gun. Prob is not even in the same state as it, he does have the rare market forced deal.. There are Auctions like Juliet and Rock Island Ok but at that point it just comes down to if who he is selling for is selling crap. Maybe bad practice, but if you get the chance to see it and test fire it you are good I assume (3 day guarantee) Pretty sure I have seen posts that Frank's 3 day money back guarantee isn't as painless in practice as it is in theory. Not every dealer is going to have a range for you to test fire. Also with regards to the people "selling crap" you should be able to tell enough from photos, everything else can be fixed if need be. Your paying for the paperwork...my 2 cents fwiw |
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Posted: 8/23/2016 4:04:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI work for a dealer and we use him all the time to get guns for our customers. Rubens character is beyond question. |
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