Smith&Wesson 5906 TSW w/ auto sear - Page 1

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Smith&Wesson 5906 TSW w/ auto sear

Posted: 4/3/2016 12:21:55 AM EDT

I got my machine pistol back from the gunsmith, who is a respected machine pistol smith.

He took the registered sear out of the original host (S&W 659) and installed it into a 5906 TSW. At first, I was going to install the sear into a 5906 Performance Center, but I like the idea of being able to install a front vertical grip, which on a registered machine pistol is legal to do. So I decided on the 5906 TSW.

The downside to installing the sear into the 5906 is that I can no longer use the swing down folding pistol stock. This is a minor downside because I don't like the stock.

Here is a video of me shooting the machine pistol. I've been shooting it for about a month, and with practice, I'm getting better. It's a lot of fun. With practice, it's becoming easier to manage.

https://youtu.be/TV8ni6MVb1c

Will someone be kind enough to embed the video into post?

Here is a pic of the machine pistol with the new host, a Smith&Wesson 5906 TSW, aka the S&W Tactical9. This is a registered NFA machine gun.

How does one reduce the size of these pics?

Here's one of the 7inch targets from the above shooting session. Shot from 10 yards.

Posted: 4/3/2016 12:25:41 AM EDT

[#1]

Dude that is badass!

Posted: 4/3/2016 12:33:41 AM EDT

[#2]

neat

Posted: 4/3/2016 7:20:54 AM EDT

[#3]

Can you get higher capacity mags? The ROF didn't seem too high. Looks like you had decent control.

Thanks for sharing.

Posted: 4/3/2016 7:24:09 AM EDT

[#4]

Tagged for at home!

Posted: 4/3/2016 7:39:58 AM EDT

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Posted: 4/3/2016 8:33:33 AM EDT

[#6]

Neat!! I'm curious what the internals look like though. I never heard of this type of registered sear before.

Posted: 4/3/2016 9:25:42 AM EDT

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2A, Yes, I have several 30 round magazines.

Thanks, Osprey!

Thanks for the kind words, fellas.

Posted: 4/3/2016 10:12:44 AM EDT

[#8]

The Glock machine pistols do nothing for me but that is one damn sexy pistol!

Posted: 4/3/2016 10:33:56 AM EDT

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Can you get higher capacity mags? The ROF didn't seem too high. Looks like you had decent control.

Thanks for sharing.

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Posted: 4/3/2016 10:41:43 AM EDT

[#10]

Sweet

Posted: 4/3/2016 7:04:23 PM EDT

[#11]

pants = tight

Posted: 4/3/2016 10:45:35 PM EDT

[#12]

so kewl

Posted: 4/3/2016 10:55:59 PM EDT

[#13]

That's a great gun!

Posted: 4/4/2016 4:58:53 AM EDT

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Can you get higher capacity mags? The ROF didn't seem too high. Looks like you had decent control.

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Seemed pretty high to me

Posted: 4/4/2016 2:23:06 PM EDT

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Try a FA broom handle, everything is slow afterwards

Posted: 4/5/2016 2:20:51 AM EDT

[#16]

Killer dude! Hope to see it one day.

Posted: 4/6/2016 12:47:48 AM EDT

[#17]

Awesome. Looked quite controllable

Posted: 4/6/2016 4:12:40 PM EDT

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try it sometime

I'd love to see someone hang a huge sheet of clean paper 25 yards downrange

big enough to catch all the bullets

and then shoot a mag at a 6" target black right in the center

people can get awesome at shooting those kind of guns but I think most people would end up with a 25 yard group that was 2 feet wide by 15 feet tall

Posted: 4/6/2016 7:39:22 PM EDT

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try it sometime

I'd love to see someone hang a huge sheet of clean paper 25 yards downrange

big enough to catch all the bullets

and then shoot a mag at a 6" target black right in the center

people can get awesome at shooting those kind of guns but I think most people would end up with a 25 yard group that was 2 feet wide by 15 feet tall

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Awesome. Looked quite controllable

try it sometime

I'd love to see someone hang a huge sheet of clean paper 25 yards downrange

big enough to catch all the bullets

and then shoot a mag at a 6" target black right in the center

people can get awesome at shooting those kind of guns but I think most people would end up with a 25 yard group that was 2 feet wide by 15 feet tall

The same thing can be said of an M16/FA AR, if given to an inexperienced M16 shooter.

We've all heard people say that a 223 FA is totally uncontrollable. Those of us who have experience with the M16 platform know that assertion to be totally untrue.

Most people shooting a machine pistol wouldn't know how to shoot it because the machine gun ban made them so rare that no one gets to shoot and familiarize themselves with a machine pistol.

That's not really the fault of the tool.

The machine pistol requires lots of practice and perfect form to shoot well, but it's very usuable and controllable.

Posted: 4/7/2016 12:30:51 PM EDT

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The same thing can be said of an M16/FA AR, if given to an inexperienced M16 shooter.

We've all heard people say that a 223 FA is totally uncontrollable. Those of us who have experience with the M16 platform know that assertion to be totally untrue.

Most people shooting a machine pistol wouldn't know how to shoot it because the machine gun ban made them so rare that no one gets to shoot and familiarize themselves with a machine pistol.

That's not really the fault of the tool.

The machine pistol requires lots of practice and perfect form to shoot well, but it's very usuable and controllable.

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Awesome. Looked quite controllable

try it sometime

I'd love to see someone hang a huge sheet of clean paper 25 yards downrange

big enough to catch all the bullets

and then shoot a mag at a 6" target black right in the center

people can get awesome at shooting those kind of guns but I think most people would end up with a 25 yard group that was 2 feet wide by 15 feet tall

The same thing can be said of an M16/FA AR, if given to an inexperienced M16 shooter.

We've all heard people say that a 223 FA is totally uncontrollable. Those of us who have experience with the M16 platform know that assertion to be totally untrue.

Most people shooting a machine pistol wouldn't know how to shoot it because the machine gun ban made them so rare that no one gets to shoot and familiarize themselves with a machine pistol.

That's not really the fault of the tool.

The machine pistol requires lots of practice and perfect form to shoot well, but it's very usuable and controllable.

After watching experienced bolt and semi auto shooters turn an Uzi and an M16 into anti-aircraft guns in the full auto mode, I have installed vertical front grips on both guns. Not a total cure, but appears to help reduce 'climb'.

MHO, YMMV, etc.

Posted: 4/7/2016 2:38:02 PM EDT

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The same thing can be said of an M16/FA AR, if given to an inexperienced M16 shooter.

We've all heard people say that a 223 FA is totally uncontrollable. Those of us who have experience with the M16 platform know that assertion to be totally untrue.

Most people shooting a machine pistol wouldn't know how to shoot it because the machine gun ban made them so rare that no one gets to shoot and familiarize themselves with a machine pistol.

That's not really the fault of the tool.

The machine pistol requires lots of practice and perfect form to shoot well, but it's very usuable and controllable.

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Awesome. Looked quite controllable

try it sometime

I'd love to see someone hang a huge sheet of clean paper 25 yards downrange

big enough to catch all the bullets

and then shoot a mag at a 6" target black right in the center

people can get awesome at shooting those kind of guns but I think most people would end up with a 25 yard group that was 2 feet wide by 15 feet tall

The same thing can be said of an M16/FA AR, if given to an inexperienced M16 shooter.

We've all heard people say that a 223 FA is totally uncontrollable. Those of us who have experience with the M16 platform know that assertion to be totally untrue.

Most people shooting a machine pistol wouldn't know how to shoot it because the machine gun ban made them so rare that no one gets to shoot and familiarize themselves with a machine pistol.

That's not really the fault of the tool.

The machine pistol requires lots of practice and perfect form to shoot well, but it's very usuable and controllable.

you don't see any difference between a full length shoulder fired automatic rifle and a full auto handgun?

I sure do

Posted: 4/7/2016 5:54:00 PM EDT

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Of course there's a difference. No doubt that a stock equipped automatic rifle is much easier to shoot than a machine pistol.

My point is that you can't base the effectiveness of a firearm on the inexperienced users' results.

Posted: 4/8/2016 6:47:34 AM EDT

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try it sometime

I'd love to see someone hang a huge sheet of clean paper 25 yards downrange

big enough to catch all the bullets

and then shoot a mag at a 6" target black right in the center

people can get awesome at shooting those kind of guns but I think most people would end up with a 25 yard group that was 2 feet wide by 15 feet tall

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Awesome. Looked quite controllable

try it sometime

I'd love to see someone hang a huge sheet of clean paper 25 yards downrange

big enough to catch all the bullets

and then shoot a mag at a 6" target black right in the center

people can get awesome at shooting those kind of guns but I think most people would end up with a 25 yard group that was 2 feet wide by 15 feet tall

Jerry Miculek to the white courtesy phone please, Jerry Miculek to the courtesy phone.

Posted: 4/9/2016 1:39:38 AM EDT

[#24]

Looks like fun

Posted: 4/9/2016 3:25:55 PM EDT

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Of course there's a difference. No doubt that a stock equipped automatic rifle is much easier to shoot than a machine pistol.

My point is that you can't base the effectiveness of a firearm on the inexperienced users' results.

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It's a cool gun and it looks fun to shoot but the effectiveness as a weapon is going to be hugely degraded by the lack of stability.

What you can do with that pistol at 10 yards, a guy with a Thompson can do at 150 yards.

If a full auto pistol was a good weapon, then no military would have used submachine guns.

Why are security personnel all over the world walking around with UZIs and HKs and M4s and not full auto handguns?

If you take a MAC10 and extend the stock and hold it on the handgrip with both hands, you easily can put all 32 shots onto a milkbottle target at 25 yards.

Try it without the stock, you're lucky if 10 shots hit the target. As soon as you pull the trigger the gun starts climbing and the muzzle jerks up and down violently as the bold slams forward and backward.

Every time I have a discussion like this, people assure me that I'm just a bad shot and that they can shoot a 50 BMG one handed like Robocop.

But then whenever I go to the range, somehow it turns out that I'm the best shot there.

That weird, isn't it?

Posted: 4/9/2016 4:53:40 PM EDT

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Now we're just arguing arguendo.

I get everything you're saying. I'm not debating those points.

My only point is that a machine pistol is a lot more controllable than most people think. I'm not making a comparison statement As to whether this or that is more effective. That's a different premise, altogether.

Again, my only argument is this: the machine pistol is a lot more controllable than what most people think.

Posted: 4/9/2016 7:47:07 PM EDT

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people can get awesome at shooting those kind of guns but I think most people would end up with a 25 yard group that was 2 feet wide by 15 feet tall

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Most people who shoot my Glock 18C for the first time do not get 5 bullets downrange before the recoil causes a limp wrist induced stove-pipe.

Posted: 4/9/2016 7:52:12 PM EDT

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Why are security personnel all over the world walking around with UZIs and HKs and M4s and not full auto handguns?

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Concealment, compactness. weight, etc., are not an issue?

You are comparing apples to oranges. F/A Machine Pistols are designed for a specific purpose. Comparing to other guns not designed for that purpose is not really much of a comparison.

Let's be serious here. If it were not for the ban, would anyone buy a S/A pistol? Probably not as who would make one? Just make a select fire and let the user decide how to use it.

Posted: 4/9/2016 11:04:44 PM EDT

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The discussion has two parts now:

Are machine pistols more controllable than most people think? Maybe? Who knows how most people think? Most people don't know much, so I guess it depends on how optimistic or pessimistic the people in question are.

Are machine pistols a useful weapon? I guess I would base that on the practical real life use of them. We can speculate forever about it, but the proof of the pudding is how many police or military types are actually using them. Does the US secret service use them? SAS? LAPD SWAT? I wonder how many Glock 18s are used compared to sub-compact subguns like the FN P90.

Posted: 4/9/2016 11:57:16 PM EDT

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On another note...

Here's a slo-mo close up video of my pistol. You can see how the gun moves during F/A fire. It looks like the second round goes high, and the final two or three rounds also go high. The first and middle rounds all land practically on target (7x7 inch targ at 10 yards).

Here's my video. I've been shooting this gun for a couple of months.

https://youtu.be/nPTFefFpxWc

I can't find any machine pistol tutorials, so I'm self-teaching and experimenting with different stances and grips.