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Posted: 9/30/2015 9:51:50 PM EDT
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As cool as an M2HB is I would avoid it unless you have the ability to transport it, store it and place to shoot it. It's a much bigger MG than you think.
Based on your requiements I would rcommend a HK sear, It opens up a wide array of belt Feds and you can abuse a semi-auto host and repair/replace at minimal cost. Be sure to avoid anything with historic value. I'm partial to the M16 but its belt fed options are limited to the Shrike. If you don't mind a loss of versatility a M60E6 is an awesome MG. An M249 is durable and well recognized but most are pre-may samples and would require you to be a dealer. |
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Posted: 9/30/2015 10:12:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/30/2015 10:18:55 PM EDT
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As cool as an M2HB is I would avoid it unless you have the ability to transport it, store it and place to shoot it. It's a much bigger MG than you think. Based on your requiements I would rcommend a HK sear, It opens up a wide array of belt Feds and you can abuse a semi-auto host and repair/replace at minimal cost. Be sure to avoid anything with historic value. I'm partial to the M16 but its belt fed options are limited to the Shrike. If you don't mind a loss of versatility a M60E6 is an awesome MG. An M249 is durable and well recognized but most are pre-may samples and would require you to be a dealer. There's also the LM-7 .22 belt fed upper and Freedom Ordnance is preselling their FM-9 9mm belt-fed upper. |
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Posted: 9/30/2015 10:21:52 PM EDT
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There's also the LM-7 .22 belt fed upper and Freedom Ordnance is preselling their FM-9 9mm belt-fed upper. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As cool as an M2HB is I would avoid it unless you have the ability to transport it, store it and place to shoot it. It's a much bigger MG than you think. Based on your requiements I would rcommend a HK sear, It opens up a wide array of belt Feds and you can abuse a semi-auto host and repair/replace at minimal cost. Be sure to avoid anything with historic value. I'm partial to the M16 but its belt fed options are limited to the Shrike. If you don't mind a loss of versatility a M60E6 is an awesome MG. An M249 is durable and well recognized but most are pre-may samples and would require you to be a dealer. There's also the LM-7 .22 belt fed upper and Freedom Ordnance is preselling their FM-9 9mm belt-fed upper. True, but I thought he only wanted rifle caliber. |
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Posted: 9/30/2015 10:48:11 PM EDT
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I have owned pretty much all the popular options in machineguns, with out question the Colt M16 would be my choice if I had to choose one MG.
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Posted: 9/30/2015 10:54:24 PM EDT
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As cool as an M2HB is I would avoid it unless you have the ability to transport it, store it and place to shoot it. It's a much bigger MG than you think. Based on your requiements I would rcommend a HK sear, It opens up a wide array of belt Feds and you can abuse a semi-auto host and repair/replace at minimal cost. Be sure to avoid anything with historic value. I'm partial to the M16 but its belt fed options are limited to the Shrike. If you don't mind a loss of versatility a M60E6 is an awesome MG. An M249 is durable and well recognized but most are pre-may samples and would require you to be a dealer. There's also the LM-7 .22 belt fed upper and Freedom Ordnance is preselling their FM-9 9mm belt-fed upper. True, but I thought he only wanted rifle caliber. I read it as he was saying he wanted a rifle not a SMG since he'd have to choose, but I don't think that he would discount the extra options if he could have both. |
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Posted: 9/30/2015 11:09:49 PM EDT
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I personally wouldn't want my one and only machinegun to be an M2.
As others have mentioned they are heavy as hell, very few ranges will allow them so most likely plan on having your own land and a lot of it in order to shoot one safely, good ammo is $3 to $4 a round unless you want to reload 50, and in my personal estimation they really require targets commensurate with their reputation. (i.e. who wants to shoot paper targets, clays, dirt, or even tannerite with an M2...which is what most ranges will let you shoot) If you are going to all the trouble and effort to run a maduce that also means dragging out old major appliances, cars, boats, a trailer of pumpkins, etc. and then cleaning all that shit up when you are done. Every so often I think I want an M2, then I come to my senses that I have a semi-auto Barrett that I shoot maybe once a year at best. For 45K I would personally go with either an M16 (or M16 Sear) + Shrike or an HK Sear or Box + a 23E variant. While the 51B is a cool fire-breather, I would suggest a 21 or 23EK so you can get the quick change barrels and the flip down feed mech vs. the 51B. I could see the allure of an MG3 /MG42 but it doesn't offer anywhere near the flexibility of the M16 or HK Sear platform, so you really need to be committed to shooting 308 at 1200RPM off a bipod/tripod forever. |
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Posted: 9/30/2015 11:14:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:By the way, that water-cooled one is sex on toast. How much additional fire time does a set up like that give you over air cooled? Double the sustained fire safely? As long as the jacket has water, you can hold down the trigger and not pause, except to load a new belt and occasionally top off water. The rule of thumb for a Vickers is 4-5 belts to get it boiling and 1 pint of boil off per belt after that. (5 pints in the jacket, IIRC) Maximum rate of fire and sustained rate of fire are the same for a water cooled gun. Tony is correct about ammo versatility in the 1919. Vickers/Maxims are the same (although a medium caliber such as 7.62x39 won't cycle one), but it's somewhat irrelevant. Combloc calibers are the way to go due to cost and continued production, barring an import ban. I just scooped up 5,000 rounds of 303 British (Boxer primed HXP) at $0.25 each, but that's a nice surprise and not the norm. As odd as it might seem, I consider taking targets to the range to be the bigger burden with the belt fed. One can clear the field rapidly with a belt fed. Some video to feed the lust: 
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Posted: 10/1/2015 12:27:03 AM EDT
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I personally wouldn't want my one and only machinegun to be an M2. As others have mentioned they are heavy as hell, very few ranges will allow them so most likely plan on having your own land and a lot of it in order to shoot one safely, good ammo is $3 to $4 a round unless you want to reload 50, and in my personal estimation they really require targets commensurate with their reputation. (i.e. who wants to shoot paper targets, clays, dirt, or even tannerite with an M2...which is what most ranges will let you shoot) If you are going to all the trouble and effort to run a maduce that also means dragging out old major appliances, cars, boats, a trailer of pumpkins, etc. and then cleaning all that shit up when you are done. Every so often I think I want an M2, then I come to my senses that I have a semi-auto Barrett that I shoot maybe once a year at best. For 45K I would personally go with either an M16 (or M16 Sear) + Shrike or an HK Sear or Box + a 23E variant. While the 51B is a cool fire-breather, I would suggest a 21 or 23EK so you can get the quick change barrels and the flip down feed mech vs. the 51B. I could see the allure of an MG3 /MG42 but it doesn't offer anywhere near the flexibility of the M16 or HK Sear platform, so you really need to be committed to shooting 308 at 1200RPM off a bipod/tripod forever. I agree 100%. I only posted the 51b as an example of the ludicrousness you can get into with an HK sear. I think a mm23e or mm21e are far more practical and a better first choice. |
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Posted: 10/1/2015 12:39:27 AM EDT
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I agree 100%. I only posted the 51b as an example of the ludicrousness you can get into with an HK sear. I think a mm23e or mm21e are far more practical and a better first choice. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I personally wouldn't want my one and only machinegun to be an M2. As others have mentioned they are heavy as hell, very few ranges will allow them so most likely plan on having your own land and a lot of it in order to shoot one safely, good ammo is $3 to $4 a round unless you want to reload 50, and in my personal estimation they really require targets commensurate with their reputation. (i.e. who wants to shoot paper targets, clays, dirt, or even tannerite with an M2...which is what most ranges will let you shoot) If you are going to all the trouble and effort to run a maduce that also means dragging out old major appliances, cars, boats, a trailer of pumpkins, etc. and then cleaning all that shit up when you are done. Every so often I think I want an M2, then I come to my senses that I have a semi-auto Barrett that I shoot maybe once a year at best. For 45K I would personally go with either an M16 (or M16 Sear) + Shrike or an HK Sear or Box + a 23E variant. While the 51B is a cool fire-breather, I would suggest a 21 or 23EK so you can get the quick change barrels and the flip down feed mech vs. the 51B. I could see the allure of an MG3 /MG42 but it doesn't offer anywhere near the flexibility of the M16 or HK Sear platform, so you really need to be committed to shooting 308 at 1200RPM off a bipod/tripod forever. I agree 100%. I only posted the 51b as an example of the ludicrousness you can get into with an HK sear. I think a mm23e or mm21e are far more practical and a better first choice. Never seen/fired one in person nor met anybody who has but 51Bs are definitely pretty cool looking guns. I would love to add one at some point to the HK host collection since as you mentioned they are about as extreme in the HK host spectrum you can get and I have a publicized soft-spot for the ole 51. |
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Posted: 10/1/2015 12:54:13 AM EDT
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Never seen/fired one in person nor met anybody who has but 51Bs are definitely pretty cool looking guns. I would love to add one at some point to the HK host collection since as you mentioned they are about as extreme in the HK host spectrum you can get and I have a publicized soft-spot for the ole 51. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I personally wouldn't want my one and only machinegun to be an M2. As others have mentioned they are heavy as hell, very few ranges will allow them so most likely plan on having your own land and a lot of it in order to shoot one safely, good ammo is $3 to $4 a round unless you want to reload 50, and in my personal estimation they really require targets commensurate with their reputation. (i.e. who wants to shoot paper targets, clays, dirt, or even tannerite with an M2...which is what most ranges will let you shoot) If you are going to all the trouble and effort to run a maduce that also means dragging out old major appliances, cars, boats, a trailer of pumpkins, etc. and then cleaning all that shit up when you are done. Every so often I think I want an M2, then I come to my senses that I have a semi-auto Barrett that I shoot maybe once a year at best. For 45K I would personally go with either an M16 (or M16 Sear) + Shrike or an HK Sear or Box + a 23E variant. While the 51B is a cool fire-breather, I would suggest a 21 or 23EK so you can get the quick change barrels and the flip down feed mech vs. the 51B. I could see the allure of an MG3 /MG42 but it doesn't offer anywhere near the flexibility of the M16 or HK Sear platform, so you really need to be committed to shooting 308 at 1200RPM off a bipod/tripod forever. I agree 100%. I only posted the 51b as an example of the ludicrousness you can get into with an HK sear. I think a mm23e or mm21e are far more practical and a better first choice. Never seen/fired one in person nor met anybody who has but 51Bs are definitely pretty cool looking guns. I would love to add one at some point to the HK host collection since as you mentioned they are about as extreme in the HK host spectrum you can get and I have a publicized soft-spot for the ole 51. I haven't fired or seen one in person, nor have I seen one for sale anywhere as a semi host. There is that one gun that is still for sale that's an RR, but beyond that they're fairly impossible to come by |
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Posted: 10/1/2015 1:22:18 AM EDT
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as someone mentioned above, a semi auto Barrett will give you plenty of that .50 BMG feel and will feel like transporting a handgun to the range compared to a M2. Plus don't underestimate how much more emphasis you will have to place on finding a safe place to shoot. .50 BMG is closer to a cannon round than anything in the .30 cal range.
For a budget of $45k, get a 1919, Uzi and an M16. If you want to shoot as much as you claim, it will take you a long time to get bored with that combo. If you sub M11/9 for the the Uzi, it will give you much more budget for the other two. |
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Posted: 10/1/2015 2:07:34 AM EDT
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I would be reluctant to buy a gun that shoots $1200 worth of ammo a minute
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Posted: 10/1/2015 5:59:59 AM EDT
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Well. First I would ask if you have anywhere to shoot it. Might be surprised to find it somewhat difficult to actually use on a regular basis
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Posted: 10/1/2015 10:00:24 AM EDT
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Thanks again to everyone for making my brain hurt.
Damn I have some serious options. Logically, you all have convinced me the M2 is not the way to go, but I'd be lying if I said I had completely struck it from my list... I'm doing some research now into sears and host platforms. |
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Posted: 10/1/2015 10:12:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks again to everyone for making my brain hurt. Damn I have some serious options. Logically, you all have convinced me the M2 is not the way to go, but I'd be lying if I said I had completely struck it from my list... I'm doing some research now into sears and host platforms. The M2's are just really heavy. IIRC your looking at ~70lb for the receiver, then you've still got the barrel and tripod to haul up to the line. ETA: Rate of fire is fairly slow as well. You could get a semi auto M2/M3 and a crank outfitted to fire it and get the same rate of fire (maybe higher). Then with the leftover cash buy a HK or M16 sear. |
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Posted: 10/1/2015 10:53:44 AM EDT
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I personally wouldn't want my one and only machinegun to be an M2. As others have mentioned they are heavy as hell, very few ranges will allow them so most likely plan on having your own land and a lot of it in order to shoot one safely, good ammo is $3 to $4 a round unless you want to reload 50, and in my personal estimation they really require targets commensurate with their reputation. (i.e. who wants to shoot paper targets, clays, dirt, or even tannerite with an M2...which is what most ranges will let you shoot) If you are going to all the trouble and effort to run a maduce that also means dragging out old major appliances, cars, boats, a trailer of pumpkins, etc. and then cleaning all that shit up when you are done. Every so often I think I want an M2, then I come to my senses that I have a semi-auto Barrett that I shoot maybe once a year at best. For 45K I would personally go with either an M16 (or M16 Sear) + Shrike or an HK Sear or Box + a 23E variant. While the 51B is a cool fire-breather, I would suggest a 21 or 23EK so you can get the quick change barrels and the flip down feed mech vs. the 51B. I could see the allure of an MG3 /MG42 but it doesn't offer anywhere near the flexibility of the M16 or HK Sear platform, so you really need to be committed to shooting 308 at 1200RPM off a bipod/tripod forever. I worked for a DoD contractor and we couldn't even find a military range up here in New England that would allow or support .50 for DoD testing purposes (I'd suspect the same issues in VA). If we hadn't had the M2 we would have had a ton of ranges to choose from. We also got removed from one civilian range, and almost got removed from another civilian range training center due to noise issues. I'd get your fill of the M2 at a MG shoot like Knob Creek, strike it off your list, and get an HK Sear, a few hosts and an M82. |
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Posted: 10/1/2015 11:14:10 AM EDT
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Joe, you don't think the MG42 would be a better choice over the M82?
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Posted: 10/1/2015 11:42:47 AM EDT
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Joe, you don't think the MG42 would be a better choice over the M82? I don't have any experience with the MG42. I'm just thinking getting a Barrett M82/M107 would fill your interest in .50 without the costs and logistics inherent to the M2. With your $45K budget I'd go with an HK sear and a few host guns (SMG, Rifle, Belt-fed), and if you still need to fill the hole for .50 then get a semi-auto Barrett. It would be more practical and enjoyable in a lot of ways. What's nice about the Sears (AR or HK) is that every host is basically a new machine gun so you're not limited to one. |
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Posted: 10/1/2015 12:00:21 PM EDT
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Sure the M2 is big, heavy, and shoots supersized ammo. That's why it's so great. I sometimes think about getting rid of my M2 and then I get behind the trigger and realize how much fun it is.
If you really want an M2 but talk yourself out of it due to logical arguments then you'll regret it later (or better yet, find a way to add other NFA later) I bought 50bmg remanufactured ammo a couple months ago for $1.60 a round Good luck. Post pics of the new toy |
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Posted: 10/1/2015 12:50:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well. First I would ask if you have anywhere to shoot it. Might be surprised to find it somewhat difficult to actually use on a regular basis I'm wondering that too. Here in VA there are very limited public places to shoot these. Now, if you have private land... We can setup my 1919, HK21, HK51, etc and have some fun.  I'd vote 1919 for your poll. Its a beast to take to the range as I usually take a Bren Tripod, 3 or 4 (5 gallon) buckets of ammo and links, magnet, extra barrels, parts kit etc. Usually only do it once a year if I'm lucky. <--- My baby in my photo. luck to you. |
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Posted: 10/1/2015 1:05:39 PM EDT
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Whiskers:
Like several others, I am an 07/02. I have a M1919, an RPD and a MG42/M53/MG3 mutt. The M1919 was mine as a semi before I ever became licensed. The others have been purpose built demo guns. Like several have said, the M1919 is a great gun. Versatile, well built (like a freaking tank) and easy to work with. The MG42 is fun, and the ROF is amazing, but it does come with the same beltfed woes even if you don't have to take a tripod with you everywhere. You still need ammo, belts, a belt loader (unless you want to spend 15 minutes loading a belt that runs about a second and a half in the gun). So honestly you can think of the MG42 on the same level as any of the other light machineguns of its day (more like a medium machineguns today). So go with what you want! I do have a M2 on my list too though. 
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Posted: 10/1/2015 1:11:44 PM EDT
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MG42's are a lot of fun. Even those, when you add in the weight of what you need to bring, are a PITA to set up, shoot, and take home. Again, they are truly crew-fired MGs. When you take an hour or two to set them up, and an hour-or-two to pack up, that extremely limits your trigger time. An MG42/G3 is every bit as easy to set up/carry around as an M60. With the fixed bi-pod you are ready to go with no set up beyond having to carry it from your trunk, lay it down, load a belt and start shooting. The most I ever carry as support parts is an extra barrel, cleaning rod and spare bolt. And with the cost of G3 parts kits, I don't have worry about beating up the stock/grips/or internal parts. (I only shoot it with MG3 parts) Look up the cost of NEW MG3 .308 barrels, bolts and spring kits and compare to an M60 or any of the watercooled guns even. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfRph0EmB2A |
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Posted: 10/1/2015 7:16:20 PM EDT
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Another vote for the HK sear or frame, MM23E or 21E, and a couple other HK hosts. This gives you a well rounded collection with one conversion device. MM is supposed to be releasing a 7.62x39 conversion kit for their E guns soon too. In addition to extreme versatility, the HK sear and frame consistently appreciate better than any other MG, making these the best investment as well.
I think if you look in Webster's dictionary under "badass", there is a picture of the following: 21/23E 53 mp5 or mp5k-pdw |
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Posted: 10/1/2015 9:58:54 PM EDT
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I'm doing some research now into sears and host platforms. Some HK Porn to help you see what you could do with roughly $45K. 
and the $45K M16 equivalent option 
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Posted: 10/1/2015 10:11:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/1/2015 11:28:06 PM EDT
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You can build a Semi-auto M2 with a crank for around $5k and it will have the same rate of fire leaving you plenty of cash left over for a MG
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Posted: 10/1/2015 11:48:22 PM EDT
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You can build a Semi-auto M2 with a crank for around $5k and it will have the same rate of fire leaving you plenty of cash left over for a MG I have always been surprised somebody hasn't come up with a slidefire type equivalent for 1919s and M2s. The receiver sits on sliding rails and you basically just depress a paddle lever on the spade grips and then push forward with your arms half an inch to fire. Recoil pushes you back 1/2" and you then counter the recoil forward with both arms to fire again. On an M2 I wouldn't think there would be any ROF difference at all and if you would even noticed the .5 to 1" worth of slide back and forth. I do remember there was a 1919 Akins accelerator proto some guy was going to market with the receiver riding on spring loaded rails, but I believe he got a letter from the ATF before he could sell any. |
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Posted: 10/2/2015 12:33:47 AM EDT
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Some HK Porn to help you see what you could do with roughly $45K. http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh571/jbntex/HK3_zpsleyrq3dt.jpg Um, drool. Is that an mm23e K? Doesn't look like the full size |
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Posted: 10/2/2015 12:50:24 AM EDT
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Um, drool. Is that an mm23e K? Doesn't look like the full size Yup its the K version. I went back and forth between the full size and the K. After talking to Mike I decided upon the K for my needs and now that I have it am glad I went for the shorter version as its a joy to shoot from the shoulder and I honestly don't really feel like I lost much of anything when shooting from the bipod. Only change I would make is I wished Mike made a shorter bipod for the K. The factory E bipod legs are too large to fold back when the bipod is attached to the front of the receiver. I am just going to cut the feet off, take off ~2" off the tubes and tig the feet back on. Just got to find some free time. Not a huge deal as taking the bipod on/off is a 10 second procedure. |
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Posted: 10/2/2015 1:40:34 AM EDT
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Yup its the K version. I went back and forth between the full size and the K. After talking to Mike I decided upon the K for my needs and now that I have it am glad I went for the shorter version as its a joy to shoot from the shoulder and I honestly don't really feel like I lost much of anything when shooting from the bipod. Only change I would make is I wished Mike made a shorter bipod for the K. The factory E bipod legs are too large to fold back when the bipod is attached to the front of the receiver. I am just going to cut the feet off, take off ~2" off the tubes and tig the feet back on. Just got to find some free time. Not a huge deal as taking the bipod on/off is a 10 second procedure. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Um, drool. Is that an mm23e K? Doesn't look like the full size Yup its the K version. I went back and forth between the full size and the K. After talking to Mike I decided upon the K for my needs and now that I have it am glad I went for the shorter version as its a joy to shoot from the shoulder and I honestly don't really feel like I lost much of anything when shooting from the bipod. Only change I would make is I wished Mike made a shorter bipod for the K. The factory E bipod legs are too large to fold back when the bipod is attached to the front of the receiver. I am just going to cut the feet off, take off ~2" off the tubes and tig the feet back on. Just got to find some free time. Not a huge deal as taking the bipod on/off is a 10 second procedure. God I wish I was closer to Texas...I'd love to have a look at it in-person. Just over a week ago, I met up with a really nice guy from HKPro who was gracious enough to bring some of his hosts, including a full-sized 21e. Unfortunately, the retaining pin on the extractor backed out after 3 rounds and we couldn't find it, so the gun was down for the day. That said, I did get to look closely at the full-size gun and really enjoyed it. A MM beltfed is very much on my short list now, but I can only afford one. And after seeing that pic, I'm conflicted again haha. I think I need to head to the creek or something and shoot both the full size and K versions to decide which I prefer, then order one. Gorgeous gun, sir...I am very, very jealous |
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Posted: 10/2/2015 6:55:15 AM EDT
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I saw that you are from VA. Before you get a 50 cal, Make sure you have a place to shoot it.
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Posted: 10/2/2015 9:07:50 AM EDT
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I have always been surprised somebody hasn't come up with a slidefire type equivalent for 1919s and M2s. The receiver sits on sliding rails and you basically just depress a paddle lever on the spade grips and then push forward with your arms half an inch to fire. Recoil pushes you back 1/2" and you then counter the recoil forward with both arms to fire again. On an M2 I wouldn't think there would be any ROF difference at all and if you would even noticed the .5 to 1" worth of slide back and forth. I do remember there was a 1919 Akins accelerator proto some guy was going to market with the receiver riding on spring loaded rails, but I believe he got a letter from the ATF before he could sell any. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You can build a Semi-auto M2 with a crank for around $5k and it will have the same rate of fire leaving you plenty of cash left over for a MG I have always been surprised somebody hasn't come up with a slidefire type equivalent for 1919s and M2s. The receiver sits on sliding rails and you basically just depress a paddle lever on the spade grips and then push forward with your arms half an inch to fire. Recoil pushes you back 1/2" and you then counter the recoil forward with both arms to fire again. On an M2 I wouldn't think there would be any ROF difference at all and if you would even noticed the .5 to 1" worth of slide back and forth. I do remember there was a 1919 Akins accelerator proto some guy was going to market with the receiver riding on spring loaded rails, but I believe he got a letter from the ATF before he could sell any. That would be pretty awesome. if someone made one i would pick up a used m1919, ive seen them go for around $2k. I always wanted to get one and make a glass coffee table w/ glass sides and put a m1919 in it. Would look awesome in the man cave. |
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Posted: 10/4/2015 4:45:47 AM EDT
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Based on your budget why not look into the m60? My (albeit cursory) research has led me to believe the MG42 is a hardier design, with a better cyclic rate and easier barrel changes. Am I incorrect? True, but weigh the benefits of being able to shoulder one, and really not the other.... An MG42/MG3 w/assault drum can easily be shoulder fired. Bigbore you just drove the last nail in the coffin for the M60. It's out. I own both, and I'd pick the m60e6 over the mg42 every time. It's just a newer, easier, better gun in the end. |
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Posted: 10/19/2015 3:20:59 AM EDT
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So, my NFA disease just became terminal. I got into NFA few years ago, and now the missing part in my collection is an MG. I have done some cursory research, but I know there's good knowledge on this forum. I would like some opinions on which MG to get. Let me give you some bullet points on what I'm looking for: - I want an MG, not an SMG. Rifle calibers only please. - Hardy is good. I plan on shooting the shit out of it. - Easy to user service, especially bbls. I plan on heating bbls up real fast. - I've set aside $6k for ammo, so I'm fairly confident caliber shouldn't matter too much. - Badassnes in some fashion. Don't care what. Whether it's the cyclic rate of the M42 or the cartridge of the BAR, some aspect of the weapon should really stand out. - Max budget is $45k, but I'd ideally like to be in the 30s. Any suggestions are welcome, and if I haven't explained something or missed something feel free to call me out on it. With those criteria, why choose anything but an M16? You can shoot .300BLK on full auto, silenced. That's awesome. You want more bang? 6.8 SPC on full auto is an absolute blast out of a gun that lightweight. And there's always .458 SOCOM and .50 Beowulf if you want to get silly with it. Obviously with your budget you can grab a belt fed upper for it as well. Or just get some 100 round magazines and don't mess with linked ammo. What's not to love? You also don't need to rent a trailer to get your gun to the range. If you're just looking to spend more money, get an HK sear and a belt fed .308 host. |
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Posted: 10/19/2015 9:24:18 PM EDT
[#36]
Take a look at an ANM2, think of it as a 1919 with a Mac's crazy rof.
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Posted: 10/20/2015 1:50:28 AM EDT
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I have an M60. Great gun, especially in E3 dress. You can get the M60D parts if you want to shoot standing up, like a helo gunner.
I also have an HK Sear, and a MM23e. I prefer to shoot the E3, except it's so expensive to shoot, for me anyway. $6/second. The MM is not as expensive to shoot but it's about as heavy as the 60. The Sear is very useful and can be used with many host guns. I would like an MG42 except it eats ammo twice as fast as the 60. Yes, M60 parts are expensive but you'll spend much more on ammo than parts. And the M60 is a US Military gun, a plus for me. So many choices available, but the M60 is ahead in my estimation. My experience with the M16/Shrike: the Shrike is a fragile and expensive toy on top of a great lower. |
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