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Posted: 4/19/2014 3:44:01 PM EDT
I'm looking for a shotgun under $500-$600 with the below specs that would make a good SBS. Please help, I don't know much in the way of side-by-sides.
-fits budget -double trigger -EJECTORS -Reliable/not prone to breaking -20 gauge |
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I'm looking for a shotgun under $500-$600 with the below specs that would make a good SBS. Please help, I don't know much in the way of side-by-sides. -fits budget -double trigger -EJECTORS -Reliable/not prone to breaking -20 gauge View Quote find an old savage 311 look here for pics http://www.ak47.net/archive/topic.html?b=7&f=93&t=769045 or click here everything but ejectors and affordable too |
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Did you look here: http://www.stoegerindustries.com/coach-gun-supreme-shotgun
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Mine is Stoeger-based, and it has been going strong for more than a decade and thousands of rounds. Still locks up absolutely solid. The extractors push the empties far enough up that it's easy to remove them -- half the time, I just tilt up the muzzle and they fall to the ground. Here's a presentation case I'm making for it, so it can sit on my desk when it's not in its holster: http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/DSC_01151.JPG http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/1498bearinholster.gif View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Did you look here: http://www.stoegerindustries.com/coach-gun-supreme-shotgun I like those but... No ejectors... That's what I'm finding to be the most difficult aspect. Mine is Stoeger-based, and it has been going strong for more than a decade and thousands of rounds. Still locks up absolutely solid. The extractors push the empties far enough up that it's easy to remove them -- half the time, I just tilt up the muzzle and they fall to the ground. Here's a presentation case I'm making for it, so it can sit on my desk when it's not in its holster: http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/DSC_01151.JPG http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/1498bearinholster.gif Well I just bout a Stoeger coach in 20ga. I finally gave up on ejectors. Did you cut your forward grip down? If so how? |
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(snip) PPS. Tony_K, as someone who had made more than one been using them for a while, how secure are the sears against a bump? I've grown fond of my knees and calves and sometimes wonder about carry on the trail. View Quote Sorry, Mike, I can't help ya. Mine is really popular at MG shoots but I've never taken it afield. (The only trails I stalk regularly are in Fort Lauderdale, along the beach. Not really SBS territory.) Never had it go off when the shooter wasn't expecting it ... but it's never carried loaded, so who knows? |
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Stevens 311 20ga i built last year. 10" barrel cut down and re-shaped fore end i was pleasantly surprised to find it was a blonde once i started sanding the stain/paint off the wood. Sanded just enough to remove the old finished but left the factory checkering alone making it looked burned in. <a href="http://s243.photobucket.com/user/Derf7667/media/20gaSBS_2.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff194/Derf7667/20gaSBS_2.jpg</a> <a href="http://s243.photobucket.com/user/Derf7667/media/20gaSBS_1.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff194/Derf7667/20gaSBS_1.jpg</a> View Quote Very, very nice!!!! |
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Is your a 20 or a 12 ga.? You mention .44 mag recoil levels. I wish mine had .454 casull recoil levels!
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Didn't an Aussie Arfcommer once post pics of his O/U with cut down barrels?
For hip holsters the idea is intriguing. |
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I wish I could find a replacement for the TAP reduced recoil. 1 oz 1100 fps is like a 2.5 dram equivalent 16ga load in a 12ga case. With the flight control wad, the 8 00 buck pellets patterned great. The standard TAP load is 1600 fps!
Mike |
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AZ_Mike... I also have a Stoger Uplander that I hunt with. I have had it for over 20 years and have hunted hard with it and have fallen with it. I have never had a discharge that I did not pull the trigger. The safety on the Stoger is just a trigger block. It is a bar that slides over the top of the triggers that stops upward movement. Everytime you open the breach, it will automatically engage the safety. I feel it is a very safe gun.
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AZ_Mike... I also have a Stoger Uplander that I hunt with. I have had it for over 20 years and have hunted hard with it and have fallen with it. I have never had a discharge that I did not pull the trigger. The safety on the Stoger is just a trigger block. It is a bar that slides over the top of the triggers that stops upward movement. Everytime you open the breach, it will automatically engage the safety. I feel it is a very safe gun. View Quote I filed down the push rod to make my safety manual. Of couse I carry it on safe. Glad to hear the sears are pretty secure. Mike |
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Ok, you guys suck!
I'm going to get one of these made up. A couple questions please... 1) I'm thinking 20 g is the way to go? 2) Any trouble with having the stock screw being too long? 3) Is there a way to access the stock bolt after you've stuck the "plug" on the back of the pistol grip? 4) Are there any viable single trigger models that would be good host guns? Thanks! |
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Ok, you guys suck! I'm going to get one of these made up. A couple questions please... 1) I'm thinking 20 g is the way to go? Pussy 2) Any trouble with having the stock screw being too long? I had to get a shorter screw. The original is not fully threaded. 3) Is there a way to access the stock bolt after you've stuck the "plug" on the back of the pistol grip? Not on mine. 4) Are there any viable single trigger models that would be good host guns? Probably, but 2 triggers,2 guns... Thanks! View Quote |
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(snip) 4) Are there any viable single trigger models that would be good host guns? Thanks! View Quote The problem is that most affordable single-trigger hosts -- at least, all that I have found -- use recoil interia to cycle the action over to the second chamber. And when you whack off most of the barrels and all of the buttstock, it radically changes the recoil pulse. I have heard of a very few folks who have been able to file, tune and tweak the action to work after a cutdown ... but I know of no gunsmith offering that service, and I sure wouldn't want to try to do it myself, for fear of ending up with an unsafe gun that doubles on ya. |
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In general O/U guns are recoil reset regardless of number of triggers. SxS guns are self-resetting regardless of number of triggers. Single triggers are much more common on O/U guns.
Any of the SxS made by Stoeger are self-resetting. My 12ga Stoeger can double single handed on anything stronger than 16ga equivalent loads (once on such a weak load with a sweaty hand). Two handed it can shoot magnum loads and never double. I am having issues with bending forestock screws shooting two handed however. Mike |
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OP here, I went w/ a 20ga Stoeger coach gun. Decided ejectors weren't really that big of a deal. Also, wanted 20ga so that shooting with a pistol grip or pulling both triggers wasn't a wrist killer. Will update with photos when I'm done. Form 1 submitted 5/30/14.... So we got awhile to wait.
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To make one of these one would have to submit a form 1 for a sbs? $200 tax and wait? Or would it be a destructive device or aow? Very interested in making one of these.
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$200 on a F1 for a Short Barrel Shotgun... It is still $200 to make and AOW, and $5 to transfer an AOW. I have never seen a double with a pistol grip from the factory.
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Double triggers it is. Has anyone got experience with these Russian ladies? Would they be a viable host? http://www.galleryofguns.com//prod_images/489696.jpg Baikal/USSG MP220 View Quote Paladin Armory makes them and I've heard good things about Paladin so the assumption is that they're viable. Paladin Armory SBS |
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I've got a couple Stoeger 20g coach guns. Should be a fun project. I'm fixing to cut the stocks, but was wondering if a shorter stock screw is needed. Has anyone done this conversion themselves? I guess I'll find out!
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Double triggers it is. Has anyone got experience with these Russian ladies? Would they be a viable host? http://www.galleryofguns.com//prod_images/489696.jpg Baikal/USSG MP220 View Quote I was actually going to suggest those. They have a good reputation for reliability. The main knock against them is stocks that are too short and don't "fit" that well. Since you're not going to be firing from the shoulder those are moot issues. The other knock is fairly heavy/gritty triggers but there's information online about improving them. These guns have found some favor among cowboy shooters so a lot of the legwork has already been done. Personally, what you're doing doesn't appeal to me at all, but if I were going that way, the Baikal would probably be my first choice. ETA: IIRC, the Baikals use a stock draw bolt that is accessed under the buttplate. Not sure if that's an issue, but I suppose if the bolt is too long, you could just substitute a shorter bolt. |
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The problem with the Baikals is that they are not being imported due to the Russian drama.
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The problem with the Baikals is that they are not being imported due to the Russian drama. View Quote Plenty of them out there used, though. In fact, most of the used ones for sale have been BARELY used. May have something to do with the fact that they kick the shit out of you due to awful stock dimensions. |
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I've been looking into something like this for some time, mainly being inspired by Tony's SBS.
How difficult would cutting and shaping the stock be for a newbie to woodworking? |
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, but was wondering if a shorter stock screw is needed. Has anyone done this conversion themselves? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
, but was wondering if a shorter stock screw is needed. Has anyone done this conversion themselves? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I needed a shorter screw for my Stoger. I took the stock screw to the hardware store and found a shorter bolt with the same thread pitch. Quoted:
I've been looking into something like this for some time, mainly being inspired by Tony's SBS. How difficult would cutting and shaping the stock be for a newbie to woodworking? I am more of a metal worker. I don't think the wood is hard, but I have no idea what your skill level is with tools. I also have the proper tools to do the job (band saw, belt grinder, Dremel, files and sand paper). |
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I tagged this thread as I'm also interested in building two SBS. Always wanted the ones from Mad Max, but The one in Desperado looks even nastier. I think it's a prop though, it looks too short to be safe.
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Double triggers it is. Has anyone got experience with these Russian ladies? Would they be a viable host? http://www.galleryofguns.com//prod_images/489696.jpg Baikal/USSG MP220 View Quote It's what I used, of course I still need to get the barrel cut and the wood reshaped...I'm actually more concerned with the wood part. |
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