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Posted: 3/23/2014 8:35:35 AM EDT
I've seen all of the google image results, but never one in the wild. Does anyone have a KAC Masterkey shotgun?
Someday, I would like one for my Colt 6940. Why? Because this is America. 
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Posted: 3/23/2014 9:44:18 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/23/2014 12:54:15 PM EDT
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Not in the wild, but available. Here: http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx?Keywords=Masterkey Yep, that one's on my wishlist, thoug I likely won't be ready to buy for quite a bit. But I'm mainly looking to see pictures from people who actually have them. I got to handle one in Scottsdale AZ when I lived there, and I have wanted one since. |
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Posted: 3/23/2014 11:37:00 PM EDT
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Once the ATF lets me, I will have one. SBS went pending in August.
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Posted: 3/24/2014 3:40:24 AM EDT
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that is bad ass!
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Posted: 3/24/2014 4:27:38 PM EDT
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Once the ATF lets me, I will have one. SBS went pending in August. is it for a masterkey? |
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Posted: 3/24/2014 8:13:52 PM EDT
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I can't imagine it would work with the 6940 considering the mounting system.
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Posted: 3/24/2014 10:06:04 PM EDT
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Once the ATF lets me, I will have one. SBS went pending in August. is it for a masterkey? I got a SAGE International Master Key adapter and a Remington 870. It uses the pivot pin and bayo lug and is held to the shotgun with 4 screws. Not exactly a KAC, but I don't care. |
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Posted: 3/24/2014 10:10:29 PM EDT
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I can't imagine it would work with the 6940 considering the mounting system. A 6940 is built to mount a M203 once you slide the bottom rail off. |
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Posted: 3/24/2014 10:33:27 PM EDT
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I can't imagine it would work with the 6940 considering the mounting system. The bottom rail easily removes, and a standard M203 will easily mount. It will work. There are few pictures of 6940s with underbarrel launchers, but they do exist if your google-fu is strong. I would love to see a masterkey on a 6940 though! |
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Posted: 3/25/2014 8:59:21 AM EDT
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The bottom rail easily removes, and a standard M203 will easily mount. It will work. There are few pictures of 6940s with underbarrel launchers, but they do exist if your google-fu is strong. I would love to see a masterkey on a 6940 though! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I can't imagine it would work with the 6940 considering the mounting system. The bottom rail easily removes, and a standard M203 will easily mount. It will work. There are few pictures of 6940s with underbarrel launchers, but they do exist if your google-fu is strong. I would love to see a masterkey on a 6940 though! Didn't realize that. You have any pictures to post? |
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Posted: 3/25/2014 9:25:23 AM EDT
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Didn't realize that. You have any pictures to post? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I can't imagine it would work with the 6940 considering the mounting system. The bottom rail easily removes, and a standard M203 will easily mount. It will work. There are few pictures of 6940s with underbarrel launchers, but they do exist if your google-fu is strong. I would love to see a masterkey on a 6940 though! Didn't realize that. You have any pictures to post? Here are some with a 203 mounted, and showing the barrel and M203 notch. 
Also, something that I was thinking about was the usefulness of the shotgun when not mounted to a rifle. If a stock is added (I'm thinking the Magpul SGA) you could either use the barrel mount as a rudementary sight, or remove it entirely for a very compact and useful shotgun. |
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Posted: 3/28/2014 2:39:57 AM EDT
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There is a Masterkey for sale at Autoweapons for $3K.
But I'd go with the Remington 870 MSC kit and pick up an under barrel adapter. The kit is an SBS, but you have more configuration options for not much more money. And a nice Pelican case for the kit too... Also available at Autoweapons.... |
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Posted: 3/31/2014 6:18:34 AM EDT
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I've owned three of them. One from Dennis Todd and two from PJ Investments.
Sold one about nine years ago. They are fun. Heavy fuckers. I remember reading the book Blachawk Down. They talked about some Delta guys with shotguns on their carbines. .02 |
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Posted: 3/31/2014 8:28:27 AM EDT
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I've owned three of them. One from Dennis Todd and two from PJ Investments. Sold one about nine years ago. They are fun. Heavy fuckers. I remember reading the book Blachawk Down. They talked about some Delta guys with shotguns on their carbines. .02 how did they mount? any pictures? |
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Posted: 3/31/2014 12:28:11 PM EDT
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I've owned three of them. One from Dennis Todd and two from PJ Investments. Sold one about nine years ago. They are fun. Heavy fuckers. I remember reading the book Blachawk Down. They talked about some Delta guys with shotguns on their carbines. .02 how did they mount? any pictures? They would mount in the same manner as a M203. |
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Posted: 3/31/2014 2:36:45 PM EDT
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I've owned three of them. One from Dennis Todd and two from PJ Investments. Sold one about nine years ago. They are fun. Heavy fuckers. I remember reading the book Blachawk Down. They talked about some Delta guys with shotguns on their carbines. .02 how did they mount? any pictures? They would mount in the same manner as a M203. Well, I was asking because the only M203 style Masterkey that I have seen is KAC, so I would be very interested in other versions that do. I am not a fan of the ones that mount via the takedown lever and bayonet lug because they sit too low on the rifle. EDIT: unless he meant that he got 3 KAC Masterkeys from those distributors, if thats what they are. Either way, I would love to see more Masterkeys. Especially KAC. |
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Posted: 4/1/2014 9:06:12 PM EDT
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All three where Knight's. There only difference was the locking system on the front.
The older one used a wired locking system. The newer two used a switch that would lock and unlock the front mount. The engraving was different. It is engraved on the Rem 870 "Manufactued by K.A.C.". All it is is a Remington 870 with four holes drilled and tapped on the top of the received. Four Allen head screws are red lock tighted to the m203 mount. If you had the m203 mount then you could make your own. YMMV -Arbiter
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Posted: 4/2/2014 8:26:55 AM EDT
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All three where Knight's. There only difference was the locking system on the front. The older one used a wired locking system. The newer two used a switch that would lock and unlock the front mount. The engraving was different. It is engraved on the Rem 870 "Manufactued by K.A.C.". All it is is a Remington 870 with four holes drilled and tapped on the top of the received. Four Allen head screws are red lock tighted to the m203 mount. If you had the m203 mount then you could make your own. YMMV -Arbiter well, I did find this: http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=6&f=22&t=223825 I just sent an email to John at Anvil Arms, just in case they wanted to produce the mount again. we will see... |
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Posted: 4/2/2014 9:53:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: well, I did find this: http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=6&f=22&t=223825 I just sent an email to John at Anvil Arms, just in case they wanted to produce the mount again. we will see... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: All three where Knight's. There only difference was the locking system on the front. The older one used a wired locking system. The newer two used a switch that would lock and unlock the front mount. The engraving was different. It is engraved on the Rem 870 "Manufactued by K.A.C.". All it is is a Remington 870 with four holes drilled and tapped on the top of the received. Four Allen head screws are red lock tighted to the m203 mount. If you had the m203 mount then you could make your own. YMMV -Arbiter well, I did find this: http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=6&f=22&t=223825 I just sent an email to John at Anvil Arms, just in case they wanted to produce the mount again. we will see... Charged with a felony. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/06/17/former-anvil-arms-operator-arrested-on-felony-charges/ Have you thought about contacting the Knights Industry page here on ARFCOM and asking KevinB if you could pick up some mounts? .02 |
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Posted: 4/2/2014 10:38:43 PM EDT
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Anvil shut down after that whole debacle. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_146/970399_Anvil_Arms.html Charged with a felony. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/06/17/former-anvil-arms-operator-arrested-on-felony-charges/ Have you thought about contacting the Knights Industry page here on ARFCOM and asking KevinB if you could pick up some mounts? .02 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All three where Knight's. There only difference was the locking system on the front. The older one used a wired locking system. The newer two used a switch that would lock and unlock the front mount. The engraving was different. It is engraved on the Rem 870 "Manufactued by K.A.C.". All it is is a Remington 870 with four holes drilled and tapped on the top of the received. Four Allen head screws are red lock tighted to the m203 mount. If you had the m203 mount then you could make your own. YMMV -Arbiter well, I did find this: http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=6&f=22&t=223825 I just sent an email to John at Anvil Arms, just in case they wanted to produce the mount again. we will see... http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_146/970399_Anvil_Arms.html Charged with a felony. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/06/17/former-anvil-arms-operator-arrested-on-felony-charges/ Have you thought about contacting the Knights Industry page here on ARFCOM and asking KevinB if you could pick up some mounts? .02 Holy crap, I had no idea about that. well there that goes... But I can consider contacting KevinB. I will also consider ponying up the dough and getting the whole KAC masterkey. My issue with is right now is that I may be moving from MI back to PA soon, and don't want to have outstanding NFA paperwork during that. This would also be my first NFA item. In the meantime, I would love to see some pictures of these things mounted or in use... |
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Posted: 4/3/2014 2:28:02 PM EDT
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I'll get some when I'm home in about three weeks.
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Posted: 4/11/2014 6:51:05 AM EDT
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Quoted: I've seen all of the google image results, but never one in the wild. Does anyone have a KAC Masterkey shotgun? Someday, I would like one for my Colt 6940. Why? Because this is America. http://www.autoweapons.com/photos08/jun/mastrkeya.jpg Paul Howe had one mounted on his rifle during the Battle of the Black Sea. I haven't seen any good clear pics of it, but there is one where he and 4 or 5 Delta guys are standing in front of a Little Bird and you can see it. He's on the far left IIRC. I've heard him talk about it too in some interview. Probably the Panteo Productions one.
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Posted: 4/11/2014 11:28:11 AM EDT
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So what is a fair price for a used Knight's Master Key with the mount?
$12/1,500?
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Posted: 4/11/2014 4:29:09 PM EDT
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So what is a fair price for a used Knight's Master Key with the mount? $12/1,500? New theyre around 2k, so that sounds right.it's what I'm expecting to pay when I'm ready for one |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 1:16:50 PM EDT
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My stamp was approved and in hand last friday. My 870, however, is still at the engravers for refinishing. I am told it will be in my hands this week. Oblagatory pics in Master Key configuration to follow.
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Posted: 4/14/2014 6:22:31 PM EDT
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My stamp was approved and in hand last friday. My 870, however, is still at the engravers for refinishing. I am told it will be in my hands this week. Oblagatory pics in Master Key configuration to follow. Looking forward to it! |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 6:53:26 PM EDT
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I've owned three of them. One from Dennis Todd and two from PJ Investments. Sold one about nine years ago. They are fun. Heavy fuckers. I remember reading the book Blachawk Down. They talked about some Delta guys with shotguns on their carbines. .02 how did they mount? any pictures? image of Paul Howe and his rig |
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Posted: 5/18/2014 7:24:46 PM EDT
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Bump for more pictures
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Posted: 5/19/2014 3:20:08 PM EDT
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I have not forgotten. The brown truck of happiness has delivered my 870, gf unit signed for it, the man is keeping me at work
 Rest assured, pics will be posted tonight.
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Posted: 5/19/2014 10:07:48 PM EDT
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Gentlemen, as promised, my master key. Its an 870 SBS with 12.5" sawed off barrel to be even with the mag tube cap and a SAGE international mounting bracket. Its mounted to a 5.56 rifle and is super unwieldy but so badass. Once my new gas block comes in I'm going to mount it to my 458 socom rifle. That should be sufficiently obnoxious. Why do I have this, you ask? Because I can.
The warhead on the magwell was my unit from Iraq if anyone asks. 
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Posted: 5/19/2014 10:29:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/19/2014 10:37:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/20/2014 3:22:00 PM EDT
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Gentlemen, as promised, my master key. Its an 870 SBS with 12.5" sawed off barrel to be even with the mag tube cap and a SAGE international mounting bracket. Its mounted to a 5.56 rifle and is super unwieldy but so badass. Once my new gas block comes in I'm going to mount it to my 458 socom rifle. That should be sufficiently obnoxious. Why do I have this, you ask? Because I can. The warhead on the magwell was my unit from Iraq if anyone asks. <a href="http://s267.photobucket.com/user/Cramerica1/media/IMG_20140519_202311620_zpsv4rj0lci.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii307/Cramerica1/IMG_20140519_202311620_zpsv4rj0lci.jpg</a> <a href="http://s267.photobucket.com/user/Cramerica1/media/IMG_20140519_202240712_zpsyiiejm5m.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii307/Cramerica1/IMG_20140519_202240712_zpsyiiejm5m.jpg</a> Definitely cool. I like the shell carrier idea. I'll bet that rifle weighs a ton. Thanks for posting. Makes me want to put one on my Colt 6940 even more... |
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Posted: 6/26/2014 8:21:43 PM EDT
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Not a KAC, but here is my serbu mounted up with the adapter I bought and mount I built. I like how tight it mounts up.
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Posted: 6/27/2014 10:04:13 PM EDT
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Not a KAC, but here is my serbu mounted up with the adapter I bought and mount I built. I like how tight it mounts up. http://<a href=http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t645/kevcurtiss/20140626_172506_zps0dd49534.jpg</a>" /> Mind sharing the details? |
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Posted: 6/27/2014 11:18:03 PM EDT
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I modified a KAC A5 handgaurd, drilled and tapped the receiver of the shotgun. Bought the picatinny clamp from B&D, they are for mounting the 37mm launchers. Works great mounted under my m4 mainly.
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Posted: 6/28/2014 1:56:33 PM EDT
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Ok. Stupid question. What makes this an SBS and not an AOW? It has no stock or other hand gripping device.
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Posted: 6/28/2014 3:01:57 PM EDT
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Ok. Stupid question. What makes this an SBS and not an AOW? It has no stock or other hand gripping device. The rifle its attached to becomes a stock. |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 3:30:16 PM EDT
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Its a registered AOW not an SBS, attaching it to another firearm does not change the classification of eathier.
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Posted: 7/13/2014 4:24:09 PM EDT
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Does the stock on the AR-15 count as the stock?
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Posted: 9/17/2014 1:04:32 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/17/2014 7:41:54 PM EDT
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Crye Precision six 12 ever come out
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Posted: 9/18/2014 10:27:03 AM EDT
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Does the stock on the AR-15 count as the stock? No Curtiss got it right in the post before yours: "Its a registered AOW not an SBS, attaching it to another firearm does not change the classification of either." |
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