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Posted: 8/7/2012 10:15:11 PM
Originally Posted By tony_k:
It's pretty rare to find an RR conversion with the blocking bar removed but the restrictor ring still intact ... conversion was usually an all-or-nothing proposition, either cheaping out with a slotted bolt, or going full-milspec conversion. ![]() That's exactly what I have. Sometimes I'm not sure what to think of it, as milling down the restrictor ring to clear the bolt would have to be far easier than milling a hardened bolt to clear the ring. |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 9:52:11 AM
I personally would go with a vector
it has a cool history, BTW, the vector UZI flats were purchased in a huge bankrupsy auction just like all the MACs they sat around for years and then finally got completed with south african (Littleton) parts The vector UZIs are built from the ground up as MGs, where as the IMIs are all conversions and they vary from gun to gun Also, the vector receivers were surface hardened and tempered which the IMIs were not the vectors are a really nice gun, the most "authentic" UZIs in spite of not having any IMI parts |
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Posted: 8/8/2012 2:08:23 PM
Great info. I think I'll go for a Vector then
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Posted: 8/8/2012 5:53:19 PM
[Last Edit: 8/8/2012 5:55:03 PM by cyborg543]
Originally Posted By GRATIOFLASH:
Great info. I think I'll go for a Vector then figure on paying high 7s for a nice one uzitalk.com website has a nice long writeup on the vectors, the story and build quality |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:19:46 AM
Originally Posted By tony_k: Well, that's good to hear in a way...perhaps one of mine just became more valuable due to its rarity. ;-) It's an IMI Mod A that's got the ring, no bar, a 9mm semi lower pin (actually has a semi lower, with FA 3-pos selector switch), and takes semi barrels. It has a Group Industries bolt so the ring is of no consequence. It could be brought up to full SMG spec easily, but works great as it stands so I'll probably leave that for a new owner.It's pretty rare to find an RR conversion with the blocking bar removed but the restrictor ring still intact ... conversion was usually an all-or-nothing proposition, either cheaping out with a slotted bolt, or going full-milspec conversion. ![]() |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:51:19 AM
Originally Posted By Mtnvalley3:Well, that's good to hear in a way...perhaps one of mine just became more valuable due to its rarity. ;-) It's an IMI Mod A that's got the ring, no bar, a 9mm semi lower pin (actually has a semi lower, with FA 3-pos selector switch), and takes semi barrels. It has a Group Industries bolt so the ring is of no consequence. It could be brought up to full SMG spec easily, but works great as it stands so I'll probably leave that for a new owner.
How can you tell it's a Group Industries bolt? I have the same situation going on with my gun and some history would be nice to have. I don't remember any markings on my bolt, but I didn't look close either. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 11:24:32 AM
[Last Edit: 8/9/2012 11:26:59 AM by bullyforyou]
Originally Posted By GRATIOFLASH:
Great info. I think I'll go for a Vector then as a vector owner and long time uzi aficionado, let me make a suggestion: don't buy a NIB vector. find one that is used but in great condition. buying a lightly used gun does nothing to effect the value or lifespan of the uzi (being that an uzi is robust enough that it'll outlast its' respective owner even under heavy use-age), but will ensure that the one or two issues associated with the group/vector guns is not present in your purchase. look to be sure there is no heavy non-symmetrical wear anywhere inside the receiver and make sure the front sight is not adjusted way over to one side or the other (this would be an indication that there is a potential trunion alignment issue). also, buying a used good condition gun helps to ensure that you have not purchased one of the small handful of guns that had poor backplate welds - a fix-able condition, but still something you don't want to deal with if you don't have to. another note - bear in mind that the vectors, being built on group SMG shells, have correct SMG feedramps. the reason i mention this is because SMG feedramps are great a feeding ball ammo (as any "milspec" gun should be), but are notorious for feed issues with HP and TC rounds. and many guys that run uzis, run them suppressed. when you run them suppressed, you probably want subsonic ammo, and most subsonic ammo uses a TC bullet. this is something you should be able to find out on a used gun, that you'd have no ability to know with a NIB gun. in the end the stamped SMG ramp can be removed and a milled ramp installed. this is the route many of us group and vector owners have taken to fix the feed issue when present. but again, it's something you'd like to know up-front. all that said, here is a crappy pic to help motivate you:
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Posted: 8/9/2012 5:55:53 PM
Originally Posted By Southern_Raider: http://files.uzitalk.com/reference/pages/FAconversions.htm has a comparison picture about 2/3 down the page. Also (haven't noticed this and don't have the gun handy), Amphibian notes that Group engraved a "G" on the bolt near the extractor retaining pin.Originally Posted By Mtnvalley3:Well, that's good to hear in a way...perhaps one of mine just became more valuable due to its rarity. ;-) It's an IMI Mod A that's got the ring, no bar, a 9mm semi lower pin (actually has a semi lower, with FA 3-pos selector switch), and takes semi barrels. It has a Group Industries bolt so the ring is of no consequence. It could be brought up to full SMG spec easily, but works great as it stands so I'll probably leave that for a new owner. How can you tell it's a Group Industries bolt? I have the same situation going on with my gun and some history would be nice to have. I don't remember any markings on my bolt, but I didn't look close either. |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 6:31:58 PM
Originally Posted By Mtnvalley3:
Originally Posted By Southern_Raider:
http://files.uzitalk.com/reference/pages/FAconversions.htm has a comparison picture about 2/3 down the page. Also (haven't noticed this and don't have the gun handy), Amphibian notes that Group engraved a "G" on the bolt near the extractor retaining pin.
Originally Posted By Mtnvalley3:Well, that's good to hear in a way...perhaps one of mine just became more valuable due to its rarity. ;-) It's an IMI Mod A that's got the ring, no bar, a 9mm semi lower pin (actually has a semi lower, with FA 3-pos selector switch), and takes semi barrels. It has a Group Industries bolt so the ring is of no consequence. It could be brought up to full SMG spec easily, but works great as it stands so I'll probably leave that for a new owner.
How can you tell it's a Group Industries bolt? I have the same situation going on with my gun and some history would be nice to have. I don't remember any markings on my bolt, but I didn't look close either. Thaks, I'll take a look at mine when I get home. Who did your conversion if you don't mind me asking? Mine was done by S. A. W. of Nashville, TN (Small Arms Weaponry). |
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Posted: 8/9/2012 6:49:53 PM
[Last Edit: 8/9/2012 6:50:14 PM by Mtnvalley3]
I'm not really sure who converted this one. Nothing unusual on the gun, F4 just says "IMI Israel Actions Arms Ltd Phil PA". When I bought it from Frank's Guns a couple years ago, I don't think he knew either.
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:14:49 PM
Originally Posted By Mtnvalley3:
http://files.uzitalk.com/reference/pages/FAconversions.htm has a comparison picture about 2/3 down the page. Also (haven't noticed this and don't have the gun handy), Amphibian notes that Group engraved a "G" on the bolt near the extractor retaining pin. Thanks so much for posting that. I do indeed have a "G" marked bolt just as you described. Hopefully it's original to the gun, which is probably the case since it would have been far easier to purchase such a bolt and just remove the blocking bar. |
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