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Posted: 2/15/2012 11:22:57 PM
[Last Edit: 2/15/2012 11:23:25 PM by sardo_67]
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Posted: 2/15/2012 11:27:05 PM
Have an 07 register it for you as an AOW for $5 + $200 for the can.
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Posted: 2/16/2012 9:49:10 AM
Originally Posted By P08:
Have an 07 register it for you as an AOW for $5 + $200 for the can. Yeah have them do it or it will be a $200 tax stamp for manufacturing the AOW. |
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sardo_67
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Posted: 2/16/2012 11:13:06 PM
ya the AOW thing still gets me, that is something that needs a manufacturer has to make unlike an SBR/can where anyone can do it? BUT if i do it myself i'll pay the $200 stamp?
so.... $5 to transfer but $200 to make WITHOUT a license? |
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Posted: 2/16/2012 11:23:10 PM
[Last Edit: 2/16/2012 11:27:22 PM by JoshAston]
Originally Posted By sardo_67: Correct. Form 1 (which is the application to make and register) is always $200. Form 4 (which is application for tax paid transfer and registration) is $5 for an AOW and $200 for everything else.ya the AOW thing still gets me, that is something that needs a manufacturer has to make unlike an SBR/can where anyone can do it? BUT if i do it myself i'll pay the $200 stamp? so.... $5 to transfer but $200 to make WITHOUT a license? People/Companies with the proper FFL/SOT can make the firearm, then register it tax free via a Form 2 and then transfer it to you on a Form 4. |
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Posted: 2/21/2012 4:42:14 PM
Originally Posted By sardo_67:
like the title says i was thinking about building something like a cane gun with an integral suppressor or something similar. now since i'm making the firearm i can AOW it? i'm not sure on the AOW section of the NFA. i do know that the suppressor is going to require a Form 1 and $200 to the ATF for the stamp. I thought about having an 07/SOT make me an integrally suppressed .410 shotgun that looks like a baseball bat. But I couldnt find a manufacturer in state that was willing to do it without paying out the ass for it. |
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sardo_67
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Posted: 2/21/2012 10:47:31 PM
could i use a Maglite as the base firearm, then have them just register and engrave the flashlight then transfer it to me so i can build it?
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Posted: 2/22/2012 6:34:52 PM
[Last Edit: 2/22/2012 6:38:00 PM by Ky-Moonshiner]
Originally Posted By AN94NK:
Originally Posted By sardo_67:
like the title says i was thinking about building something like a cane gun with an integral suppressor or something similar. now since i'm making the firearm i can AOW it? i'm not sure on the AOW section of the NFA. i do know that the suppressor is going to require a Form 1 and $200 to the ATF for the stamp. I thought about having an 07/SOT make me an integrally suppressed .410 shotgun that looks like a baseball bat. But I couldnt find a manufacturer in state that was willing to do it without paying out the ass for it. Form 3. Get one made out of state. I am interested I've wanted a pen gun with 1/2-28 threaded barrel for some time. The most common available now are mag-lite .380, 9mm and .410 flashlights but to tell the truth they don't look enough like maglites they have cotter pin safety's and no reflector. It's not on youtube but if you've ever seen the movie Munich they have bicycle pump zip guns, integrally suppressed that fire what appears to be a .38sp or similar that's what I'm after. |
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Posted: 2/22/2012 7:31:19 PM
Originally Posted By Ky-Moonshiner:
Originally Posted By AN94NK:
Originally Posted By sardo_67:
like the title says i was thinking about building something like a cane gun with an integral suppressor or something similar. now since i'm making the firearm i can AOW it? i'm not sure on the AOW section of the NFA. i do know that the suppressor is going to require a Form 1 and $200 to the ATF for the stamp. I thought about having an 07/SOT make me an integrally suppressed .410 shotgun that looks like a baseball bat. But I couldnt find a manufacturer in state that was willing to do it without paying out the ass for it. Form 3. Get one made out of state. I am interested I've wanted a pen gun with 1/2-28 threaded barrel for some time. The most common available now are mag-lite .380, 9mm and .410 flashlights but to tell the truth they don't look enough like maglites they have cotter pin safety's and no reflector. It's not on youtube but if you've ever seen the movie Munich they have bicycle pump zip guns, integrally suppressed that fire what appears to be a .38sp or similar that's what I'm after. I too have had my eye on one of those MAC pen guns for a while too. Just cant justify spending that much & waiting 6 months on something I'll only shoot once or twice. As for the out of state thing. I would but I need to find a cheaper SOT dealer. Mine charges $100 for transfers, but its free if he's got it in stock 
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sardo_67
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Posted: 2/22/2012 11:10:26 PM
"I am interested I've wanted a pen gun with 1/2-28 threaded barrel for some time. The most common available now are mag-lite .380, 9mm and .410 flashlights but to tell the truth they don't look enough like maglites they have cotter pin safety's and no reflector. It's not on youtube but if you've ever seen the movie Munich they have bicycle pump zip guns, integrally suppressed that fire what appears to be a .38sp or similar that's what I'm after"
YES!!! that's what i really want but no idea who i would talk to about that. hahah, maybe i'll call Red Jacket, then i'll be able to get on TV  |
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Posted: 2/22/2012 11:41:34 PM
Originally Posted By sardo_67:
could i use a Maglite as the base firearm, then have them just register and engrave the flashlight then transfer it to me so i can build it? No. |
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Posted: 3/4/2012 10:41:01 PM
Originally Posted By sardo_67:
"I am interested I've wanted a pen gun with 1/2-28 threaded barrel for some time. The most common available now are mag-lite .380, 9mm and .410 flashlights but to tell the truth they don't look enough like maglites they have cotter pin safety's and no reflector. It's not on youtube but if you've ever seen the movie Munich they have bicycle pump zip guns, integrally suppressed that fire what appears to be a .38sp or similar that's what I'm after" YES!!! that's what i really want but no idea who i would talk to about that. hahah, maybe i'll call Red Jacket, then i'll be able to get on TV I tried that and they turned me down  |
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Posted: 3/5/2012 3:58:59 AM
Originally Posted By safes2small:
Originally Posted By sardo_67:
hahah, maybe i'll call Red Jacket, then i'll be able to get on TV I tried that and they turned me down You must have forgotten to tell them that it could be a "Game Changa!" |
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sardo_67
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Posted: 6/27/2012 8:55:42 PM
so has anyone proceeded with their AOW ideas yet?
can i build the AOW myself if i just pay $200? or do i SBR the cane on a form 1? |
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Posted: 6/27/2012 9:03:47 PM
Originally Posted By sardo_67:
so has anyone proceeded with their AOW ideas yet? can i build the AOW myself if i just pay $200? or do i SBR the cane on a form 1? You can absolutely Form 1 an AOW if you pay the $200. A lot of people avoid that by having an 07 make the item and then transferring to them on a Form 4 for $5. But if you want to be the maker just pony up the $200 and wait for the form 1 approval. |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 9:21:34 PM
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Posted: 6/29/2012 12:54:33 AM
Originally Posted By bwideman:
Originally Posted By sardo_67:
so has anyone proceeded with their AOW ideas yet? can i build the AOW myself if i just pay $200? or do i SBR the cane on a form 1? You can absolutely Form 1 an AOW if you pay the $200. A lot of people avoid that by having an 07 make the item and then transferring to them on a Form 4 for $5. But if you want to be the maker just pony up the $200 and wait for the form 1 approval. Btw it cant be an SBR coz it doesnt LOOK like a regular firearm. Hence the "Any Other Weapon" status |
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Posted: 6/29/2012 12:55:03 AM
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http://www.imfdb.org/w/images/2/28/Munich_zip.jpg http://www.imfdb.org/w/images/b/bd/Munich_zip2.jpg I want that |
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Posted: 6/29/2012 8:17:03 AM
If I wanted to put a donkey dong grip on say a Draco, I would have an 07 put it on and then transfer it via Form 4 so it would only be $5 AOW?
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Posted: 6/29/2012 9:01:14 PM
Originally Posted By Enigma229:
If I wanted to put a donkey dong grip on say a Draco, I would have an 07 put it on and then transfer it via Form 4 so it would only be $5 AOW? Yep |
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Posted: 6/29/2012 11:25:22 PM
Originally Posted By Enigma229:
If I wanted to put a donkey dong grip on say a Draco, I would have an 07 put it on and then transfer it via Form 4 so it would only be $5 AOW? But he's gonna charge you $50-$100 to do the work and register it. |
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Posted: 7/13/2012 1:26:56 AM
Originally Posted By Circuits:
Originally Posted By Enigma229:
If I wanted to put a donkey dong grip on say a Draco, I would have an 07 put it on and then transfer it via Form 4 so it would only be $5 AOW? But he's gonna charge you $50-$100 to do the work and register it. uhh doesn't an AOW have to be created from scratch? if it was ever a regular firearm then it can't be "converted" into an AOW. |
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Posted: 7/13/2012 1:59:50 AM
Originally Posted By sardo_67:
Originally Posted By Circuits:
Originally Posted By Enigma229:
If I wanted to put a donkey dong grip on say a Draco, I would have an 07 put it on and then transfer it via Form 4 so it would only be $5 AOW? But he's gonna charge you $50-$100 to do the work and register it. uhh doesn't an AOW have to be created from scratch? if it was ever a regular firearm then it can't be "converted" into an AOW. I don't think so. I think the rule is if it comes with a pistol grip from the factory (shotgun) or is a factory pistol, adding a foregrip makes it an AOW ($5). You can have a SBS ($200) and put a pistol grip on it and be legal, but if you put a stock on a pistol gripped shotgun that was registere as an AOW you have then created a SBS and it's illegal. |
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Posted: 7/13/2012 5:10:15 AM
Originally Posted By sardo_67:
Originally Posted By Circuits:
Originally Posted By Enigma229:
If I wanted to put a donkey dong grip on say a Draco, I would have an 07 put it on and then transfer it via Form 4 so it would only be $5 AOW? But he's gonna charge you $50-$100 to do the work and register it. uhh doesn't an AOW have to be created from scratch? if it was ever a regular firearm then it can't be "converted" into an AOW. No. One example would be the GSG-5pk pistol. It comes with just a short little handguard on it, but to put one of the MP5k looking vert grips on it, it would need to be registered as an AOW. Heck, if you wanted to bad enough, you could give your XD or any other pistol with a front rail to your SOT he could register it as an AOW, and then for $5 you could put a vert grip on it. I don't know why you'd want to, but that's the only way it'd be legal. |
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Posted: 7/16/2012 2:03:24 PM
Originally Posted By sardo_67: ya the AOW thing still gets me, that is something that needs a manufacturer has to make unlike an SBR/can where anyone can do it? BUT if i do it myself i'll pay the $200 stamp? so.... $5 to transfer but $200 to make WITHOUT a license? You are correct about the cost of a transfer compared to you making an AOW, however, I don't know of many 07/SOT's that work for free unless they are a good friend of yours. Most will charge you something for their work and if you are talking about them making a cane gun the I would bet it will be at least $200 or more. JMHO, MadDog |
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Posted: 7/18/2012 7:37:46 AM
[Last Edit: 7/18/2012 7:38:23 AM by sardo_67]
i found this guy......
http://www.amermfg.com/savior.html thinking maybe he can make the front longer and add a built in can. that would need 2 stamps but be wicked cool also the scene from Munich with said devices http://youtu.be/dFfj4jkCj4M?t=2m20s |
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