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Posted: 2/27/2014 11:56:41 PM EDT
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I know you can buy the civilian versions online, also remember seeing a military version for sale at gunshows.
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Posted: 2/28/2014 8:36:31 AM EDT
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No, the pen flares are not DDs, they are a pyrotechnic signaling device. However some states may have restrictions due to fire risks.
There are numerous companies that make pen flares for civilians and mil, and if you can place an order for thousands (or tens of thousands) of them, you can get the same ones the mil are using. Here is the main one that sells to civis: http://www.truflareusa.com/product_catalog.htm |
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Posted: 2/28/2014 8:07:57 PM EDT
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The real deal
Don't know if they take small orders or sell to non .gov Update: I called the company, they do not sell individual kits. Minimum order is 100 units and price is based on terms negotiated. They do not have distributors. The only way to get one is to get issued one, unless some company was to sweet talk them into selling some for resale, and then I am sure it would be for military only. Just a FYI. |
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Posted: 3/1/2014 10:03:32 PM EDT
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Pen Flares are not NFA items.
If you have the adapters to fire cartridges then it is a AOW/smooth bore any other weapons. The old pen guns are AOW's. From my understanding a manufacturer can make them and transfer on $5 transfer, but for some reason it is a $200 transfer for an individual to make one and then $5 each subsequent transfer - or that is what I am told by someone who used to be head of the NFA Branch back in the early 1980's who retired to my area. So subject to revision. Pen flares are ok, even the bird bomb style - which should not be readily available on the civilian market since none were imported from Germany. I think they were made by Feistel, who made the first stun grenades used by the SEALs, SF and the SAS. |
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Posted: 3/5/2014 12:45:33 AM EDT
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I read on the internet (Yes, I know how that sounds) that the U.S. military pen flares, or at least the launcher, is considered a destructive device. No help from the ATF website. Can anybody confirm/deny this? Thanks. Not that ive ever heard of...the changed the design from the screw-in flare to the press-fit because people were using surplus ones as the basis for Pen guns..but the device and rounds by themselves are not regulated AFAIK |
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Posted: 4/7/2014 7:40:05 PM EDT
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Pen flares are POS' there are better signalling options on the civilian market.
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Posted: 4/9/2014 11:15:42 PM EDT
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Pen flares are POS' there are better signalling options on the civilian market. I personally think, for the size & weight they are pretty damn good. What other options are there and are they available? Will |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 11:27:47 PM EDT
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Are the old style ALS smokes still considered DD's?
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Posted: 4/10/2014 12:25:44 PM EDT
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Are the old style ALS smokes still considered DD's? If your talkin about m18 smoke grenades they never where a dd |
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Posted: 4/11/2014 1:07:49 AM EDT
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Are the old style ALS smokes still considered DD's? If your talkin about m18 smoke grenades they never where a dd No, the ALS branded smoke with the instant activation fuses. |
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Posted: 4/11/2014 4:03:09 PM EDT
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Are the old style ALS smokes still considered DD's? it never got that far...BATF started talking about classifying the fuses as DD's, and in response the Industry basically stopped selling anything with an M-201 to the general Public. You can still find them out there..but they're about 3 times the price they used to be. |
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Posted: 4/11/2014 8:30:06 PM EDT
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it never got that far...BATF started talking about classifying the fuses as DD's, and in response the Industry basically stopped selling anything with an M-201 to the general Public. You can still find them out there..but they're about 3 times the price they used to be. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are the old style ALS smokes still considered DD's? it never got that far...BATF started talking about classifying the fuses as DD's, and in response the Industry basically stopped selling anything with an M-201 to the general Public. You can still find them out there..but they're about 3 times the price they used to be. So they weren't specifically labelled DD's then from what you're telling me. Good to know. |
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Posted: 4/11/2014 9:57:15 PM EDT
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So they weren't specifically labelled DD's then from what you're telling me. Good to know. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are the old style ALS smokes still considered DD's? it never got that far...BATF started talking about classifying the fuses as DD's, and in response the Industry basically stopped selling anything with an M-201 to the general Public. You can still find them out there..but they're about 3 times the price they used to be. So they weren't specifically labelled DD's then from what you're telling me. Good to know. Nope the companies like ATS stopped selling to the public to keep them from being designated that way.... |
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Posted: 4/11/2014 11:50:15 PM EDT
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Are the old style ALS smokes still considered DD's? it never got that far...BATF started talking about classifying the fuses as DD's, and in response the Industry basically stopped selling anything with an M-201 to the general Public. You can still find them out there..but they're about 3 times the price they used to be. So they weren't specifically labelled DD's then from what you're telling me. Good to know. Nope the companies like ATS stopped selling to the public to keep them from being designated that way.... My apologies to the OP on the thread derail. And I meant no offense with my question. I have a couple ALS pockets, and didn't know if they were verboten. |
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