 jestertoo
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Posted: 2/16/2012 11:49:53 AM
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Posted: 2/25/2012 9:29:52 PM
Dr jestertoo,
Thank you for posting this. I have been looking for one of these. Sincerely, Me |
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Posted: 3/11/2012 7:29:23 PM
Originally Posted By RockHard13F:
Dr jestertoo, Thank you for posting this. I have been looking for one of these. Sincerely, Me give us all a report when you get it! |
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Posted: 3/15/2012 5:46:17 PM
I'd love to get one, but the risk of being stuck with an Israeli copy kills it for me
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Posted: 3/19/2012 2:54:06 PM
Anyone know where to find some training rounds for it? I assume rounds for the m3 will work with it.
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Posted: 3/20/2012 12:20:41 PM
No go. The propellant powder itself is probably considered a D.D.
Only way to fire a Form-1'ed Gustav would be with the 9mm simulator round (anyone want a $2K single shot 9mm?). |
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Posted: 3/20/2012 6:32:08 PM
[Last Edit: 3/20/2012 6:39:25 PM by setlab]
Originally Posted By CBR900:
No go. The propellant powder itself is probably considered a D.D. Only way to fire a Form-1'ed Gustav would be with the 9mm simulator round (anyone want a $2K single shot 9mm?). Ofcourse, but there are inert and training rounds out there that's what I was asking about. The current version of this m2 is the m3, I was asking if a m3 round will fit in an m2. Who knows, since the fireing pin strikes near the venturi end the demilling process may have involved welding a rod there or left excess weld build up that would prevent a round from going into the breach. You would never want to restore one of these to fireing condition anyhow because it's essentially a metal tube wrapped in some type of fiberglass to strengthen it. So even if you were to weld the demilled hole closed it will never be able to contain the pressure of a real round fireing, with the exception of the subcal training round. |
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Posted: 5/4/2012 2:13:08 PM
OK so WHERE can you buy INERT /deactivated or training rounds for this gun??
I've found TONS of pictures of inert ones in civilian hands, so I know they are out there. But I can't find a single one for sale! |
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Posted: 5/10/2012 10:39:38 AM
Originally Posted By An_Orphanage:
I'd love to get one, but the risk of being stuck with an Israeli copy kills it for me NOT made in Israel. I believe Numrich/GPC has their facts wrong. ALL the guns were made in Sweden, but SOME of them were sold to Israel, and bear stickers in Hebrew. Same with the optics - they are made in Germany, but some have Hebrew markings on them. |
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Posted: 5/11/2012 1:58:04 PM
Originally Posted By setlab:
. . . I assume rounds for the m3 will work with it. Yes. In fact, many countries train/practice ONLY with all steel M2s because M3s have to be sent back to Saab after a few hundred rounds. |
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Posted: 5/13/2012 2:42:42 AM
Originally Posted By CBR900:I believe Numrich/GPC has their facts wrong. ALL the guns were made in Sweden, but SOME of them were sold to Israel, and bear stickers in Hebrew. Same with the optics - they are made in Germany, but some have Hebrew markings on them.
That's great, but israeli markings = israeli, and I'd not gamble $1500 for the risk of scribbly moonspeak all over it. If you enjoy gambling $1500 on purchases, I have a bridge you might like to buy....  |
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Posted: 5/16/2012 4:52:20 PM
[Last Edit: 8/1/2012 2:04:35 PM by CBR900]
Originally Posted By An_Orphanage:
Originally Posted By CBR900:I believe Numrich/GPC has their facts wrong. ALL the guns were made in Sweden, but SOME of them were sold to Israel, and bear stickers in Hebrew. Same with the optics - they are made in Germany, but some have Hebrew markings on them.
That's great, but israeli markings = israeli, and I'd not gamble $1500 for the risk of scribbly moonspeak all over it. If you enjoy gambling $1500 on purchases, I have a bridge you might like to buy.... Please check the attitude, thanks. "Sticker" does not equal "scribbly moonspeak all over it" . The stamped markings in the steel are Swedish, not the Hebrew language. The guns are made in Sweden only. The only country that has manufactured the Gustav, other than the Swedes, are the Japanese; their defense forces use a licensed copy made by I believe, Howa. Even the Indians (a huge nation, India) buy their guns from Saab/Borfors (though they make their own ammo for it, as do about 5 other countries including Belgium). Not all of them are $1500. They can be bought for less if you look around. |
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Posted: 8/1/2012 2:03:45 PM
So - after all these months, any takers?
What did you get & what plans do you have for yours? |
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Posted: 8/21/2012 12:28:03 PM
Want to save $500 on the price of one of these?
GPC just dropped the price on at least ONE of thiers: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=300552353#PIC |
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Posted: 9/24/2012 7:49:22 AM
I was the lone bidder and won that Carl Gustav auction on Gunbroker!
It appears completely intact. The demil process is very discreet. A 3" square hole is cut about where your cheek would rest but is hidden under the pad. There is also a bar welded across the breech that eliminates the firing pin but maintains function of cocking and trigger group. The safety has an additional stamp for "S" and "F" in Hebrew. The trigger pull is surprisingly crisp and clean breaking. The German optics on the scope are still very good. The elevation adjustment is calibrated with a solid click in meters and can be set to a more fine graduated click by pulling out the adjustment knob. The flip out iron sights are still tight with no play or slop in adjustment. Overall, this is a very well made piece of ordinance that was sacrificed because of its 32lb. weight I showed my new toy to my brother who said "I'm beginning to worry about you" and "what are you going to do with that thing?" I asked him, "do want your picture taken with it or not?" He said "Yes!" |
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sardo_67
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Posted: 9/26/2012 1:08:40 AM
can you get any pics of the one you have?
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Posted: 9/26/2012 6:18:07 AM
The Carl Gustav M2 pictured at the top of this thread is from the Gunbroker auction I bid on and won. AR15.com requires that images are uploaded from a http: web site and I don't have a facebook account or access to a web site to post pictures from. I can send images to your email address if you want to see something specific.
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Posted: 9/28/2012 1:15:20 AM
So what are your plans for this? Are you going to Form 1 DD the thing and then make some projectiles? You could get in touch with the guys at Ordnance.com as they have a video of them firing a Gustav subcal round. See if they could make you one.
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Posted: 9/28/2012 10:27:15 AM
So far I have only taken photos of friends and family holding the M2. So far, I get only smiles. Maybe I'll rent it out for senior pictures...or paint it white for shotgun wedding photos. It's a cool piece of ordnance just as it is. If not for the welded bar across the breach, it would be great to take James Bond type photos where you view down the bore with a rifling matt on the subject. Ihave seen nothing on the internet where someone has done a M2 form 1 conversion so I don't know what my options are.
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Posted: 9/30/2012 5:02:25 PM
[Last Edit: 9/30/2012 5:05:03 PM by William_lxix]
Originally Posted By obersaber:
Ihave seen nothing on the internet where someone has done a M2 form 1 conversion so I don't know what my options are. Probably due to the lack of munitions - hence the lack of interest in buying/sales of the rec rifle. I wouldn't trust a re-welded / patched tube for the Gustav. Too much overpressure when fired out of a pristine barrel! Also: it should tell you about serviceability when the ISRAELI's get rid of something. 
When you get bored with it, you should donate it to your local VFW or American Legion hall = TAX WRITE-OFF. ~Will |
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Posted: 9/30/2012 8:30:43 PM
Lack of munitions is correct! An inert 84mm Carl Gustaf case went for $100 on Gunbroker a week ago. I read somewhere that a 57mm recoilless rifle goes through a pound of powder every shot. I also agree that a barrel patch weld right where my face goes does not inspire the fun type of excitement needed to get creative juices flowing. The tube is about 3/8" thick where the hole is cut out which seems a little thin to me but the Carl Gustaf rifle has been around since 1946 so I guess it must be OK. On a more serious note, I hope there is still such a thing as a federal tax write-off after the government faces up to the economic mess we are all in. Michigan has already eliminated tax deductions for making donations. I read on the Saab website that the light weight Carl Gustaf M3 is being ordered by the US and several other countries to replace the AT4 and M2. Some are still keeping the M2 for training because it doe not have to be returned to the factory for servicing after a few hundred rounds. Israel is replacing most of their M2 with the new light weight M3. It is an issue with the M2 weight, not quality that is making them go with the M3.
I understand the Carl Gustaf has gain twist rifling and I bet it would be accurate if some system could be devised to safely launch a projectile. Maybe I'll try compressed air or nitrogen. |
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Posted: 3/10/2013 11:04:58 PM
I have a question about these, can one of these be sleeved like a 57mm can be and permanently converted to a sub caliber like 50 BMG or 30-06 So it does not have to be on a form 1?
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Posted: 3/11/2013 11:35:49 PM
Originally Posted By Sharpshooter:
I have a question about these, can one of these be sleeved like a 57mm can be and permanently converted to a sub caliber like 50 BMG or 30-06 So it does not have to be on a form 1? Key is PERMANENTLY. But yes - take a look at this: My understanding is: the sub caliber barrel in that 75mm is heavily ported just ahead of the chamber so there is actual back-blast (considerable amount from what I have heard!). Still, the gun pictured is probably 100 + lbs with tripod and still jumps quite a bit - so it does not look as if the porting counters the recoil as much as a true recoilless rifle round would. It is a title I gun that transfers like any rifle. |
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Posted: 3/12/2013 7:48:50 AM
That is very cool I would love to have one of the Gustavs to sleeve so I could subcaliber it down to 50 BMG.
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Posted: 4/4/2013 8:56:51 PM
Originally Posted By obersaber:
Lack of munitions is correct! An inert 84mm Carl Gustaf case went for $100 on Gunbroker a week ago. I read somewhere that a 57mm recoilless rifle goes through a pound of powder every shot. I also agree that a barrel patch weld right where my face goes does not inspire the fun type of excitement needed to get creative juices flowing. The tube is about 3/8" thick where the hole is cut out which seems a little thin to me but the Carl Gustaf rifle has been around since 1946 so I guess it must be OK. On a more serious note, I hope there is still such a thing as a federal tax write-off after the government faces up to the economic mess we are all in. Michigan has already eliminated tax deductions for making donations. I read on the Saab website that the light weight Carl Gustaf M3 is being ordered by the US and several other countries to replace the AT4 and M2. Some are still keeping the M2 for training because it doe not have to be returned to the factory for servicing after a few hundred rounds. Israel is replacing most of their M2 with the new light weight M3. It is an issue with the M2 weight, not quality that is making them go with the M3. I understand the Carl Gustaf has gain twist rifling and I bet it would be accurate if some system could be devised to safely launch a projectile. Maybe I'll try compressed air or nitrogen. If you made it launch a projectile with nitrogen or compressed air would it still have to be registered as a DD? Would it be possible to to build a very long 40mm DD or 37mm barrel or are those projectiles not made for that long of rifling, I know the trajectory would be different. |
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Posted: 4/7/2013 12:39:38 AM
[Last Edit: 4/7/2013 12:41:09 AM by CBR900]
Originally Posted By becks83:
Originally Posted By obersaber:
Lack of munitions is correct! An inert 84mm Carl Gustaf case went for $100 on Gunbroker a week ago. I read somewhere that a 57mm recoilless rifle goes through a pound of powder every shot. I also agree that a barrel patch weld right where my face goes does not inspire the fun type of excitement needed to get creative juices flowing. The tube is about 3/8" thick where the hole is cut out which seems a little thin to me but the Carl Gustaf rifle has been around since 1946 so I guess it must be OK. On a more serious note, I hope there is still such a thing as a federal tax write-off after the government faces up to the economic mess we are all in. Michigan has already eliminated tax deductions for making donations. I read on the Saab website that the light weight Carl Gustaf M3 is being ordered by the US and several other countries to replace the AT4 and M2. Some are still keeping the M2 for training because it doe not have to be returned to the factory for servicing after a few hundred rounds. Israel is replacing most of their M2 with the new light weight M3. It is an issue with the M2 weight, not quality that is making them go with the M3. I understand the Carl Gustaf has gain twist rifling and I bet it would be accurate if some system could be devised to safely launch a projectile. Maybe I'll try compressed air or nitrogen. If you made it launch a projectile with nitrogen or compressed air would it still have to be registered as a DD? Would it be possible to to build a very long 40mm DD or 37mm barrel or are those projectiles not made for that long of rifling, I know the trajectory would be different. Not sure - probably not because air guns are not "firearms" of any type in BATFE's eyes. But just Form 1 the thing & fire real rounds. EDIT - actually, ANYTHING you do to reverse the de-mill cuts/welded bar would require a Form 1 even if the ultimate plan is to use compressed air. |
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