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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Fingerprints over 30 days old = Denial?

Posted: 7/20/2017 8:57:35 PM EDT

I was just in my local SOT and the guy at the desk seemed to think if your fingerprint cards are over 30 days old either ink or electronic you would get denied and need to start the entire process over!? Any truth to this?

Doesn't make much sense to me that they would deny someone over something like that? When I get finger prints taken I like to get a few extra sets just in case I find something one of the many SOT dealers in my area might have in the store that they ordered.

Posted: 7/20/2017 9:03:22 PM EDT

[#1]

Who's dating the card?

Seems silly and more like typical gun store bs. What difference is a date going to make. Seriously, they're going to be almost a year old anyway when the examiner finally gets to them.

Posted: 7/20/2017 9:06:32 PM EDT

[#2]

Exactly made no sense to me! You would also think that if it were true everyone would be on the same page and you be told by the ATF that the prints need to be with 30 days of the date on the application.

Posted: 7/20/2017 9:39:56 PM EDT

[#3]

Sounds like BS to me. I just used CA to file a form 1 because they had mine and my wife's prints and photos.
They were taken in September, if there was any truth to this im sure Capitol would have made me take prints over again.

Come to think of it, the only thing I remember reading about is photos have to be less then a year old.

Posted: 7/20/2017 9:40:06 PM EDT

[#4]

There is no required date range for fingerprints. They don't change unless your fingers change.

Posted: 7/20/2017 9:46:03 PM EDT

[#5]

I know photos are only good for 1 year and pretty sure there is no time limit on prints.

Posted: 7/21/2017 2:03:31 AM EDT

[#6]

Time for you to set up a Silencer Shop account.

Posted: 7/21/2017 12:05:20 PM EDT

[#7]

I never looked at mine, I got 5 sets of prints a while back at the PD for free and have been using them since, I dont think theyre dated though

Posted: 7/21/2017 12:08:19 PM EDT

[#8]

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I was just in my local SOT and the guy at the desk seemed to think if your fingerprint cards are over 30 days old either ink or electronic you would get denied and need to start the entire process over!? Any truth to this?

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Fake news

SOT doesn't know whats up.

Have your dealer give us a call if he is Powered By.

Posted: 7/21/2017 12:38:09 PM EDT

[#9]

How long do you guys keep prints on file? Indefinitely? I didn't believe him it just blows that he's spreading misinformation.

Posted: 7/21/2017 12:41:35 PM EDT

[#10]

We keep them on file forever or until the ATF decides to change the the rules again

Posted: 7/21/2017 1:13:43 PM EDT

[#11]

The regs do say the pic has to be within the last year, juts like they used to say the CLEO sig had to be within the last year. There's nothing in there about fingerprints...as they don't changing barring some type of injury (actually they generally get worse as you get older).

That being said, I've seen some report getting them sent back if they were too old. Maybe 12 months?

I'm assuming when SS prints FP cards they have the current date, and not the date the person scanned them in. I know it's an editable field on the LiveScan system my local dealer uses. Also a benefit of doing your own...put whatever date you want.

Posted: 7/21/2017 2:34:12 PM EDT

[#12]

Yah I get mine done at a local LOE office and when she signed them she obviously put the date in the "date" section next to her Signature but that's the only place its is. They are the electronic ones as well that they printout so the ink will not run or anything. I was just very surprised that he said that so I wanted to make sure no one else has had any experiences with denials if a fingerprint card is 31 days old lol

Posted: 7/21/2017 2:38:10 PM EDT

[#13]

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The regs do say the pic has to be within the last year, juts like they used to say the CLEO sig had to be within the last year. There's nothing in there about fingerprints...as they don't changing barring some type of injury (actually they generally get worse as you get older).

That being said, I've seen some report getting them sent back if they were too old. Maybe 12 months?

I'm assuming when SS prints FP cards they have the current date, and not the date the person scanned them in. I know it's an editable field on the LiveScan system my local dealer uses. Also a benefit of doing your own...put whatever date you want.

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There could have been other issues with the prints beside the date.

We print the current date on the cards when we file the forms.

Posted: 7/21/2017 11:39:41 PM EDT

[#14]

I've never heard of any print card ever being rejected due to the date. Quality, yes; they will reject for poor quality. FBI standards say you can have 2 bad prints total, but not the same finger being bad on both cards. Live Scan eliminates this problem, basically. The digital cards are identical, and the computer automatically assesses the quality of each individual print at the time it is recorded. It still does not replace a human knowing what a good/bad print looks like, but overall it is better.

I store prints indefinitely. So does the FBI.

Posted: 7/23/2017 1:30:09 PM EDT

[#15]

Your prints will be well over 30 days old by the time ATF even looks at them... No approvals ever!

Posted: 7/23/2017 4:39:05 PM EDT

[#16]

There is no expiration on fingerprints, somebody is blow smoke up you he ha and does not know what they are talking about.

Posted: 7/24/2017 4:52:48 PM EDT

[#17]

There was a post many years back about a correction for print card date over a year old.

New prints were sent back with the error letter.

That is the only time I ever recall seeing anything about prints being too old, and it was not a denial but an error letter.

I have personally used cards at 10 months old at time of submission - but wait times were at 4 months at that particular time.

Posted: 7/24/2017 7:18:37 PM EDT

[#18]

How would they know if a photo is over 1 year old?

Rob

Posted: 7/24/2017 9:26:43 PM EDT

[#19]

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There is no expiration on fingerprints, somebody is blow smoke up you he ha and does not know what they are talking about.

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Fingerprints can change over time. One of my shooting buddies was a stone mason and his finger ridges were worn smooth over the years. He had no finger prints.

Posted: 7/24/2017 10:05:17 PM EDT

[#20]

They can get worse, yeah.

Posted: 7/25/2017 8:06:07 AM EDT

[#21]

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Fingerprints can change over time. One of my shooting buddies was a stone mason and his finger ridges were worn smooth over the years. He had no finger prints.

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There is no expiration on fingerprints, somebody is blow smoke up you he ha and does not know what they are talking about.

Fingerprints can change over time. One of my shooting buddies was a stone mason and his finger ridges were worn smooth over the years. He had no finger prints.

True. However, there is no regulation or rule setting an expiration date on them, like there is for photos.
Another example of why you get your print cards directly from the ATF and print yourself. Make a stack and date them just before they're submitted.

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