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Posted: 7/17/2017 7:28:15 PM EDT
My wife and I finally agreed to a suppressor for home defense pistol use, as we have a 4 year old and newborn boys. We don't want them going deaf, God Forbid we have to use a firearm in the event of a break-in, etc.
I've taken the advice of my friends at the gun store, and I was recommended the SilencerCo Osprey 45k for use on one of my 9mm pistols, or possibly a 45 in the future. From the videos I've seen and the SilencerCo site, this looks like a pretty versatile suppressor, and I'd be able to use it on a sub-sonic 300BLK AR pistol if I decide to build one. My other choice was the SilencerCo hybrid for versatility and use on my ARs, but it's heavy and would block pistol sights. Anyone have any experience or advice to share? 
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Posted: 7/17/2017 7:36:47 PM EDT
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MAXIM 9
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Posted: 7/17/2017 8:02:28 PM EDT
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Honestly, it sounds like a bad idea to me. If you're home defense gun is a 9mm, you have two things working against you - short length and a .45 caliber sized aperture.
For your application, you shouldn't be looking for flexibility but for the can that gives you the best performance possible matched with the host you are going to use. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 8:17:19 PM EDT
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Not a hybrid for this application.
Osprey 9mm would be good but make sure your light won't be blocked. Omega 9k would be good but you'll need to sight through the can--I just used the can edge against the target last time I shot and it worked well |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 10:32:45 PM EDT
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I have an Octane 45k and I'm not super impressed on 9mm. I know the Osprey 45k is a different can but as Engineer said the 45 caliber hole is working against you. My HD can right now is an AAC TiRANT-9s. Very impressive for the size and being so short and light it keeps the pistol maneuverable.
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Posted: 7/17/2017 10:50:18 PM EDT
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I wouldn't. Get one to shoot, not for HD. Lots of reasons but I think it's incredibly impractical. Osprey 9 owner and happy, just impractical.
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Posted: 7/17/2017 11:44:55 PM EDT
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Tirant 9m
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Posted: 7/17/2017 11:56:29 PM EDT
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My wife and I finally agreed to a suppressor for home defense pistol use, as we have a 4 year old and newborn boys. We don't want them going deaf, God Forbid we have to use a firearm in the event of a break-in, etc. Horrible rationale for getting a silencer. Quoted:
I've taken the advice of my friends at the gun store, and I was recommended the SilencerCo Osprey 45k for use on one of my 9mm pistols, or possibly a 45 in the future. Horrible choice given your host. Those are not your friends, they are salesman trying to sell you what they have, not what you need. Get a new gun store. They should have recommended a dedicated 9mm can. |
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Posted: 7/17/2017 11:56:46 PM EDT
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Is it me, or does that photo look like a full-size Osprey 45?
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Posted: 7/18/2017 10:27:22 AM EDT
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MAXIM 9 If you are set on a traditional can, the Osprey lineup is great for pistol use. If you plan on it becoming a multi-role can as you eluded to, I'd suggest a serviceable round can like the Octane 9/45/45K, Liberty Mystic X, Rugged Obsidian 45 (configurable length), and Dead Air Ghost 45M (configurable length). |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 10:53:14 AM EDT
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Is it me, or does that photo look like a full-size Osprey 45? |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 11:03:18 AM EDT
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I agree, that's an odd rationale for buying a silencer. Maybe it's just me, I dunno.
That said, I'd try to find someplace where you can try a few cans out and listen to them in person before buying anything. |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 11:17:00 AM EDT
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I myself would never buy a unproven gun (Maxim9) with a history of design issues for self defense.
If in a few years it shows itself to be reliable then perhaps but not now. A g19 with silencer performs double duty as a home gun and as a CC piece. YMMV |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 1:01:49 PM EDT
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I myself would never buy a unproven gun (Maxim9) with a history of design issues for self defense. 
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Posted: 7/18/2017 2:56:33 PM EDT
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I just bought a maxim 9 for fun and night stand duty.
So I'll second the maxim 9. |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 5:11:21 PM EDT
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I've tested this -- in my most accurate shooting stance (i.e. typical shouldered for carbine and isometric for handgun) my 9mm AR (4.5" barrel & Obsidian on a 3 lug) is shorter (from the back of my feet to the end of the muzzle -- measured by standing facing a wall in shooting position) than my P226 is WITHOUT a can, and MUCH shorter than the P226 with the can.
The PCC is roughly equivalent to shooting the silenced P226 from a retention position, which I can do fairly accurately (at close range) but not near as accurately as I can shoot an SBR. Target acquisition from retention is more difficult than most have practiced. Yeah, it's easy to shoot a target directly ahead of you, but try turning somewhere between 45 and 90 degrees to acquire the target and deliver solid hits from retention -- harder, no? And about retention: carbine with one hand on each end vs. handgun in a 1.5 handed grip with an 8" handle (can) on the end of it. It's no contest that I could retain a carbine better than a drawn handgun with a suppressor hanging off the end, especially when I need to keep the pistol in an extreme retention position so the can isn't accessible to areas I can't see. My 9mm AR also feeds 147gr Federal HST reliably. I know not all do. So I can pick between 3 main options (barring rifle calibers):
19 rounds of HST in a quiet but loooong package with poor retention capability and mediocre accuracy 33 rounds of HST in a quiet compact package with good retention capability and high accuracy |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 5:44:22 PM EDT
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If you really plan to suppress a 45 and can only afford one suppressor then the 45K is an ok choice.
If you can afford more than one can, once you have one you will have more. I like my Osprey 9 but next pistol suppressor was an Omega 9K. |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 10:16:05 PM EDT
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FWIW, the suppressor isn't going to be a "range toy", it's for preventing my kids from going deaf in the event I have to protect my family with a firearm in the home.
And I work at the gun store, so I have a wide variety of choices and no one is pressuring me into something to make the most money. I've seen the reviews and videos, and there is only about a 5 decibel difference between the 45 can and the 9 can on a 9mm pistol. I like the non-cylindrical design of the Osprey so I can use standard height sights. And there would still be sufficient room under the rail that a weapon light would provide illumination with an offset can. So other than that, is there something missing? And I can't afford the full Maxim pistol and they are hard to come by. |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 11:10:47 PM EDT
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FWIW, the suppressor isn't going to be a "range toy", it's for preventing my kids from going deaf in the event I have to protect my family with a firearm in the home. And I work at the gun store, so I have a wide variety of choices and no one is pressuring me into something to make the most money. I've seen the reviews and videos, and there is only about a 5 decibel difference between the 45 can and the 9 can on a 9mm pistol. I like the non-cylindrical design of the Osprey so I can use standard height sights. And there would still be sufficient room under the rail that a weapon light would provide illumination with an offset can. So other than that, is there something missing? And I can't afford the full Maxim pistol and they are hard to come by. G17/osprey 45 doesn't quite clear for me And others have issues with weapon light clearance, idk if it was Surefire or streamlight |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 11:20:01 PM EDT
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FWIW, the suppressor isn't going to be a "range toy", it's for preventing my kids from going deaf in the event I have to protect my family with a firearm in the home. And I work at the gun store, so I have a wide variety of choices and no one is pressuring me into something to make the most money. I've seen the reviews and videos, and there is only about a 5 decibel difference between the 45 can and the 9 can on a 9mm pistol. I like the non-cylindrical design of the Osprey so I can use standard height sights. And there would still be sufficient room under the rail that a weapon light would provide illumination with an offset can. So other than that, is there something missing? And I can't afford the full Maxim pistol and they are hard to come by. Depends on your host, but standard sights may still not clear an Osprey. Look around - maybe you can find and old ECO-9/EVO-9. |
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Posted: 7/19/2017 12:15:33 AM EDT
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5 dB is still 5 dB. SilencerCo quotes a difference of 8 dB between an Osprey 9 and 45K (127.0 dB vs. 135.0 dB). Your environment is small enclosed rooms with lots of hard reflective walls - I'd take as much suppression as I could get. Depends on your host, but standard sights may still not clear an Osprey. Look around - maybe you can find and old ECO-9/EVO-9. |
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Posted: 7/19/2017 12:25:44 AM EDT
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Get a 45 + a SilencerCo Osprey 45.
9mm suppressed - meh. 45 suppressed - awesome. SilencerCo all the way. |
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Posted: 7/19/2017 12:34:45 AM EDT
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 Attached FileToo much call of duty getting a can for HD. This is my nightstand rig. G17. Suppressor height trijicons. Minus connector. Alg magwell. Apl. There's a reason the can isn't on the gun. Clear a house with it, there's a foot long dong off the barrel. If you're really worried about hd do a aurora from gemtech. Listen to everyone on here. |
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Posted: 7/19/2017 10:12:59 AM EDT
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I like the non-cylindrical design of the Osprey so I can use standard height sights. See This Thread My Octane 45K sounds fine with 9mm 124gr and 147gr subs on my HK VP9. I did have to put suppressor-height sights on it. In two minutes, I can swap out the mount and put it on my AR9. If I ever get a threaded 45, I can use it there too. I liked the 45K for the versatility and I did not care for the extra weight/length of the regular Octane. I also looked at some of the newer modular suppressors and realized I'd probably never run it in the long configuration, so that feature would be wasted on me. Consider an AAC Illusion if you want an eccentric 9mm handgun suppressor. Hybrid is crazy talk. IMO, it's for .458 SOCOM and lever guns, not pistols. ETA: And with all of the stuff I've seen posted on gun boards regarding HD, a suppressed handgun is on the low end of odd/crazy. Sub guns with and without cans, rifles with and without cans, SBRs and AR/AK pistols, unreliable guns, night vision, armor... the list goes on. If it takes a suppressor to get the blessing from your wife, that's fine. |
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Posted: 7/19/2017 10:42:23 AM EDT
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Or get both the 45 and 45k in one can, cheaper, by getting the Obsidian.
Rugged Obsidian is slightly longer than the Osprey 45 in the long config and slightly longer than the Osprey 45k in the short config, but way quieter than both of their respective Osprey configurations (especially K form). On my 1911 the Obsidian comes up to the top of my sights, so I can align the sights as normal and sight along the top of the can the same way I sight along the front blade of the sights. |
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Posted: 7/19/2017 2:19:05 PM EDT
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At some point I'll probably be getting a FNX 45 Tactical or a SIG P320 TacOps to mount the suppressor as the "designated " platform prior to my stamp being approved and returned.
Both have threaded barrels and high sights. More likely it'll be the FNX 45 Tactical Hope that helps the conversation. |
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Posted: 7/19/2017 3:27:40 PM EDT
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Horrible rationale for getting a silencer. I understand they make the pistol longer, but it's just a secondary item in a holster, and I plan to hunker in place with a suppressed rifle. |
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Posted: 7/19/2017 3:58:03 PM EDT
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At some point I'll probably be getting a FNX 45 Tactical or a SIG P320 TacOps to mount the suppressor as the "designated " platform prior to my stamp being approved and returned. Both have threaded barrels and high sights. More likely it'll be the FNX 45 Tactical Hope that helps the conversation. And add the USP 45 Tactical to the list of guns. |
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Posted: 7/19/2017 9:43:39 PM EDT
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See This Thread OP, to bad your not a Texas resident, or I would sell you mine at a discount. Quoted:
ETA: And with all of the stuff I've seen posted on gun boards regarding HD, a suppressed handgun is on the low end of odd/crazy. Sub guns with and without cans, rifles with and without cans, SBRs and AR/AK pistols, unreliable guns, night vision, armor... the list goes on. If it takes a suppressor to get the blessing from your wife, that's fine. 
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Posted: 7/19/2017 9:51:01 PM EDT
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We don't want them going deaf, God Forbid we have to use a firearm in the event of a break-in, etc. It will only be too loud for people in the same room as the gunfire. People in other rooms, especially with the doors closed, probably won't be affected by the sound to the point of hearing damage. However, this will vary depending on house design (amount of openness to other rooms where people are) and flooring materials (carpet absorbs sound very well). |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:30:46 AM EDT
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Is it me, or does that photo look like a full-size Osprey 45? Also, a full size or caliber specific model would be better. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:59:25 AM EDT
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My wife and I finally agreed to a suppressor for home defense pistol use, as we have a 4 year old and newborn boys. We don't want them going deaf, God Forbid we have to use a firearm in the event of a break-in, etc. .... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/131211/IMG-5225-256490.jpg |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 9:49:58 AM EDT
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Horrible rationale for getting a silencer. Horrible choice given your host. Those are not your friends, they are salesman trying to sell you what they have, not what you need. Get a new gun store. They should have recommended a dedicated 9mm can. 
You think wanting to quite something that can damage hearing, especially with kids around is horrible rationale for getting a silencer?
I don't even know where to begin but it would be mostly coc violations. I mean....any brains? At all? You obviously don't have kids. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 9:54:45 AM EDT
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FWIW, the suppressor isn't going to be a "range toy", it's for preventing my kids from going deaf in the event I have to protect my family with a firearm in the home. And I work at the gun store, so I have a wide variety of choices and no one is pressuring me into something to make the most money. I've seen the reviews and videos, and there is only about a 5 decibel difference between the 45 can and the 9 can on a 9mm pistol. I like the non-cylindrical design of the Osprey so I can use standard height sights. And there would still be sufficient room under the rail that a weapon light would provide illumination with an offset can. So other than that, is there something missing? And I can't afford the full Maxim pistol and they are hard to come by. I can't wait to hear the dumb ass excuses for saying it's a horrible rationale to want a suppressor for your own hearing jet alone small children. I mean cmon. That has to win the award for the dumbest shit said this year.
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Posted: 7/20/2017 9:56:06 AM EDT
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/376523/15004385907752117932883-257640.JPG Too much call of duty getting a can for HD. This is my nightstand rig. G17. Suppressor height trijicons. Minus connector. Alg magwell. Apl. There's a reason the can isn't on the gun. Clear a house with it, there's a foot long dong off the barrel. If you're really worried about hd do a aurora from gemtech. Listen to everyone on here. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 10:03:56 AM EDT
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It will only be too loud for people in the same room as the gunfire. People in other rooms, especially with the doors closed, probably won't be affected by the sound to the point of hearing damage. However, this will vary depending on house design (amount of openness to other rooms where people are) and flooring materials (carpet absorbs sound very well). 
OP. First off, silence everything 
But if you can't definitely suppressor your HD gun. It mostly doesn't matter what you use for HD as long as: 1. It works 2. You train with it. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 10:10:14 AM EDT
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Wow at this thread. Shows just how clueless people can be.
There are so many variables here but people just want to say OP's rational is "horrible"? Clueless. What if you live in a commie state? In NY every cop I knew told me don't clear your house. Get your family in your room and wait for the cops. If the perp comes to your room first ask them nuckeyvto leave. Then blow them. Then maybe shoot warning shots. Then shoot them and then you might not go to jail for shooting a protected species(the criminal) I mean there are a million scenarios. I know everyone here is trained to clear their house properly right? You're all rambos. Jesus.
You're thinking correctly OP. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 10:31:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:Then maybe shoot warning shots. I'm guessing the gun shop doesn't want the hassle to get something in for their employee. IF being the most quietest is your primary objective due to your children being in the home, you get a caliber specific can and use it on that caliber. On a sidenote, for those who use a suppressed handgun as a nightstand gun, how do you keep it locked up? I've got guns locked up around the house for home defense, but none of them are suppressed. Honestly, doens't really bother me and I do have kids. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 10:46:44 AM EDT
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Wow at this thread. Shows just how clueless people can be. There are so many variables here but people just want to say OP's rational is "horrible"? OP hasn't described his HD strategy enough to provide better guidance. If he's planning to gather his family and hunker down waiting for the police, then I don't know why he's looking at a K can. If he's planning to go out and find potential BGs then 1. his family won't be in the immediate location of where he is shooting and 2. a suppressor on the end of a pistol is a huge disadvantage. An unsuppressed pistol or a suppressed PCC or rifle are all better options than running around with 16" of unretainable weapon. So OP's current direction is sort of the worst of both worlds regardless of the plan. That's the experience and advice he's getting. Add on that if the rationale for the Osprey is to see the sights, and the Osprey doesn't allow for the sights to be seen on most stock pistols, then there's a whole world of other cans out there that will perform better than the Osprey 45k. Thanks for your contributions to the tech area though. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 10:53:54 AM EDT
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THAT is the most stupidist comment per this thread IMO. Quote HistoryQuoted:
THAT is the most stupidist comment per this thread IMO. On a sidenote, for those who use a suppressed handgun as a nightstand gun, how do you keep it locked up? |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 11:07:28 AM EDT
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On a sidenote, for those who use a suppressed handgun as a nightstand gun, how do you keep it locked up? I've got guns locked up around the house for home defense, but none of them are suppressed. Honestly, doens't really bother me and I do have kids. I also use the FAS1 SBD safe. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 11:20:36 AM EDT
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If the perp comes to your room first ask them nuckeyvto leave. Then blow them. Then maybe shoot warning shots. Quote HistoryQuoted:
If the perp comes to your room first ask them nuckeyvto leave. Then blow them. Then maybe shoot warning shots. 
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As opposed to a rifle that's way longer? Almost everyone here who is telling him to go for it? |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 11:59:40 AM EDT
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then he shouldn't be looking for a K can because a .45 K can is still going to be f'ing loud on a 9mm. For the 5-10 shots (or even the unlikely 20-30) fired in an HD situation it will make a very significant difference on hearing damage. From that brief encounter you probably would have very little hearing damage if you had any at all. I would absolutely use a K can for HD. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 1:49:53 PM EDT
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I have taken my ear pro off for a few rounds from my Osprey and I would say that is was uncomfortable, but not horrible. Quieter than unsuppressed? Absolutely no doubt. Worth the drawbacks of extending the weapon by 6.5"? Very arguable, IMO no. An additional inch and a half makes a dramatic difference in suppression (10db on 9mm from Osp45k to Osp45). If we were talking about a .45 host then the difference in suppression isn't that great (137 vs 131) but 135 to 125 on 9mm is HUGE. The Osprey 45k is a lousy choice for a 9mm platform, barring some unusually restrictive requirements. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:13:18 PM EDT
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Worth the drawbacks of extending the weapon by 6.5"? ... but 135 to 125 on 9mm is HUGE. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:26:34 PM EDT
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It will only be too loud for people in the same room as the gunfire. People in other rooms, especially with the doors closed, probably won't be affected by the sound to the point of hearing damage. However, this will vary depending on house design (amount of openness to other rooms where people are) and flooring materials (carpet absorbs sound very well).
OP. First off, silence everything
But if you can't definitely suppressor your HD gun.  )
I agree, suppress everything you can, most definitely your HD gun. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:32:04 PM EDT
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I'll take the opposite side. I love my osprey 45k. I shoot it on a Glock 23 in .40 and on my 9mm scorpion Evo. It pretty much lives on the evo now but it is safe and comfortable to shoot outdoors without plugs. Indoors will be worse but much better than no can.
9 and .40 both have quieter levels out of the can than .45 despite being smaller than the .45 aperture. It's a great can. Is it as quiet as a bigger can? No. But the tone is great and it's quiet enough for my use. Sounds like a nail gun. I like short guns and short cans. It works for me. |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 5:05:34 AM EDT
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To be fair, he was lampooning liberal laws and judicial findings. http://products.fas1safe.com/product.sc?productId=16 |
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Posted: 7/24/2017 7:11:36 PM EDT
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The original picture I posted of the FDE can was incorrect. The one I am planning on is the Osprey 45k, which is a shade over 6" long.
And in case some did not read the original post, my kids are age 4 years, and 6 weeks. I don't want to inflict permanent hearing loss to their sensitive and still-growing ears should the need arise in a home defense scenario. Thanks for all the input. |
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