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Posted: 5/22/2017 3:32:54 PM EDT
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I love my RC2 no complaints here.
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Posted: 5/22/2017 3:56:22 PM EDT
[#2]
Best mount in the business as far as I'm concerned. Have an RC1 and RC2. Would love to add a mini if I had any more dollars in the silencer fund.
The significant blowback mitigation is a big selling point for me as a lefty. 
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Posted: 5/22/2017 4:07:09 PM EDT
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I know there are a lot of trolls out there. But those of you with experience, are you not happy with sf cans? I have 3 sf cans and i absolutely love them! Just wondering because anytime someone reccomends one to another person on here, people always have something to say about it. When they first entered the market, they would not even talk to you if you were not LEO/MIL. No civilian sales. Then there was the idiotic "special steel" they claimed the used that allowed for 50 30 round magazines to be fired back to back without a failure. Then they changed mounts after people invested in them. Then there was all the vaporware products..... |
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Posted: 5/22/2017 5:02:56 PM EDT
[#4]
I dunno about hate, I definitely want to add one to the collection further on down the road.
The cost and availability of mounts concerns me a bit with the limited research I've done, but I figure I'll cross that bridge when I get there. |
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Posted: 5/22/2017 5:58:11 PM EDT
[#5]
Those I've heard are loud, and they are expensive.
My predator hunting bud has one. He likes it for the repeatability, I like it better when he hunts with his rifle set up for his Halo GMT... Fwiw, I haven't had repeatability issues with the ASR QD system, YHM's QD system or DT "permanently" mounted. |
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Posted: 5/22/2017 6:29:26 PM EDT
[#6]
I was at a LE demo when they were first released. They demonstrated the cool over barrel mount and promptly had a baffle strike. I've shot dozens of SF cans over the years and the comparable competing products always sound quieter to me. SF commands a premium price which is also a bit absurd.
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Posted: 5/22/2017 7:06:04 PM EDT
[#7]
I've got five Surefire cans and like them all. I use my 762 SOCOM the least and my minis the most.
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Posted: 5/22/2017 7:12:01 PM EDT
[#8]
Me, because they sued AAC over false advertising because of this picture
Santa Ana, CA – The court denied Surefire’s preliminary injunction motion and silenced its attempt to shoot down Advanced Armament’s silencer advertising. (Motion details blogged here). The court quickly pointed out that the accused advertisement doesn’t make any reference to Surefire and the pictured suppressor is not readily identifiable as a Surefire product. Surefire must be questioning its decision to file a lawsuit that – unlike the advertisement at issue – unequivocally identified its product as the one pictured in the advertisement and brought more attention to it than the advertisement itself. Basically, they came off as whiny bitches who couldn't handle competitive marketing. |
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Posted: 5/22/2017 9:02:56 PM EDT
[#9]
I like my surefire.
I like my AAC. I remember when surefire was on top. It wasn't that long ago. |
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Posted: 5/22/2017 9:43:58 PM EDT
[#10]
I've heard they're comparatively loud and they are definitely on the pricey side, but that doesn't stop me from wanting a SOCOM 762 Mini 2 anyways... I like their muzzle devices, mounting system and the overall dimensions. Seems like a solid jack of all trades. I'm not too concerned with the whole hearing safe thing, I will continue to wear PPE regardless.
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Posted: 5/22/2017 9:45:26 PM EDT
[#11]
My Ryder is pretty quiet. Very light weight but does have some FRP.
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Posted: 5/22/2017 10:13:36 PM EDT
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I was hung up on DBs for a while but after owning one of the quietest 556s on the market, specwar 556, I realized my priorities differed than I originally thought. I ended up snagging my socom mini and SF3P (arfcom hookup
 ) for $774, in Dec 2015, and couldn't be happier with it on a 11.5" SBR. Length is great, mount is awesome, weight is okay, price was right
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Posted: 5/22/2017 10:15:40 PM EDT
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Me, because they sued AAC over false advertising because of this picture https://www.iptrademarkattorney.com/files/2016/05/false-advertising-lawyer-silencer-advertisement-surefire-gun.jpg Link with details Basically, they came off as whiny bitches who couldn't handle competitive marketing. They served 4Sevens, Jetbeam, and a couple other major flashlight manufacturers a few years back for patent infringement over a clicky switch or something. Served them the papers at Shot Show. I think they make good products but their business practices can be somewhat off putting. They love those sweet sweet gov contracts, but civilian sales and customer service seems to be a low priority to them. |
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Posted: 5/22/2017 10:29:18 PM EDT
[#14]
@kudu22
I think the sps300 and of course the Ryder series shows, maybe not foresight, but situational awareness that govt sales may not be forever, civilians can spend money too. |
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Posted: 5/22/2017 10:32:25 PM EDT
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I have a surefire, It lives on my MK18, which is my "work" gun. It isn't quiet, but it works ok. The mount is strong but thats because it is carbon locked at this point. It would take an act of god to get it off.
I got it with a 65% off or something like that, I can't remember. Personally, I wouldn't buy another at retail, but for the price I got it at, it was worth it I suppose. |
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Posted: 5/22/2017 10:49:40 PM EDT
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Started with a 556RC and a 762RC, liked them so well I got another 556RC. Now have a 300SPS in jail, should be approved any time. I'll chase DBs with my 22LR cans. Everyone has different priorities; mounting system and low back pressure were my two tops for rifle cans.
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Posted: 5/22/2017 11:03:30 PM EDT
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Surefire is the HK of the flashlight world.
You suck, they hate you, now pay up. Plus, they fire anyone who makes gear people actually want...buy hey, how bout that wrist light? What, you don't want some wiz bang 87 color switching dual intensity light? But it's so awesome...so what if it isn't practical or useful... But, who would ever want a basic simple protected clickie tailcap on a Fury and then to use it as a weapon light...no way... 
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Posted: 5/22/2017 11:44:10 PM EDT
[#18]
Several years back silencer shop made a video testing several cans.
They originally were gonna test the surefire in that video but didnt. They ended up sending the the can back to surefire because they thought something was wrong with it, it was so loud. When I asked what was surefires response to it, they told me surefire tried blaming it on atmospherics that day. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 12:32:11 AM EDT
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Expensive, loud, heavy. The loud part is more about having lower back pressure (allegedly) and they don't need to be hearing safe to provide audio signature reduction to external parties.
But still too expensive, loud and heavy for average civilian use. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 1:58:50 AM EDT
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Im a fan. I bought a few when my only experience had been with NT4 and M4-2000 and the SF cans were a great upgrade. Lighter than the KAC and as good as the AAC with a mount better than both.
I do feel like they screwed us on the mounts. They promised right here on arfcom that they would do occasional runs of legacy mounts. That has turned out to be bullshit. Now I have 4 SF legacy rifle cans and the mounts are unobtanium. They didnt even buy me dinner first. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 3:03:22 AM EDT
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And yet if had bought a Surefire can and never visited ARF to hear others opinions it would likely provide me with a lifetime of service like the rest of their gear and I would never be the wiser.
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Posted: 5/23/2017 3:37:57 AM EDT
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I love their flashlights. Most all my weapon lights are SureFire.
Silencers are way expensive, and have a tendency to launch down range... I went AAC for my rifle cans and am very happy. Surefire should stick with what they know, lights. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 6:17:56 AM EDT
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and have a tendency to launch down range... |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 8:08:06 AM EDT
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Ok, I'll call BS. Care to explain or is it misappropriated hate? http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_20/443770_Launched-my-SOCOM762-down-range-today.html |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 9:25:26 AM EDT
[#25]
If launching your suppressor downrange fosters hate, then every suppressor manufacturer should be hated.
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Posted: 5/23/2017 9:28:37 AM EDT
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If launching your suppressor downrange fosters hate, then every suppressor manufacturer should be hated. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 9:30:25 AM EDT
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Besides being loud and expensive, I've seen some endcap welds that were horribly underfilled and just about as ugly I've seen anywhere.
Buy one if you want, but I'd want to see whatever I was getting first. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 9:46:00 AM EDT
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I have a surefire, It lives on my MK18, which is my "work" gun. It isn't quiet, but it works ok. The mount is strong but thats because it is carbon locked at this point. It would take an act of god to get it off.
I got it with a 65% off or something like that, I can't remember. Personally, I wouldn't buy another at retail, but for the price I got it at, it was worth it I suppose. Seems...strange...that DA's biggest fan wouldn't use a Sandman for any of the above mentioned purposes. 
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Posted: 5/23/2017 9:59:02 AM EDT
[#29]
I bought 8k in suppressors I've gotten seven of them back this past month. Waiting on the last two. After doing research and seeing and hearing SF and the cost for what you get. It'd be stupid to buy them. Your paying for a name and low quality. They were not on my list of cans that I even considered. I ended up with Griffin, AAC, Yankeehill and Silencerco
Here's the seven I just got. 
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Posted: 5/23/2017 9:59:33 AM EDT
[#30]
I dunno, but I am waiting on a 300SPS since my AAC 7.62 SDN-6 had the welds holding the first blast baffle in place give out and was destroyed on the next shot when the tube bulged.
The RC cans specifically are supposed to be the toughest cans around. That's said, I will be buying a silencerco Omega next. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 10:11:21 AM EDT
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What's a "work" gun? Is this the gun you use for official duty, most used personally, or most likely to use in a self defense situation? Seems...strange...that DA's biggest fan wouldn't use a Sandman for any of the above mentioned purposes. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 10:55:23 AM EDT
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The RC cans specifically are supposed to be the toughest cans around. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 12:33:18 PM EDT
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And yet if had bought a Surefire can and never visited ARF to hear others opinions it would likely provide me with a lifetime of service like the rest of their gear and I would never be the wiser. JPK |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 12:42:15 PM EDT
[#34]
I don't just hate "one" Surefire. I hate all of them.
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Posted: 5/23/2017 2:50:43 PM EDT
[#35]
I have a 7.62 mini, and 300 sps. Id trade them both straight up for two omegas if I could (have an omega already as well).
A 300 sps mini at a good price would be a great can if they made it. Other than that, meh. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 2:52:57 PM EDT
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A friend ordered two SF cans as soon as they became legal in Minnesota. He was assured by SF that they would be shipping all orders to distributors "Within a couple months".
After waiting 18 months, with nothing but further stalling responses, even at the NRA show, he canceled and ordered other brands. Another person did finally get one, and is still waiting after almost a year to get the mounts he ordered. They might make great cans. They just don't seem to care much about selling them. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 3:26:02 PM EDT
[#37]
I'm not belittling SF suppressors or the company. I'm just say that in my opinion there are better suppressors for a lot less money with better customer svc.
You know what they say about opinions. If you have a SF and are happy with it. Then that's great. I was not putting anyone down that bought one. I just wanted to be clear on this 
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Posted: 5/23/2017 8:26:17 PM EDT
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Probably the numerous reports of people launching them downrange on this forum over they years. The current design allows you to ratchet the collar and think it is locked on, when it isn't. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Probably the numerous reports of people launching them downrange on this forum over they years. The current design allows you to ratchet the collar and think it is locked on, when it isn't. Quoted:
Your paying for a name and low quality. The hate is strong in this thread and I'm not even a fanboy. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 8:58:06 PM EDT
[#39]
For surefire money, you could buy a KAC can.
The NT4 is the most durable 5.56 can in the world. The newer KAC can is even better. They are pricy...but they are also a lifetime can. For less money, you can get an AAC M42K which is still the quietest 5.56 that most places ever tested. The current price for the M42K makes buying one the optimal choice....only issue is that they do produce a lot of back pressure and gas. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 9:04:42 PM EDT
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Me, because they sued AAC over false advertising because of this picture https://www.iptrademarkattorney.com/files/2016/05/false-advertising-lawyer-silencer-advertisement-surefire-gun.jpg Link with details Basically, they came off as whiny bitches who couldn't handle competitive marketing. Sued a company that doesn't affect your life whatsoever so you had to make a line in the sand over it even though you had nothing to do with it? 
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Posted: 5/23/2017 11:35:26 PM EDT
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Regardless, to say they "have a tendency to launch down range" is much different than to say they are not fool proof. Low quality too, huh? The hate is strong in this thread and I'm not even a fanboy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Probably the numerous reports of people launching them downrange on this forum over they years. The current design allows you to ratchet the collar and think it is locked on, when it isn't. Quoted:
Your paying for a name and low quality. The hate is strong in this thread and I'm not even a fanboy. |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 1:16:42 AM EDT
[#42]
They are Loud and expensive.. my buddys 7.62 RC makes everyone that has ever been near its ears ring... my 7.62 SS is better but it is bigger.. but hell if i can find a mount for it!! I actually think the cans got worse when they started the SOCOM line... but have not tried the SPS and RC2
But will say the 7.62 SS has worked well on my LaRue PreditOBR .. Less POI shift than other cans i have shot... but only one to have a left right shift as well as an up down.. but there is not ZERO POI shift like they calmed when i got the can.. |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 2:38:34 AM EDT
[#43]
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Me, because they sued AAC over false advertising because of this picture https://www.iptrademarkattorney.com/files/2016/05/false-advertising-lawyer-silencer-advertisement-surefire-gun.jpg Link with details Basically, they came off as whiny bitches who couldn't handle competitive marketing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Me, because they sued AAC over false advertising because of this picture https://www.iptrademarkattorney.com/files/2016/05/false-advertising-lawyer-silencer-advertisement-surefire-gun.jpg Santa Ana, CA – The court denied Surefire’s preliminary injunction motion and silenced its attempt to shoot down Advanced Armament’s silencer advertising. (Motion details blogged here). The court quickly pointed out that the accused advertisement doesn’t make any reference to Surefire and the pictured suppressor is not readily identifiable as a Surefire product. Surefire must be questioning its decision to file a lawsuit that – unlike the advertisement at issue – unequivocally identified its product as the one pictured in the advertisement and brought more attention to it than the advertisement itself. Basically, they came off as whiny bitches who couldn't handle competitive marketing. |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 8:02:42 AM EDT
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Anyone new to buying suppressors would not be able to tell you crap about who made that suppressor except that it was spot welded. I do not know the different manufacturers by looking at them on the inside either. I did not keep up on all that before buying mine. Even now unless I went looking to specifically ID those cans. I and a ton of other people could not tell you who made that can that's spot welded. Not everyone is as knowledgeable as you. So you are very wrong in your statement.
Calling people lairs that say they can't ID that suppressor makes you look like an ass. |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 8:42:40 AM EDT
[#45]
I think that this "I love it" / "I hate it" crap that goes on with silencers is because once you buy one, you're married to it, for life (till death do us part). People get pissed that theirs wasn't chosen by the military, even though theirs is quieter, or theirs is built better. But to be honest the military sometimes doesn't buy the best stuff. Heck, they chose Sigs over Glocks (HA HA). So if you like yours, great, but don't bash others. If you don't like others, great, get over it and enjoy what you have.
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Posted: 5/24/2017 8:53:37 AM EDT
[#46]
Give the man a bone.
you are absolutely correct it's hard to divorce a suppressor to unless you give it away in all honesty this is a dumb post. I like all suppressors. Any suppressor is better than none. Some may be better than others. But I've never met one that I would not take home with me.
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Posted: 5/24/2017 9:09:00 AM EDT
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If launching your suppressor downrange fosters hate, then every suppressor manufacturer should be hated. And the mount is included in the box with the can. Are there "better" cans out there? Sure, but for a civilian shooter my M2 is more than good enough. |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 9:14:50 AM EDT
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I like yankeehill. Mines a TITANIUM 308 it's a dt though for my m40a5 I wanted a qd but my barrel was to fat for one and I was not getting it turned down for one. It's to accurate to mess with.
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Posted: 5/24/2017 10:04:55 AM EDT
[#49]
For what it's worth, my "quietest" can (Specwar 556) is my least favorite and my "loudest" can (Surefire RC1) is my favorite. Just depends on your preferences/needs. YMMV.
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Posted: 5/24/2017 10:16:48 AM EDT
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For what it's worth, my "quietest" can (Specwar 556) is my least favorite and my "loudest" can (Surefire RC1) is my favorite. Just depends on your preferences/needs. YMMV. Mind you, I got all my Surefire cans when Silencershop was running some deals so I didn't pay full price for any of them. ETA- gratuitous pic.... 
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