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Posted: 4/26/2017 1:57:35 AM EDT
I wanted to put this here so that others would not make the same mistake I did. I bought an Osprey last year and didn't receive it until a few month ago. I was initially attracted to the idea of a can where most of the mass was below the barrel. One assumption I made was that it standard height sights would be able to see over the barrel.
Wrong, it is just like every other can -  Attached FileRecently I just got a weapon light to help make this a good home defense can -  Attached File Attached FileIf the HPA passes or the form 4 wait time drops very low, this can is gone. |
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Posted: 4/26/2017 2:19:39 AM EDT
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Since this is a technical forum, I'll simply say you should have done your homework.
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Posted: 4/26/2017 2:36:58 AM EDT
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Since this is a technical forum, I'll simply say you should have done your homework. |
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Posted: 4/26/2017 2:43:51 AM EDT
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I hope the HPA passes.
I was looking at those as well, I ended up going with the traditional can. |
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Posted: 4/26/2017 3:25:23 AM EDT
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Inforce apl fixes the light issue, but yeah, new sights are in order also.
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Posted: 4/26/2017 5:53:34 AM EDT
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The Osprey is doing exactly what it is supposed to do... It's the other end where the problem is.
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Posted: 4/26/2017 7:02:33 AM EDT
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Since this is a technical forum, I'll simply say you should have done your homework. There are a few lights that will work with it and on other guns particularly, Glock sights and their rail is pretty low profile. Random example, not mine:  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/26/2017 7:12:45 AM EDT
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Mine works fine even with sights.
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Posted: 4/26/2017 7:23:06 AM EDT
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What really sucks is that we are stuck (for now anyway) with a system where after spending a large sum of $$ and waiting months and months, your pretty much stuck with it. Regardless if you did or didn't do your homework, still a crappy position to be in. Buy a TV and hate it, bring it back. Buy a pistol and hate it, no worries. Might take a small hit but you can resell with ease. But a suppressor and hate it...oh freakin well.
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Posted: 4/26/2017 7:39:42 AM EDT
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it's those damn low bore to axis of those Glock's
I will give you 150 bucks for it when the HPA passes but you really should have done your research first I bought the Octane 45 HD for that very reason, but I have all Sigs and the X300ultras fit fine beneath them |
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Posted: 4/26/2017 7:53:37 AM EDT
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Really poor choice of a title...
I like all three of my Ospreys. |
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Posted: 4/26/2017 8:00:15 AM EDT
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Why not get a host for the Osprey that's more accommodating to being suppressed?
The G19 has all of these low profile features so that it will be a compact and fast CCW.. suppressors dont mix well with firearms that are designed around CCW (generally speaking). Night Sights are a must for any CCW in my opinion, just get a set of Trijicon suppressor height sights for your G19. There are MANY fixes to the issues in this thread, of course, most of them involve spending money (which you may or may not have at the moment since you just purchased a suppressor). I've heard that SIG, CZ, Springfield XD(m), and H&K offerings all have sights that clear the Osprey. |
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Posted: 4/26/2017 8:07:17 AM EDT
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Plenty of information out there now, but cannot fault the buyer for thinking Sico is being honest in their published information.
Sico states the Osprey will not block "most standard pistol sights", which of course is false. A more correct statement would be "Will not block a select few standard large pistol sights, but many people might be unhappy to discover it does block theirs". They could easily show a list of those stock pistols that are compatible with their statement, but they won't. To be fair, most round cans will also block standard sights; but this is a particular advertising point used by Sico. Agree with the idea that CCW and suppressor friendly pistols are two different animals. The tall sights do not lend themselves well to carry, are more prone to snag on clothing, and won't even fit some quality carry holsters. (My opinion, as someone who teaches the subject, has many examples of each, and has seen many more in use). |
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Posted: 4/26/2017 8:23:17 AM EDT
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I'm pretty sure that issue with the light, you know, where you put something in the way of the can, is not a problem with the can.
Let me give you an example: If I park my riding mower in my driveway and I can't get my car in, I don't think it's GM's fault. |
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Posted: 4/26/2017 8:23:32 AM EDT
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Correction: Ospreys suck for YOU. Great for everyone else.
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Posted: 4/26/2017 9:31:17 AM EDT
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The Osprey is a winner in my books.
My 2nd Osprey 45 will hopefully be approved this week or the following. I am tossing that onto my Glock 21 and using a Gen 3 Inforce APL instead of a Surefire X300 Ultra due to the lack of room from the suppressor. |
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Posted: 4/26/2017 9:34:16 AM EDT
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"just like all others" is an incorrect statement. I've never used an osprey, but I have a DeadAir Mask HD and can see my standard sights just fine.
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Posted: 4/26/2017 10:03:19 AM EDT
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I wanted to put this here so that others would not make the same mistake I did. I bought an Osprey last year and didn't receive it until a few month ago. I was initially attracted to the idea of a can where most of the mass was below the barrel. One assumption I made was that it standard height sights would be able to see over the barrel. Wrong, it is just like every other can - https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/427565/osprey1-195536.JPG Recently I just got a weapon light to help make this a good home defense can - https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/427565/opsrey2-195539.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/427565/osprey3-195540.JPG If the HPA passes or the form 4 wait time drops very low, this can is gone. You have illustrated exactly what my dealer told me when I was in the market for a pistol can. The AAC Illusion 9 will apparently clear most sights, but not all. I ended up with an Octane 45K. Yeah, it'll be another ~$150 per gun for suppressor sights. In for a penny, in for a pound. Sucks that your dealer didn't explain these things to you. |
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Posted: 4/26/2017 10:13:55 AM EDT
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So you're blaming the can because you didn't think things through properly.
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Posted: 4/26/2017 10:25:04 AM EDT
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Get the suppressor height sights, or buy the suppressor ready glock with high sights already.
And while the x300 and tlr1 don't fit, the inforce apl fits perfect on a 17 with my osprey45. First world problems but I understand. This doesn't make the can a bad can, as it's a great can. Just a weird fit with a light and glock sights hug the slide very tight.  Attached File Attached FileEdit. My HD gun sits out loaded and unlocked. Children are a non issue. The only concern would be a break in and we're in a safe neighborhood. I'd make a recommendation. Pistols are small for concealment and ease of use. Why make it longer with a can? If there's an intruder, I'd rather not get the can confiscated too... and if I'm not home during a break in, my can on my HD gun is gone. I picked up the apl on the EE and it's a great light with great warranty.  Attached File Attached FileEdit number 2. Apparently I forgot I did buy the factory 17 host with factory tall sights. I did replace them with trijicons. I'll do some poking in my boxes and if I can find them (I have a lot of gun shit), I will get your address and have the factory steel high sights. Problem solved |
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Posted: 4/26/2017 10:26:26 AM EDT
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I'm pretty sure that issue with the light, you know, where you put something in the way of the can, is not a problem with the can. Let me give you an example: If I park my riding mower in my driveway and I can't get my car in, I don't think it's GM's fault. OP, the problem you're running into is an issue with the G19 using ANY (?) suppressor.. NOT a problem with ALL suppressors or any specific suppressor.. Bottom line is that you chose poorly, NEVER buy a suppressor you're unfamiliar with. AND when I say familiar with, you should take it's host weapon TO THE STORE and fit it to the suppressor in the configuration you plan on using in order to determine it's the right suppressor for your rig. |
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Posted: 4/26/2017 11:08:09 AM EDT
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Oh boy, I hope this ends up in GD. OP is
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Posted: 4/26/2017 11:15:01 AM EDT
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I thought the Osprey sucked (imo) mostly because I didn't like the looks and it's not user serviceable.
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Posted: 4/26/2017 11:15:39 AM EDT
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The Osprey is a winner in my books. http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu125/986S/8B88E412-9FBE-496E-8471-C7AE1A84BBF0_zpszchkdqta.jpg My 2nd Osprey 45 will hopefully be approved this week or the following. I am tossing that onto my Glock 21 and using a Gen 3 Inforce APL instead of a Surefire X300 Ultra due to the lack of room from the suppressor. 
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Posted: 4/26/2017 11:24:58 AM EDT
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ETA PSA: Ospreys don't suck and apostrophe "s" is only used with nouns to show possession.
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Posted: 4/26/2017 12:01:34 PM EDT
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I keep seeing that picture all over the internet. You are going to make me buy that aren't you. |
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Posted: 4/26/2017 12:04:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/26/2017 12:06:30 PM EDT
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I don't understand why people buy the osprey. What is the appeal? Everybody is blaming OP for not reading up, which I guess is warranted. BUT, he's right:
2. It is not user serviceable, so you get a bunch of crap rattling around inside from dirty 9mm. Ends up sounding like one of these. 3. It is between 3-5db louder than traditional designs of the same weight. seems to me that its main selling point is that it looks cool. |
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Posted: 4/26/2017 12:06:35 PM EDT
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This will fix your problems. AAC Illusion Plus you can take it apart (no tools) to clean it.  |
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Posted: 4/26/2017 12:12:40 PM EDT
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I guess you should do a little more research next time on known issues?
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Posted: 4/26/2017 12:20:35 PM EDT
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I had a very similar reaction when I first got my osprey45. Now after using it, I really like it. It does block the sights still on most pistols, but I don't I know of a good suppressor that doesn't. There's room for experimentation there in the suppressor world.
When I buy new guns now, one of the criteria is that it has suppressor ready features--threaded barrels and taller sights. I don't understand why so many gun companies still put out silencer- ready models with standard height sights. |
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Posted: 4/26/2017 12:33:01 PM EDT
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Most of the time, the top of the sights are at least dead even with the top of the Osprey which may not be ideal, but still better than being buried under the top of the can.
HK45C clears a light no problem with an Osprey. |
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Posted: 4/26/2017 12:33:45 PM EDT
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I don't know if anyone mentioned it, but you should have done some research. These are known "issues" if you can even call them that.
The tallest suppressor sights I could find won't clear my Octane on a Glock 17. They will clear your Osprey. Don't expect basic factory sights to clear. I believe a Surefire light will clear the Osprey on your gun, but double check before you buy one to be sure. The solutions to your problem already exist, but you're blaming one aftermarket part for not working with another aftermarket part instead of doing your homework. That's like putting a supercharger on your car and being mad that you need a new hood to clear it. |
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Posted: 4/26/2017 12:34:02 PM EDT
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Really poor choice of a title...
I like all three of my Ospreys. |
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Posted: 4/26/2017 12:34:28 PM EDT
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This will fix your problems. AAC Illusion Plus you can take it apart (no tools) to clean it. I'm Thrilled with my AAC purchases (TiRant45/M42K/762sdn6/prodigy).. |
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Posted: 4/26/2017 12:42:51 PM EDT
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THIS.. you also forgot the "This TV sucks because it won't fit in my cabinet" criticism. OP, the problem you're running into is an issue with the G19 using ANY (?) suppressor.. NOT a problem with ALL suppressors or any specific suppressor.. Bottom line is that you chose poorly, NEVER buy a suppressor you're unfamiliar with. AND when I say familiar with, you should take it's host weapon TO THE STORE and fit it to the suppressor in the configuration you plan on using in order to determine it's the right suppressor for your rig. I guess I am not the only one that does something before doing all my research.
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Posted: 4/26/2017 12:43:47 PM EDT
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I have an Osprey 45 I use primarily on a SIG P228, a SIG P220, and recently on a PSA AR-9 that I SBR'ed.
My research prior to buying the Osprey informed me that the Osprey would still obstruct my standard height sights, but to a lesser extent than other cans. This DOES help me shoot with the Osprey as less of my target is obstructed. I bought it anyway because I like the looks, SilencerCo has great customer service, and the shape of the Osprey makes it obvious if it needs to be tightened down. NFA purchases need to be intensively researched because of the expense and wait time. Sorry you're disappointed. Two thoughts for you: mount the Osprey on a pistol-caliber carbine, or acquire a rail-mounted laser for your handgun. |
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Posted: 4/26/2017 12:50:05 PM EDT
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Not to be a jerk, but it clearly says "17" on the side. I guess I am not the only one that does something before doing all my research. well, I guess I'm glad that my mistake didn't cost me $800 like yours cost you.. |
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Posted: 4/26/2017 12:55:10 PM EDT
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I lusted after the Osprey myself but I was concerned about lights as well. I figured it would still need something for the sights. Between those concerns and it's odd duck appearance on other guns I went with the Octane instead. I also like that I can take the octane apart for cleaning.
I do still think the Osprey is a great can, just know what you're getting. |
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Posted: 4/26/2017 1:11:05 PM EDT
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Did you not research the Osprey at all?
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Posted: 4/26/2017 1:16:12 PM EDT
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NFA purchases need to be intensively researched because of the expense and wait time. Sorry you're disappointed. Two thoughts for you: mount the Osprey on a pistol-caliber carbine, or acquire a rail-mounted laser for your handgun. "The Osprey uses a patented cam locking system to index so that the flat sight plane can be lined up below the shooter’s line of sight, thereby avoiding blocking most standard pistol sights." But they forgot to mention "most (except for the brand of pistols with the largest market share)". SiCo has always has a good reputation so why not take their word for it. Well I consider this a good learning experience. It wasn't the first time I've made a purchasing mistake with something gun related, it's just a lot more difficult to recover from. When I've bought a gun I didn't like or stop liking a gun after a few years I could alway resell it and take a $100-200 hit. I suppose I could resell this, but the hit |
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Posted: 4/26/2017 1:22:54 PM EDT
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Did you not research the Osprey at all? |
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Posted: 4/26/2017 1:40:37 PM EDT
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I did watch some you tube videos but now that I think of it, no one was using a Glock 17 nor did anyone point out anything about sights. Also, almost no one is going to do a silencer review with a light. |
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Posted: 4/26/2017 1:45:47 PM EDT
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Since this is a technical forum, I'll simply say you should have done your homework. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Since this is a technical forum, I'll simply say you should have done your homework. It seems not 2013, not like he's an early adopter Quoted:
What really sucks is that we are stuck (for now anyway) with a system where after spending a large sum of $ and waiting months and months, your pretty much stuck with it. Regardless if you did or didn't do your homework, still a crappy position to be in. Buy a TV and hate it, bring it back. Buy a pistol and hate it, no worries. Might take a small hit but you can resell with ease. But a suppressor and hate it...oh freakin well. |
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Posted: 4/26/2017 2:02:06 PM EDT
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Yea, poopoo on me for not doing enough research. SiCo's page in the product says this - "The Osprey uses a patented cam locking system to index so that the flat sight plane can be lined up below the shooter’s line of sight, thereby avoiding blocking most standard pistol sights." But they forgot to mention "most (except for the brand of pistols with the largest market share)". SiCo has always has a good reputation so why not take their word for it. Well I consider this a good learning experience. It wasn't the first time I've made a purchasing mistake with something gun related, it's just a lot more difficult to recover from. When I've bought a gun I didn't like or stop liking a gun after a few years I could alway resell it and take a $100-200 hit. I suppose I could resell this, but the hit Quote HistoryQuoted:
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NFA purchases need to be intensively researched because of the expense and wait time. Sorry you're disappointed. Two thoughts for you: mount the Osprey on a pistol-caliber carbine, or acquire a rail-mounted laser for your handgun. "The Osprey uses a patented cam locking system to index so that the flat sight plane can be lined up below the shooter’s line of sight, thereby avoiding blocking most standard pistol sights." But they forgot to mention "most (except for the brand of pistols with the largest market share)". SiCo has always has a good reputation so why not take their word for it. Well I consider this a good learning experience. It wasn't the first time I've made a purchasing mistake with something gun related, it's just a lot more difficult to recover from. When I've bought a gun I didn't like or stop liking a gun after a few years I could alway resell it and take a $100-200 hit. I suppose I could resell this, but the hit But seriously, if you had looked at ONE picture of a Glock 17 with an Osprey, you would see that factory sights don't clear it. This is not news to anyone. |
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Posted: 4/26/2017 2:26:41 PM EDT
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This will fix your problems. AAC Illusion Plus you can take it apart (no tools) to clean it. An ad directly comparing the Illusion to the Osprey would help you sell more of them. Show the sight picture of the two cans on a stock G17, M&P, and P320. Show a disassembled Illusion ready for cleaning. |
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Posted: 4/26/2017 2:46:44 PM EDT
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Pictures!
This is my buddy's osprey 45 on my 9mm Glock; I'm not a huge fan. It flat out didn't run on my G19 
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Posted: 4/26/2017 3:14:58 PM EDT
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OP needs to buy an ALG 6 second mount
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Posted: 4/26/2017 4:20:42 PM EDT
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 Attached FileTRL1 on my VP9. OP, sorry that can didn't work out the way you wanted it to. However, for a few bucks, you can solve these problems. Suppressor hight sights and an Inforce light will get you on the path. |
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Posted: 4/26/2017 4:31:40 PM EDT
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OP needs to buy an ALG 6 second mount Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/40036/image-195839.JPG TRL1 on my VP9. OP, sorry that can didn't work out the way you wanted it to. However, for a few bucks, you can solve these problems. Suppressor hight sights and an Inforce light will get you on the path.
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Posted: 4/26/2017 5:23:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOr just buy a VP9 I don't regret my Osprey purchase at all, especially not for $499. |
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