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Posted: 2/14/2017 4:03:23 PM EDT
Was shooting my 9mm SBR with my Liberty Mystic last Friday. Got home and when I pulled the can out of the case, bits of metal started falling out.
I was shooting steel and some USPSA targets with it. Had one round look like it was starting to yawl at the target, but did not notice it until the end. I have shot a ton of 300blk and 9mm through this can with no issues. No other strikes on baffles no indication of even rubs or kisses on the other baffles. It's on it way back to Liberty. They sent me a RMA number and form to fill out. The guys at Liberty are really great to talk to. Sucks, this is my favorite can that I use alot for either 9mm or 300blk...mostly on 300blk. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 4:16:41 PM EDT
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That sucks. What kind of mounting system were you using? 3-lug, fixed mount or piston/spacer?
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Posted: 2/14/2017 4:25:21 PM EDT
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That sucks. What kind of mounting system were you using? 3-lug, fixed mount or piston/spacer? Liberty 3 lug on the can and a Griffin 3 lug on the barrel. Never had an issue with either Griffin mount I have. 1 on the 9mm SBR and one on the 300 SBR. I bet I have launched at least 2000 300 subs through the can and about same amount in 9mm. The Griffin mounts are tight and show nothing that would make me suspect it. The only thing that I can think happened was a bullet destabilized and smashed into the baffle. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 5:06:21 PM EDT
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I'm always amazed that a single baffle in the middle can get nicked. As a fellow Mystic X owner I hope Liberty takes good care of you.
I did notice when shooting my 9mm SBR with 3 lug that the adapter can loosen from the can itself requiring occasional tightening. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 5:12:07 PM EDT
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Damn that's weird.
Just went to check my Mystic to make sure everything was okay. No strikes. Love that suppressor. Damn, that's weird. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 5:29:40 PM EDT
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I got an endcap strike on my Mysitc X first time taking it out using the Liberty 3 lug adapter on an HK Parts 3 lug mount. Liberty took care of it and sent back a new apadter after replacing the core. Just FYI your replacement core will not have an o-ring on the distal end anymore, they stopped doing that and said the ring isn't needed.
The expreince turned me off of 3 lugs. Too much play for me. Now I used the mystic as a direct thread can and have a Hybrid with ASR mount on my 9mm SBR. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 5:30:35 PM EDT
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Dumb question: how does a bullet "destabilize and smash into a baffle" mid stack? It hits the baffle, richochetes off and magically doesn't overcorrect and tumble into other baffles/end cap?
Secondly: was it liberty that was giving people shit for 3rd party mounts? |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 5:44:03 PM EDT
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Liberty told me specifically the HK Parts mount is the one they reccomend.
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Posted: 2/14/2017 6:21:26 PM EDT
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Dumb question: how does a bullet "destabilize and smash into a baffle" mid stack? It hits the baffle, richochetes off and magically doesn't overcorrect and tumble into other baffles/end cap? Secondly: was it liberty that was giving people shit for 3rd party mounts? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Dumb question: how does a bullet "destabilize and smash into a baffle" mid stack? It hits the baffle, richochetes off and magically doesn't overcorrect and tumble into other baffles/end cap? Secondly: was it liberty that was giving people shit for 3rd party mounts? I have no ideal how it happened, but it did. I spent 30 minutes with magnifying googles and a fiber optic cam looking over the stack and other than the one that was hit, the rest show no sign of impact. I don't know anything about Liberty saying anything about other mounts. Quoted:
Liberty told me specifically the HK Parts mount is the one they reccomend. When I was waiting on my stamp for my 300blk I called them to ask them if they thought there was any issues with their 3 lug mount and the Griffin. They told me not that they were aware of. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 6:35:26 PM EDT
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Was the 3-lug mount tight against the suppressor body? Mine seems to loosen fairly often during shooting.
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Posted: 2/14/2017 7:02:40 PM EDT
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Keyholing? You using boat tail bullets?
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Posted: 2/14/2017 7:34:31 PM EDT
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Was the 3-lug mount tight against the suppressor body? Mine seems to loosen fairly often during shooting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Was the 3-lug mount tight against the suppressor body? Mine seems to loosen fairly often during shooting. Well..I actually use a CAR castle nut wrench to tighten it. I have never had it shoot loose and I check it while shooting. The holes on the collar, next to the suppressor, are the perfect size for the CAR wrench. Quoted:
Keyholing? You using boat tail bullets? I was not shooting the 300blk SBR, I was shooting the 9mm SBR, using 147gr jacketed FMJ. No keyholing or signs of tumbling, with the exception of the one that looked like it was starting to tumble, when we where looking at the targets before we took them down. |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 10:54:31 AM EDT
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Lots of weird stuff happens inside the silencer... Baffle design and ammunition sometimes do not play nice together. And sometimes you just get a bad round. It happens.
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Posted: 2/15/2017 10:59:53 AM EDT
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Lots of weird stuff happens inside the silencer... Baffle design and ammunition sometimes do not play nice together. And sometimes you just get a bad round. It happens. This is what I think happened. |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 11:08:34 AM EDT
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As an owner of a few monocores (No Liberty) do they replace the whole core orncsn you cut and weld and whatnot?
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Posted: 2/15/2017 11:27:04 AM EDT
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As an owner of a few monocores (No Liberty) do they replace the whole core orncsn you cut and weld and whatnot? I imagine the entire core is replaced vs spending the time/labor on fixing one and trying to make sure its straight. |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 2:42:27 PM EDT
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My buddy has had two. Both times shooting a Glock with Surefire barrel.
First time was with 147gr GD 2s. Sent back to Liberty, they performed the Mystic Upgrade. Last time it was 147gr FMJ out of same gun. He did multiple tests with many varieties of 147, no signs of unstable bullets. He sent it back with the barrel. No idea if they found out the reason. |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 3:08:25 PM EDT
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I just received the mystic X 3 lug adapter before my mystic arrives. Now I'm nervous. went with the ILWT adapter that has the screw on cap.
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Posted: 2/16/2017 3:37:04 PM EDT
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It's at Liberty right now, so now I wait for them to look it over.
I may, while it's there, do the X upgrade. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 6:21:57 PM EDT
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It's at Liberty right now, so now I wait for them to look it over. I may, while it's there, do the X upgrade. Might as well. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 6:41:55 PM EDT
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I just received the mystic X 3 lug adapter before my mystic arrives. Now I'm nervous. went with the ILWT adapter that has the screw on cap. I wouldn't sweat it. Just keep an eye on the mount coming loose from the suppressor itself. This probably isn't helped by me doing mag dumps. 
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Posted: 2/16/2017 7:35:05 PM EDT
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I wouldn't sweat it. Just keep an eye on the mount coming loose from the suppressor itself. This probably isn't helped by me doing mag dumps. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I just received the mystic X 3 lug adapter before my mystic arrives. Now I'm nervous. went with the ILWT adapter that has the screw on cap. I wouldn't sweat it. Just keep an eye on the mount coming loose from the suppressor itself. This probably isn't helped by me doing mag dumps. I agree...don't sweat it. I'm 99.9% sure that the 3 lug is not the problem. |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 2:25:14 PM EDT
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Double tap
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Posted: 2/17/2017 2:26:25 PM EDT
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Well, after talking to Liberty this morning I have decided instead of repairing I'm going to upgrade the Mystic to the Mystic X. The reason I decided for the upgrade is that they are at this moment finalizing testing on other calibers and will be releasing a revised list of approved calibers for the Mystic X, including Super Sonic 308.
They have tested the Mystic x on a 16-inch Remington SPS Tactical which happens to be the very same rifle that I have. I should be getting the upgraded Mystic back on the first week of March. |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 2:31:36 PM EDT
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Care to share what the cost was going to be if you didn't choose to upgrade to the X? I have a Mystic X and am curious about the cost for when I bust a baffle.
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Posted: 2/17/2017 2:39:38 PM EDT
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Well, after talking to Liberty this morning I have decided instead of repairing I'm going to upgrade the Mystic to the Mystic X. The reason I decided for the upgrade is that they are at this moment finalizing testing on other calibers and will be releasing a revised list of approved calibers for the Mystic X, including Super Sonic 308. They have tested the Mystic x on a 16-inch Remington SPS Tactical which happens to be the very same rifle that I have. I should be getting the upgraded Mystic back on the first week of March. 
Same price or any discount on the upgrade if you don't mind me asking |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 3:06:26 PM EDT
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Same price or any discount on the upgrade if you don't mind me asking Quote HistoryQuoted:
Same price or any discount on the upgrade if you don't mind me asking Same price....basically I'm getting a newer, upgraded can without a 8 month to a year wait. Quoted:
Care to share what the cost was going to be if you didn't choose to upgrade to the X? I have a Mystic X and am curious about the cost for when I bust a baffle. I never asked. I asked what makes the X a better can and when he told me that the caliber list was increased to 52 and that super sonic 308 is one of them, that sold me on the upgrade. |
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Posted: 2/19/2017 11:25:10 AM EDT
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Same price....basically I'm getting a newer, upgraded can without a 8 month to a year wait. I never asked. I asked what makes the X a better can and when he told me that the caliber list was increased to 52 and that super sonic 308 is one of them, that sold me on the upgrade. THAT would be nice. I'd pay for that upgrade. Would be a nice can for the upcoming 358 Yeti project. |
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Posted: 2/19/2017 7:04:10 PM EDT
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THAT would be nice. I'd pay for that upgrade. Would be a nice can for the upcoming 358 Yeti project. I'm looking forward to getting it back. Now if I could get someone to take my jail broken AAC Eco-9 can and replace the aluminum baffles with something more robust. I cannot get Stalking Rhino to reply to any emails, they are the ones that jailbroke the can. |
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Posted: 2/19/2017 7:11:21 PM EDT
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I'm looking forward to getting it back. Now if I could get someone to take my jail broken AAC Eco-9 can and replace the aluminum baffles with something more robust. I cannot get Stalking Rhino to reply to any emails, they are the ones that jailbroke the can. Curtis tactical |
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Posted: 2/19/2017 7:22:10 PM EDT
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Curtis tactical Thank you! |
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Posted: 2/19/2017 8:53:04 PM EDT
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Thank you! Full discourse, no personal experience but others have said positive things on here about them |
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Posted: 2/19/2017 10:19:38 PM EDT
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Full discourse, no personal experience but others have said positive things on here about them I appreciate that. I looked them up and it seems they have a positive rep. I will reach out to them. I wanted to use SR, who jail broke the can, but I guess since he's busy doing SWR parts, he's not interested in it. |
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Posted: 2/19/2017 10:58:01 PM EDT
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Curtis tactical I think I'm going to send him my Liberty Regulator for a recore. It's a great can but the monocore baffle is a bitch to take out of the tube after shooting. I love my Mystic X too but it doesn't get stuck as bad as the dedicated rimfire cans. |
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Posted: 2/19/2017 11:00:26 PM EDT
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I have had two cans recored by Joe.
Great job, quick turn around. |
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Posted: 2/19/2017 11:25:40 PM EDT
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I have had two cans recored by Joe. Great job, quick turn around. Joe has also done a can for me. Great guy and great suppressors. |
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Posted: 2/21/2017 6:34:18 AM EDT
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Was shooting my 9mm SBR with my Liberty Mystic last Friday. Got home and when I pulled the can out of the case, bits of metal started falling out. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/9749/20170210-144828-146684.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/9749/20170210-143851-146683.jpg I was shooting steel and some USPSA targets with it. Had one round look like it was starting to yawl at the target, but did not notice it until the end. I have shot a ton of 300blk and 9mm through this can with no issues. No other strikes on baffles no indication of even rubs or kisses on the other baffles. It's on it way back to Liberty. They sent me a RMA number and form to fill out. The guys at Liberty are really great to talk to. Sucks, this is my favorite can that I use alot for either 9mm or 300blk...mostly on 300blk. Just curious , do you use a rod to check alignment? I know there's a tiny bit you can be off but seems like the more close to perfect the better |
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Posted: 2/21/2017 1:17:31 PM EDT
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I own a mystic-x as well, and I just got my first baffle strike last week. Host was a glock 17 with a silencerco barrel, and 147gr freedom munitions.
Basically, the fourth baffle from the end got hit HARD. The majority of it was bent all the way over.. some of the mangled metal was actually sticking up into the center of the can... needless to say, I am VERY happy I didn't do any follow up shots! The weirdest thing is that I didn't find any bits in the suppressor, so the bullet must have bounced off and out. I grabbed a steel punch, and hammered the metal out of the way, so that the suppressor was clear of obstruction. I did a test fire, and it sounded exactly the same! I still have no idea what caused the strike. Perhaps the suppressor came loose, but I check tightness after each mag. Moral of the story... don't take them too seriously! By all means, check your mounts, but sometimes they are unavoidable. Baffle strikes build character
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Posted: 2/21/2017 2:24:18 PM EDT
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Just curious , do you use a rod to check alignment? I know there's a tiny bit you can be off but seems like the more close to perfect the better Yea I checked it. It's not off. |
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Posted: 2/21/2017 3:05:00 PM EDT
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I own a mystic-x as well, and I just got my first baffle strike last week. Host was a glock 17 with a silencerco barrel, and 147gr freedom munitions. Basically, the fourth baffle from the end got hit HARD. The majority of it was bent all the way over.. some of the mangled metal was actually sticking up into the center of the can... needless to say, I am VERY happy I didn't do any follow up shots! The weirdest thing is that I didn't find any bits in the suppressor, so the bullet must have bounced off and out. I grabbed a steel punch, and hammered the metal out of the way, so that the suppressor was clear of obstruction. I did a test fire, and it sounded exactly the same! I still have no idea what caused the strike. Perhaps the suppressor came loose, but I check tightness after each mag. Moral of the story... don't take them too seriously! By all means, check your mounts, but sometimes they are unavoidable. Baffle strikes build character That's the exact set up my buddy has, and the exact same baffle that was hit 
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Posted: 2/21/2017 7:49:41 PM EDT
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That's the exact set up my buddy has, and the exact same baffle that was hit umm.... well that's spooky. I'll see if I can post some pics later. I'm hoping it wasn't the freedom munitions that caused it, because I really like their 147gr ammo. It's a tad underloaded which makes for quieter (read: no ear-ringing) shooting. |
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Posted: 3/15/2017 10:20:55 PM EDT
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UPDATE: Got the Mystic back today. The X baffle core is much beefier. It has more metal, thicker baffles and more reinforcing.
The new locking ring is smaller in profile and the wave lock end cap is really nice. Looking on Liberty's Facebook page, they are still testing the X with .308 and it seems to be progressing quite well. I'll get some pics of the X tomorrow and post them. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 6:02:58 PM EDT
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UPDATE: Got the Mystic back today. The X baffle core is much beefier. It has more metal, thicker baffles and more reinforcing. The new locking ring is smaller in profile and the wave lock end cap is really nice. Looking on Liberty's Facebook page, they are still testing the X with .308 and it seems to be progressing quite well. I'll get some pics of the X tomorrow and post them. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 6:31:21 PM EDT
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I don't Facebook. Can you clarify the 308 testing? Are they testing super sonic 308? Is this a new/upgraded X core or standard X core they are testing? |
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Posted: 3/19/2017 1:23:30 AM EDT
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Glad I wandered into this thread since I was looking for range reports of the Mystic X.
Seems like a lot of happy folks and a solid company to deal with. Not sure when I'll get to it, but I think it would fit my needs pretty well as I don't really see myself buying multiple cans. One that can handle the usual suspect calibers would probably be enough for me to enjoy myself and equip a nightstand gun. |
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Posted: 3/21/2017 8:53:40 AM EDT
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Am I glad I did the X baffle upgrade. Got this in the inbox this morning from Liberty-
The Mystic X has been one of our best selling cans to date, and being rated for 52 different calibers, it's easy to see why. From 17HMR up to 9mm, it is one of the most versatile silencers on the market. That being said, when someone is looking for a true, multi-caliber silencer, moving up to the .308 and above cartridges has always necessitated moving to a two suppressor solution. Well, we are proud to anounce that this is no longer the case . . .
The Mystic X is now rated all the way up to 300 Win Mag! With the use of our standard Stainless Steel Fixed Barrel Adapter, cartridges like .243, .270, 30-06, .308 and even 6.5 Creedmoor are all well within the range for the Mystic X. We've been working on this upgrade for a while now, so Mystix X's with a serial number of MX2600 and above already have the new baffle design! If you have a serial number lower than MX2600, we will be offering an upgrade program so stay tuned. Thank you to all of our loyal customers and fans of the Mystic X. You've helped make this one of the best silencers on the market for the first time suppressor buyer to the most seasoned stamp collector. And remember, get your order in today to have your new or upgraded Mystic X in time for hunting season! |
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Posted: 3/21/2017 10:30:07 AM EDT
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Am I glad I did the X baffle upgrade. Got this in the inbox this morning from Liberty- |
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Posted: 3/21/2017 10:33:41 AM EDT
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That's impressive. My Mystic X was my first can and has served me very well as a "do all." I'll have to see what my SN# is and look into this upgrade. |
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Posted: 3/21/2017 10:43:28 AM EDT
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OP-
What type of ammo? manufacturer, bullet type? Another poster mentioned Freedom Manufacturing, which IMHO, was GREAT ammo a couple of years back, however last year+ they seemed to have fucked that all up, and now, I avoid them like the plague. The only thing I can think of is a bullet that was shaved as it was pressed into the case, or possibly an excess of material on the base? In regards to the repair- I'm under the impression they stamped your S/N on a new, upgraded tube AND replaced the stack? Is that right? Am I incorrect thinking that the S/N is not transferrable to a new tube, and, that there needed to be ATF paperwork submitted and approved before that happened. From your timeline, it looks like the turn around was 3 weeks, and the .gov doesn't move at that speed....so, school me? |
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Posted: 3/21/2017 10:57:41 AM EDT
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OP- What type of ammo? manufacturer, bullet type? Another poster mentioned Freedom Manufacturing, which IMHO, was GREAT ammo a couple of years back, however last year+ they seemed to have fucked that all up, and now, I avoid them like the plague. The only thing I can think of is a bullet that was shaved as it was pressed into the case, or possibly an excess of material on the base? In regards to the repair- I'm under the impression they stamped your S/N on a new, upgraded tube AND replaced the stack? Is that right? Am I incorrect thinking that the S/N is not transferrable to a new tube, and, that there needed to be ATF paperwork submitted and approved before that happened. From your timeline, it looks like the turn around was 3 weeks, and the .gov doesn't move at that speed....so, school me? |
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Posted: 3/21/2017 11:12:17 AM EDT
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Curtis tactical His shop burned down a year or so ago, he was a long time getting back in business. Now he website says "Because of the recent decline in suppressor sales as well as firearm sales in general we will temporarily not be accepting any new orders. We have had to pursue other avenues for income for the time being which doesn't leave any room for new suppressor or rifle orders. We appreciate all of our customers and hope that this is a temporary thing and that we will resume business when the market comes back." |
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