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Posted: 10/2/2016 11:11:48 PM EDT
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I rarely shoot anything unsuppressed anymore... even pistols. I do still shoot pistols unsuppressed, but just the ones that I don't have a TB for or my carry pistols. I'm always glad to get back to shooting suppressed though.
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Posted: 10/3/2016 12:25:55 AM EDT
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Suppressors on handguns defeat the purpose of a handgun. Keep it on your pcc
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Posted: 10/3/2016 1:29:06 PM EDT
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Suppressed pistols lack any real, practical use for me.
That said I really enjoy shooting them, shooting my threaded R1 is a lot of fun and it gets pulled out of the safe for the range bag most of the time. 
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Posted: 10/3/2016 1:34:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Suppressors on handguns defeat the purpose of a handgun. Keep it on your pcc |
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Posted: 10/3/2016 1:44:41 PM EDT
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Suppressors on handguns defeat the purpose of a handgun. Keep it on your pcc Small quick and concealable For me, their purpose is also: collecting, shooting enjoyment, etc |
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Posted: 10/3/2016 1:45:03 PM EDT
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This thread made me go shoot my suppressed 1911 again yesterday.
Its just hard to shoot it as well suppressed as I can unsuppressed which is frustrating. Im sure its mostly due to not being able to see the sights or being able to align them as correctly along with the POI shift. But I had several shots where I seemed to do everything perfectly and still miss reduced IPSC style steel at 50 leaving with me a  face.
Maybe Im wanting too much out of it. I do love slinging .45 ACP quietly however. That still makes it fun and interesting. Just hard to hit exactly where I want to hit at 
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Posted: 10/3/2016 1:47:34 PM EDT
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This thread made me go shoot my suppressed 1911 again yesterday. Its just hard to shoot it as well suppressed as I can unsuppressed which is frustrating. Im sure its mostly due to not being able to see the sights or being able to align them as correctly along with the POI shift. But I had several shots where I seemed to do everything perfectly and still miss reduced IPSC style steel at 50 leaving with me a face.
Maybe Im wanting too much out of it. Like MARSOC, you should give the G19 a try. 
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Posted: 10/3/2016 1:49:26 PM EDT
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Like MARSOC, you should give the G19 a try. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This thread made me go shoot my suppressed 1911 again yesterday. Its just hard to shoot it as well suppressed as I can unsuppressed which is frustrating. Im sure its mostly due to not being able to see the sights or being able to align them as correctly along with the POI shift. But I had several shots where I seemed to do everything perfectly and still miss reduced IPSC style steel at 50 leaving with me a face.
Maybe Im wanting too much out of it. Like MARSOC, you should give the G19 a try. 
I did consider suppressing my BHP until I priced barrels
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Posted: 10/3/2016 3:33:32 PM EDT
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Suppressors on handguns defeat the purpose of a handgun. Keep it on your pcc Small quick and concealable For me, their purpose is also: collecting, shooting enjoyment, etc Omega 9k covers all those bases. |
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Posted: 10/3/2016 9:38:47 PM EDT
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I"m the opposite - if I'm shooting a pistol that's threaded, I'm taking a can out with it.
Turns 9mm and 45's into .22's. Quiet, no blast, reduced recoil. So I shoot them better than without. For the sights, I either have high sights, or put a laser on it. Tough to beat the smile factor of my Glock 17L with a can and a laser sight, mowing down plates. For POI shift, on the Ti-Rant series, you can pull on the can and re-index it, which will change the POI, if it's shooting not in line with the sights. On the Glocks I've not had to fool with this, but did on the S&W M&P Core, and got it lined up after about 2 clicks. |
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Posted: 10/3/2016 11:06:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Small quick and concealable For me, their purpose is also: collecting, shooting enjoyment, etc Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Suppressors on handguns defeat the purpose of a handgun. Keep it on your pcc Small quick and concealable For me, their purpose is also: collecting, shooting enjoyment, etc A suppressed handgun is all those things compared to a suppressed rifle |
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Posted: 10/4/2016 10:20:20 AM EDT
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It's all about being those things in a size proportional to other guns when suppressed. A suppressed handgun is all those things compared to a suppressed rifle Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Suppressors on handguns defeat the purpose of a handgun. Keep it on your pcc Small quick and concealable For me, their purpose is also: collecting, shooting enjoyment, etc A suppressed handgun is all those things compared to a suppressed rifle I've read that in this thread and elsewhere a few times in comparing pistols vs PCCs in a HD environment. I did an experiment and found that when I have my pistol (P226) fully extended in an iso stance, the end of the barrel is slightly further out than the end of the suppressor on my PCC (9mm AR w/3.5" barrel, 3-lug, and Obsidian -- 27" OAL with stock collapsed). Throw a can on the end of the pistol and it's way way longer. In my environment I have to give the edge to the PCC for the right balance between maneuverability vs. the ability to make accurate snap shots. The PCC also has an advantage in terms of retention (my hands are at each end of the PCC -- how much control would you have after someone grabs your pistol can and uses it like a huge lever?). Firing a pistol from retention position is not nearly as accurate as the PCC is even though OAL becomes roughly equivalent. Advantage PCC there as well. |
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Posted: 10/4/2016 9:07:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've read that in this thread and elsewhere a few times in comparing pistols vs PCCs in a HD environment. I did an experiment and found that when I have my pistol (P226) fully extended in an iso stance, the end of the barrel is slightly further out than the end of the suppressor on my PCC (9mm AR w/3.5" barrel, 3-lug, and Obsidian -- 27" OAL with stock collapsed). Throw a can on the end of the pistol and it's way way longer. In my environment I have to give the edge to the PCC for the right balance between maneuverability vs. the ability to make accurate snap shots. The PCC also has an advantage in terms of retention (my hands are at each end of the PCC -- how much control would you have after someone grabs your pistol can and uses it like a huge lever?). Firing a pistol from retention position is not nearly as accurate as the PCC is even though OAL becomes roughly equivalent. Advantage PCC there as well. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Suppressors on handguns defeat the purpose of a handgun. Keep it on your pcc Small quick and concealable For me, their purpose is also: collecting, shooting enjoyment, etc A suppressed handgun is all those things compared to a suppressed rifle I've read that in this thread and elsewhere a few times in comparing pistols vs PCCs in a HD environment. I did an experiment and found that when I have my pistol (P226) fully extended in an iso stance, the end of the barrel is slightly further out than the end of the suppressor on my PCC (9mm AR w/3.5" barrel, 3-lug, and Obsidian -- 27" OAL with stock collapsed). Throw a can on the end of the pistol and it's way way longer. In my environment I have to give the edge to the PCC for the right balance between maneuverability vs. the ability to make accurate snap shots. The PCC also has an advantage in terms of retention (my hands are at each end of the PCC -- how much control would you have after someone grabs your pistol can and uses it like a huge lever?). Firing a pistol from retention position is not nearly as accurate as the PCC is even though OAL becomes roughly equivalent. Advantage PCC there as well. If someone grabs my gun I shoot them. This is regardless of the type of gun. I'm not getting into a game of leverage and strength with a stranger. If I'm firing from retention, I'm not concerned about distance accuracy. Sometimes a pistol is better. Different tools. I take the can off my pistol, I can carry it easily. If I want a can, I attach it. Note again-- I have both. |
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Posted: 10/4/2016 9:43:27 PM EDT
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When a turd grabs your suppressed (or unsuppressed) pistol, you only get to shoot them if they are dumb enough to be in front of the muzzle.
Edit: i guess with a suppressed pistol, and enough magazine capacity ( and if your sticking all that length on your pistol, no reason for it to be a compact, lower capacity model) you could fire all but a couple of rounds and heat up I the suppressor so the turd lets go and then shoot him! |
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Posted: 10/5/2016 1:18:39 AM EDT
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I've read that in this thread and elsewhere a few times in comparing pistols vs PCCs in a HD environment. I did an experiment and found that when I have my pistol (P226) fully extended in an iso stance, the end of the barrel is slightly further out than the end of the suppressor on my PCC (9mm AR w/3.5" barrel, 3-lug, and Obsidian -- 27" OAL with stock collapsed). Throw a can on the end of the pistol and it's way way longer. In my environment I have to give the edge to the PCC for the right balance between maneuverability vs. the ability to make accurate snap shots. The PCC also has an advantage in terms of retention (my hands are at each end of the PCC -- how much control would you have after someone grabs your pistol can and uses it like a huge lever?). Firing a pistol from retention position is not nearly as accurate as the PCC is even though OAL becomes roughly equivalent. Advantage PCC there as well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Suppressors on handguns defeat the purpose of a handgun. Keep it on your pcc Small quick and concealable For me, their purpose is also: collecting, shooting enjoyment, etc A suppressed handgun is all those things compared to a suppressed rifle I've read that in this thread and elsewhere a few times in comparing pistols vs PCCs in a HD environment. I did an experiment and found that when I have my pistol (P226) fully extended in an iso stance, the end of the barrel is slightly further out than the end of the suppressor on my PCC (9mm AR w/3.5" barrel, 3-lug, and Obsidian -- 27" OAL with stock collapsed). Throw a can on the end of the pistol and it's way way longer. In my environment I have to give the edge to the PCC for the right balance between maneuverability vs. the ability to make accurate snap shots. The PCC also has an advantage in terms of retention (my hands are at each end of the PCC -- how much control would you have after someone grabs your pistol can and uses it like a huge lever?). Firing a pistol from retention position is not nearly as accurate as the PCC is even though OAL becomes roughly equivalent. Advantage PCC there as well. Very well said. I like my handguns, but I would take my suppressed SBR PCC any day over the handgun. |
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Posted: 10/5/2016 1:52:21 AM EDT
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Mine only gets used at the shooting range and sitting at home in case its needed for defensive purposes.
But... lets be honest... unless we are hunting or work in a field the requires us to be armed, 99% of our other firearms only get used at the shooting range too. |
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Posted: 10/5/2016 9:11:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Very well said. I like my handguns, but I would take my suppressed SBR PCC any day over the handgun.  Rifle > Pistol, but that doesn't mean throw the pistol out with the bathwater! |
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Posted: 10/5/2016 1:08:36 PM EDT
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Why can't it be "get both"?
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Very well said. I like my handguns, but I would take my suppressed SBR PCC any day over the handgun.
Rifle > Pistol, but that doesn't mean throw the pistol out with the bathwater! Very good point. I guess I should also mention that I still have a suppressed handgun and I would still feel ok if that was beside my bed. |
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Posted: 10/6/2016 1:38:55 AM EDT
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I shoot my suppressed handguns more often
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