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Posted: 9/16/2016 2:43:35 PM EDT
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5.56 cans can get stupidly hot, really quickly. Do you, by chance, happen to have a RR, LL or DIAS? Do you like to pretend you do? If so, you are not really the target audience for suppressor cover makers.
5.56 through a .30 can might not be as bad because of the larger volume...??
But in general, I see them more as a mirage-buster for a long range, larger caliber gun. If you find one that doesn't melt, catch on fire, or get hot enough on the outside to sear flesh when run hard on an AR, please share. |
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Posted: 9/16/2016 3:18:17 PM EDT
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Is there a point to a cover on can that rides a 5.56mm SBR?
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Posted: 9/16/2016 3:34:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there a point to a cover on can that rides a 5.56mm SBR? It can offer limited protection against instantaneous burns when you accidentally touch the can during/after shooting. |
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Posted: 9/16/2016 3:46:55 PM EDT
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It can offer limited protection against instantaneous burns when you accidentally touch the can during/after shooting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is there a point to a cover on can that rides a 5.56mm SBR? It can offer limited protection against instantaneous burns when you accidentally touch the can during/after shooting. This was my thought in addition to being able to handle it a little more quickly to change it to another host instead of bringing an oven mitt with you to the range. |
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Posted: 9/16/2016 3:57:16 PM EDT
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I was going to look into covers myself. I was handling the rifle and managed to tag myself with a hot suppressor which caused me to drop the front end on a plastic bag on the bench. It instantly melted and wrapped around the suppressor. Luckily with a little scraping it came off.
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Posted: 9/16/2016 4:18:27 PM EDT
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I have a Manta sleeve for my YHM Phantom 556.
It's a bit goofy-looking, but if it prevents me from burning myself or melting anything I may lean my rifle against, that's a small price to pay. |
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Posted: 9/16/2016 4:20:45 PM EDT
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Check out Bowers Group, $25-$35. Work great
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Posted: 9/16/2016 5:31:48 PM EDT
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I got a HAD cover for my SakerK on my 12.5. Lit the sucker on fire after 3 mag dumps.
I wouldn't recommend it. |
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Posted: 9/16/2016 6:01:02 PM EDT
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I have a Manta sleeve for my YHM Phantom 556.  https://youtu.be/-tJ7heDIqXU
https://youtu.be/NAbfoMAKlx4
It's a bit goofy-looking, but if it prevents me from burning myself or melting anything I may lean my rifle against, that's a small price to pay. I'll say that's pretty cool, also can double as a stress ball! 
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Posted: 9/16/2016 7:06:05 PM EDT
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I got a HAD cover for my SakerK on my 12.5. Lit the sucker on fire after 3 mag dumps. I wouldn't recommend it. Are they marketed for sustained fire like that? I thought they were geared towards SPRs or boltguns |
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Posted: 9/16/2016 7:22:51 PM EDT
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I have a cole-tec summit series for my saker 762, I only use it when I'm firing slow cycles on my otbr (556). It seems to work well with heat mirage and it's easy to take the can off without burning my hand. Which is why I bought it. Bonus was being able to design the colors/look of it.
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Posted: 9/16/2016 7:40:33 PM EDT
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I've got a Rifles Only HAD and I couldn't keep it from walking off my Omega 7.62. It was affecting accuracy every time it moved.
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Posted: 9/16/2016 8:46:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Check out Bowers Group, $25-$35. Work great Knocks teh IR way down, I don't burn my leg in a vehicle, or while transitioning to a pistol.  |
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Posted: 9/16/2016 8:56:53 PM EDT
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5.56 cans can get stupidly hot, really quickly. Do you, by chance, happen to have a RR, LL or DIAS? Do you like to pretend you do? If so, you are not really the target audience for suppressor cover makers. 5.56 through a .30 can might not be as bad because of the larger volume...?? But in general, I see them more as a mirage-buster for a long range, larger caliber gun. If you find one that doesn't melt, catch on fire, or get hot enough on the outside to sear flesh when run hard on an AR, please share. I can assure you that it does not change a thing. 30 rounds through a SiCo Omega and it will burn through a leather glove..... ask me how i know 
Ended up going with Cole Tac. They have great discount codes with a couple YouTube channels too. |
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Posted: 9/16/2016 9:22:22 PM EDT
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Suppressor covers work great for the PRS crowd. After that, they are dumb.
I have yet to see a suppressor cover that hasn't failed. Even the high dollar fancy griffon ones. |
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Posted: 9/16/2016 10:25:33 PM EDT
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Suppressor covers work great for the PRS crowd. After that, they are dumb. I have yet to see a suppressor cover that hasn't failed. Even the high dollar fancy griffon ones. Does this include the Bowers and Manta sleeves? |
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Posted: 9/16/2016 10:44:20 PM EDT
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Does this include the Bowers and Manta sleeves? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Suppressor covers work great for the PRS crowd. After that, they are dumb. I have yet to see a suppressor cover that hasn't failed. Even the high dollar fancy griffon ones. Does this include the Bowers and Manta sleeves? neit on the bowers, but I have personally destroyed a manta... still got some of it on my specwar |
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Posted: 9/17/2016 9:26:15 AM EDT
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Suppressor covers work great for the PRS crowd. After that, they are dumb. I have yet to see a suppressor cover that hasn't failed. Even the high dollar fancy griffon ones. Yup, I have a Griffon one...tightened it down to the point where I was sure I was going to snap one of the cords...put 2 mags through it, and about halfway through the 3rd mag, the cover slid off and a round basically split it in half 
The only one I've not heard a raft of negative reviews of is the Bowers cover. That'll be the next one I buy. |
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Posted: 9/17/2016 10:24:02 AM EDT
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neit on the bowers, but I have personally destroyed a manta... still got some of it on my specwar Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Suppressor covers work great for the PRS crowd. After that, they are dumb. I have yet to see a suppressor cover that hasn't failed. Even the high dollar fancy griffon ones. Does this include the Bowers and Manta sleeves? neit on the bowers, but I have personally destroyed a manta... still got some of it on my specwar Is it bad for the can to keep a cover on it instead of letting the heat dissipate? |
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Posted: 9/17/2016 11:17:58 AM EDT
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Is it bad for the can to keep a cover on it instead of letting the heat dissipate? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Suppressor covers work great for the PRS crowd. After that, they are dumb. I have yet to see a suppressor cover that hasn't failed. Even the high dollar fancy griffon ones. Does this include the Bowers and Manta sleeves? neit on the bowers, but I have personally destroyed a manta... still got some of it on my specwar Is it bad for the can to keep a cover on it instead of letting the heat dissipate? If it's hot enough to do any real damage, whatever is one there would burn up long before that temp is reached. |
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Posted: 9/17/2016 2:48:12 PM EDT
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Yup, I have a Griffon one...tightened it down to the point where I was sure I was going to snap one of the cords...put 2 mags through it, and about halfway through the 3rd mag, the cover slid off and a round basically split it in half
The only one I've not heard a raft of negative reviews of is the Bowers cover. That'll be the next one I buy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Suppressor covers work great for the PRS crowd. After that, they are dumb. I have yet to see a suppressor cover that hasn't failed. Even the high dollar fancy griffon ones. Yup, I have a Griffon one...tightened it down to the point where I was sure I was going to snap one of the cords...put 2 mags through it, and about halfway through the 3rd mag, the cover slid off and a round basically split it in half
The only one I've not heard a raft of negative reviews of is the Bowers cover. That'll be the next one I buy. Yep. I bought four of those expensive ass Griffon HMMS's right out of the gate. I'd tighten the cords down with as much elbow grease as possible. The covers will still easily slide forward on the can from even just a few rounds of 223/556 or 308. After a mag or two, you already need to slide them all the way back so the cover doesn't end up with a bullet hole in it. Not sure you can even tighten the cord enough to keep their covers even slightly in place from even modest use. A couple weeks ago, I had one of my cords snap mid third mag from heat during just some slightly rapid fire use on one of my 10.3s. I've pretty much tossed in the towel on them at this point. Their only purpose is for mirage dissipation for precision shooting. I'll continue to run one on my AR-10 that I'm always shooting in the 300 to 1000 yard range for precision. The other three, assuming Griffon will send me a replacement cord for the one (or if I'll have to buy one), I'll probably be selling for a good loss at this point. |
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Posted: 9/17/2016 10:27:28 PM EDT
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neit on the bowers, but I have personally destroyed a manta... still got some of it on my specwar Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Suppressor covers work great for the PRS crowd. After that, they are dumb. I have yet to see a suppressor cover that hasn't failed. Even the high dollar fancy griffon ones. Does this include the Bowers and Manta sleeves? neit on the bowers, but I have personally destroyed a manta... still got some of it on my specwar How did the Manta fail? I have one on my YHM can and am looking forward to shooting it soon, but don't want to melt anything to it. I have a Bumpfire stock that I sometimes use, so it will get very hot at times. |
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Posted: 9/18/2016 3:08:06 AM EDT
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All day. Only "problem" I've had, is that the sleeve will slide to the rear of the can over 200 rounds. Knocks teh IR way down, I don't burn my leg in a vehicle, or while transitioning to a pistol. http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66373504/20160820_125018.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Check out Bowers Group, $25-$35. Work great Knocks teh IR way down, I don't burn my leg in a vehicle, or while transitioning to a pistol. http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66373504/20160820_125018.jpg How do you get that to stay on your Saker? I used one for a while on my Saker 556. Typically, it would be halfway slid off the front of the can before I got through a mag or two. |
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Posted: 9/18/2016 5:20:42 AM EDT
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I just lay my rifle in the dirt until it cools. Let the heat out, don't keep it in. Put your beer in a cozy, not your suppressor.
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Posted: 9/18/2016 7:15:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How do you get that to stay on your Saker? I used one for a while on my Saker 556. Typically, it would be halfway slid off the front of the can before I got through a mag or two. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Check out Bowers Group, $25-$35. Work great Knocks teh IR way down, I don't burn my leg in a vehicle, or while transitioning to a pistol. http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66373504/20160820_125018.jpg How do you get that to stay on your Saker? I used one for a while on my Saker 556. Typically, it would be halfway slid off the front of the can before I got through a mag or two. |
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Posted: 9/18/2016 9:07:52 AM EDT
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Let the heat out, don't keep it in. Put your beer in a cozy, not your suppressor. I've always thought along those same lines. I just use enough cover to give me something to grab if needed. 
I don't think one ever used a cover on a rifle can. But there have been a few times when a mirage cover would have come in handy. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 8:30:29 PM EDT
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I have a Manta sleeve for my YHM Phantom 556. https://youtu.be/-tJ7heDIqXU
https://youtu.be/NAbfoMAKlx4
It's a bit goofy-looking, but if it prevents me from burning myself or melting anything I may lean my rifle against, that's a small price to pay. that top video that has to be the dumbest test i have ever seen a suppressor is going to cool off faster without a cover on it. the air moving over the metal different parts of the suppressors gets hotter than others, and they didn't take the temperature at the same point. i bet if you did the same test. but on part two, if they take the cover off after the 30 round mag dump the center of the supp could very be a couple degrees warmer because the cover if the heat was actually transferring to the cover the cover would be hot? am i wrong? i did buy a cover for my ULTRA 7. but i have found it to be a waste of money. it slips off, and it takes the suppressor longer to cool off. the advantage. 1. you won't burn your self if you touch it 2. it helps with heat mirage looking through your scope 3. thats it |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 8:56:40 PM EDT
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1. you won't burn your self if you touch it 2. it helps with heat mirage looking through your scope ...those are precisely the reasons why people buy covers in the first place 
I don't think anyone expects these things to cool down cans faster. They expect to be able to handle them without needing pain management medication more often with them on... And, if you're shooting high volumes or want to try to be precise, mirage mitigation is also why people use them... If you didn't care about either, then there's no reason to run with a suppressor cover. If you're running drills and have a drill that has you shoot 10-15 rounds then sling and switch to sidearm...you want a suppressor cover. Either that, or you want a skin graft. One or the other
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