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Posted: 7/22/2016 8:43:51 PM EDT
I have bought my first can. Been sitting on the fence for ages, and finally went and did it. Sadly, I did it post-41F, so Ihave to go through the whole Form 1 deal (prints, CLEO approval and all that jazz).
GIGGITY! 
Couldn't find my original NFA Trust paperwork and the people that did the paperwork for me are out of business, so I went the Form 1 route. 
Actually, is not that hard; the paperwork changed slightly, but it was time-consuming, and the fact the shop I bought my can from was loaded with customers did not help matters; I did get to finger-fuck a new HK SP5K, which helped a lot.
BTW; not as expensive as the original SP89s are, no try-lug barrel though (for those of you that want to get one to convert into a PDW). ANywho; the can is paid in full, the paperwork was dropped off with my local CLEO; so now, the wait begins. 
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Posted: 7/22/2016 9:02:35 PM EDT
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41f removed the cleo approval. It's just cleo notification now.
Eta: So are you buying a can or making one? Isn't a form 1 to make an nfa item, not to buy one that's already been made? |
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Posted: 7/22/2016 9:14:00 PM EDT
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41f removed the cleo approval. It's just cleo notification now. Eta: So are you buying a can or making one? Isn't a form 1 to make an nfa item, not to buy one that's already been made? Confused as well. How do you lose your trust documents? Sorry, just find it odd to misplace estate planning docs unless you don't have a family& this was only to acquire NFA with some cheap one size fits all online thing. |
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Posted: 7/22/2016 9:30:19 PM EDT
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Yeah...if forms were dropped off for signature, it sounds like they may be pre-41F forms which are now obsolete.
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Posted: 7/22/2016 9:39:59 PM EDT
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NO, I sent off one fingerprint card and one Form 4 to the CLEO for notification; I have the rest of the paperwork in an envelope, waiting to be sent once I have CLEO approval.
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Posted: 7/22/2016 9:42:02 PM EDT
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NO, I sent off one fingerprint card and one Form 4 to the CLEO for notification; I have the rest of the paperwork in an envelope, waiting to be sent once I have CLEO approval. There is no CLEO approval. That's the whole point. And no fingerprint cards are sent to the CLEO. Unless your local area has additional requirements to the federal laws. |
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Posted: 7/22/2016 9:42:20 PM EDT
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NO, I sent off one fingerprint card and one Form 4 to the CLEO for notification; I have the rest of the paperwork in an envelope, waiting to be sent once I have CLEO approval. I'm confused, it was my understanding is you send a copy to the CLEO while sending to ATF, no need for approval. |
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Posted: 7/22/2016 9:44:34 PM EDT
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NO, I sent off one fingerprint card and one Form 4 to the CLEO for notification; I have the rest of the paperwork in an envelope, waiting to be sent once I have CLEO approval. Sorry; should've been a bit clearer on my explanation. Need to read this |
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Posted: 7/22/2016 9:51:18 PM EDT
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Couldn't find my original NFA Trust paperwork and the people that did the paperwork for me are out of business, so I went the Form 1 route. And I'm assuming you meant the individual route, not the Form 1 route. (You did mention Form 4 later on) |
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Posted: 7/22/2016 9:53:39 PM EDT
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This is a good example of what a clusterfuck 41f is going to be.
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Posted: 7/22/2016 9:59:25 PM EDT
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And I'm assuming you meant the individual route, not the Form 1 route. (You did mention Form 4 later on) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Couldn't find my original NFA Trust paperwork and the people that did the paperwork for me are out of business, so I went the Form 1 route. And I'm assuming you meant the individual route, not the Form 1 route. (You did mention Form 4 later on) Yeah; i meant form 4 as an individual, not as a trust. |
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Posted: 7/22/2016 10:02:58 PM EDT
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This is a good example of what a clusterfuck 41f is going to be. No...this is simply a good example of somebody not reading the instructions on the forms. 
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Posted: 7/22/2016 10:11:10 PM EDT
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No...this is simply a good example of somebody not reading the instructions on the forms. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is a good example of what a clusterfuck 41f is going to be. No...this is simply a good example of somebody not reading the instructions on the forms. Yup! That's me alright.
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Posted: 7/22/2016 10:27:02 PM EDT
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This is a good example of what a clusterfuck 41f is going to be. Yep it's a cluster fuck by design. Glad I spent all the pre41f money I did |
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Posted: 7/23/2016 8:12:06 AM EDT
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This is a good example of what a clusterfuck 41f is going to be. No...this is simply a good example of somebody not reading the instructions on the forms. Yup! That's me alright. What most amazes me is that you knew about the rule change and still didn't take the time to read up on it, either on the web or in the instructions on the forms. This whole thread is about your post 41f experience. You knew that 41f changed the process. I fear that you won't be alone, and once ATF clears the epic pre 41f backlog, the post 41f submissions will be so filled with errors that the approval process will run even more slowly than it is now. |
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Posted: 7/23/2016 9:08:23 AM EDT
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This is why I bought from Silencer Shop, I didn't have to read forms or anything, just pay, sent in a FP card for them to scan, and will take my photo when their app decides to come online
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Posted: 7/23/2016 10:04:23 AM EDT
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Wow man did your dealer not explain anything to you or did he not know? Form 1 vs 4 and CLEO notfication not approval. Hope he didn't stear you in the wrong direction.
Post 41f or the "new forms" don't seem like they will be that big a deal just prints and a photo. I think the hardest part will be convincing my wife why I need her firgerprints and a passport photo. Once I figure that part out and the price on the DA Ghost comes down I will make my first post 41f submittal.
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Posted: 7/23/2016 10:15:13 AM EDT
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Wow man did your dealer not explain anything to you? I'm afraid the dealer knows less about the new process than the OP. The fact that fingerprint cards were sent to the CLEO for "approval" is a clear indication the instructions are not being followed. OP - Congrats on your purchase but please review the paperwork you are holding for the ATF against the instruction thread from BigWaylon. It would be incredibly disappointing to wait a year only to be told to start over due to using the wrong forms or process. You may end up teaching your dealer as well! |
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Posted: 7/23/2016 10:47:48 AM EDT
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This is why I bought from Silencer Shop, I didn't have to read forms or anything, just pay, sent in a FP card for them to scan, and will take my photo when their app decides to come online Did they tell you when it would? If you're mailing in fingerprint cards, why not mail a 2x2 passport photo with it? |
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Posted: 7/23/2016 2:19:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did they tell you when it would? If you're mailing in fingerprint cards, why not mail a 2x2 passport photo with it? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is why I bought from Silencer Shop, I didn't have to read forms or anything, just pay, sent in a FP card for them to scan, and will take my photo when their app decides to come online Did they tell you when it would? If you're mailing in fingerprint cards, why not mail a 2x2 passport photo with it? |
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Posted: 7/23/2016 2:34:02 PM EDT
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People don't realize there are smartphone/tablet apps to do that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is why I bought from Silencer Shop, I didn't have to read forms or anything, just pay, sent in a FP card for them to scan, and will take my photo when their app decides to come online Did they tell you when it would? If you're mailing in fingerprint cards, why not mail a 2x2 passport photo with it? To do what? |
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Posted: 7/23/2016 2:46:39 PM EDT
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Passport photos.
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Posted: 7/23/2016 3:11:15 PM EDT
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People don't realize there are smartphone/tablet apps to do that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is why I bought from Silencer Shop, I didn't have to read forms or anything, just pay, sent in a FP card for them to scan, and will take my photo when their app decides to come online Did they tell you when it would? If you're mailing in fingerprint cards, why not mail a 2x2 passport photo with it? Free app. ID Photo Print |
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Posted: 7/23/2016 3:49:08 PM EDT
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Yeah I get that there are apps. I was just saying if youre already mailing SS your prints, might as well mail in a 2x2 photo with them, and then you wont have to wait for SS photo app
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Posted: 7/23/2016 4:29:15 PM EDT
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The ss photo app should be up anytime from what i hear. Whats the hurry in getting the photo to them, they won't file the form 4 until after so long anyways. Hell my form 3 was just sent tuesday.
Not like having everything to them is going to speed anything up. And yes, since i am not near a kiosk, and they have not got the kiosks ready anyways, if you have a order with them they will scan and save your prints from a card if you already have them done. Once you get prints and photos in the ss system, you will only have to update your picture every 2 years thats it. Check out ss forum, they got it all covered. |
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Posted: 7/25/2016 6:23:51 PM EDT
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I'm afraid the dealer knows less about the new process than the OP. The fact that fingerprint cards were sent to the CLEO for "approval" is a clear indication the instructions are not being followed. OP - Congrats on your purchase but please review the paperwork you are holding for the ATF against the instruction thread from BigWaylon. It would be incredibly disappointing to wait a year only to be told to start over due to using the wrong forms or process. You may end up teaching your dealer as well! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wow man did your dealer not explain anything to you? I'm afraid the dealer knows less about the new process than the OP. The fact that fingerprint cards were sent to the CLEO for "approval" is a clear indication the instructions are not being followed. OP - Congrats on your purchase but please review the paperwork you are holding for the ATF against the instruction thread from BigWaylon. It would be incredibly disappointing to wait a year only to be told to start over due to using the wrong forms or process. You may end up teaching your dealer as well! Thanks; I will definitely do that. I have the forms at home and I will review them as you said. Looks to me like the shop is doing things wrong, but I already paid in full for the can and I don't want to screw this up (which seems I did). |
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Posted: 7/25/2016 10:13:09 PM EDT
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Don't worry about it! You haven't sent the ATF forms yet so you haven't done any permanent damage. Let us know if the dealer had you fill out the correct forms. I really wasn't joking about you teaching them the new process.
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Posted: 7/25/2016 10:43:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks; I will definitely do that. I have the forms at home and I will review them as you said. Looks to me like the shop is doing things wrong, but I already paid in full for the can and I don't want to screw this up (which seems I did). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Wow man did your dealer not explain anything to you? I'm afraid the dealer knows less about the new process than the OP. The fact that fingerprint cards were sent to the CLEO for "approval" is a clear indication the instructions are not being followed. OP - Congrats on your purchase but please review the paperwork you are holding for the ATF against the instruction thread from BigWaylon. It would be incredibly disappointing to wait a year only to be told to start over due to using the wrong forms or process. You may end up teaching your dealer as well! Thanks; I will definitely do that. I have the forms at home and I will review them as you said. Looks to me like the shop is doing things wrong, but I already paid in full for the can and I don't want to screw this up (which seems I did). If you are in Pima county, I understand your dilema. The County Sheriff had his own process over and above ATF/NFA to get his signature on the CLEO block which is obsolete now.  |
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Posted: 7/25/2016 11:05:12 PM EDT
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It's not screwed up. The wrong forms are in the wrong hands, but it doesn't matter. Fill out the right forms, send 'em in, send the notification to the CLEO. Done.
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Posted: 7/25/2016 11:37:38 PM EDT
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I have bought my first can. Been sitting on the fence for ages, and finally went and did it. Sadly, I did it post-41F, so Ihave to go through the whole Form 1 deal (prints, CLEO approval and all that jazz). If you bought a can it would be on a Form 4 regardless of 41F... And post 41F a CLEO notification would be all that is necessary... GIGGITY!
Couldn't find my original NFA Trust paperwork and the people that did the paperwork for me are out of business, so I went the Form 1 route .
So you have misplaced your original Trust, and now your applying for NFA items on the wrong form??? So what other NFA items were on this "Trust"... 
Actually, is not that hard; the paperwork changed slightly, but it was time-consuming, and the fact the shop I bought my can from was loaded with customers did not help matters; I did get to finger-fuck a new HK SP5K, which helped a lot.
So what paperwork have you done in the past? You said this was your first suppressor... |
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Posted: 7/25/2016 11:48:06 PM EDT
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Okay, maybe the way I explained my original post was wrong. Let me try and clear the air.
My original post was to explain that I had the fortune of purchasing my first can - a Surefire SOCOM 556; sadly, I did not have the available to purchase the can until after the 41F grandfathering ended. Now; I wanted to add this NFA item to my NFA Trust, which I already had for an SBR that I built, but because I somehow misplaced the original Trust letter, I could not purchase the can as an addition to the trust, so I had to file the paperwork as an individual. Now, I have right next to me the new Form 4 (5320.4), which has three copies, 1 for the ATF, one for me and one for the CLEO; a couple of days ago, I took the CLEO copy to the CLEO here, along with a fingerprint card and a passport picture; leaving me two more copies, along with the corresponding fingerprint card and passport pictures. I've read that 41F removed the CLEO signature requirement and implies it to a "notification", so I can assume that by dropping off the CLEO copy for the new Form 4 should suffice as notification. Please correct me if I am wrong. All I have to do now (I assume) is to mail the remaining form, along with the fingerprint card and passport picture to the ATF to start the processing. I expect that because of the backlog of pre 41F applications, my application could take up to a year to process; but I am patient and I am hoping that it will not take that long, though I am not making any assumptions and I am mentally prepared to wait a year for my stamp to arrive. I hope this explanation is better than the one on my original post. If not, then you can all rag on me all you want at how much of an ignorant I am on this. |
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Posted: 7/26/2016 3:19:13 AM EDT
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It's not screwed up. The wrong forms are in the wrong hands, but it doesn't matter. Fill out the right forms, send 'em in, send the notification to the CLEO. Done. I double-checked the forms I have; they're the right forms. I just haven't sent the forms to the ATF just yet; I'm giving the Sheriff's office a call tomorrow to verify that they do have the right form. |
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Posted: 7/26/2016 3:21:24 AM EDT
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If you are in Pima county, I understand your dilema. The County Sheriff had his own process over and above ATF/NFA to get his signature on the CLEO block which is obsolete now.
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Wow man did your dealer not explain anything to you? I'm afraid the dealer knows less about the new process than the OP. The fact that fingerprint cards were sent to the CLEO for "approval" is a clear indication the instructions are not being followed. OP - Congrats on your purchase but please review the paperwork you are holding for the ATF against the instruction thread from BigWaylon. It would be incredibly disappointing to wait a year only to be told to start over due to using the wrong forms or process. You may end up teaching your dealer as well! Thanks; I will definitely do that. I have the forms at home and I will review them as you said. Looks to me like the shop is doing things wrong, but I already paid in full for the can and I don't want to screw this up (which seems I did). If you are in Pima county, I understand your dilema. The County Sheriff had his own process over and above ATF/NFA to get his signature on the CLEO block which is obsolete now.
Yes, it's Pima County. I dropped the CLEO copy at their front desk with a fingerprint card and a pic of me. That way, i can appease him. I haven;t sent the other two forms to the ATF yet. |
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Posted: 7/26/2016 8:44:57 AM EDT
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All I have to do now (I assume) is to mail the remaining form, along with the fingerprint card and passport picture to the ATF to start the processing. I expect that because of the backlog of pre 41F applications, my application could take up to a year to process; but I am patient and I am hoping that it will not take that long, though I am not making any assumptions and I am mentally prepared to wait a year for my stamp to arrive. You need to submit two fingerprint cards with your application, so if you only had two to start with and gave one to the CLEO - you'll have to have another one taken. |
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Posted: 7/26/2016 8:45:26 AM EDT
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You need to send TWO fingerprint cards to the ATF
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Posted: 7/26/2016 11:44:33 AM EDT
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Also review the SilencerCo Education Guide for individuals. The text below is from their link and details how many of each document you need and who gets them:
PURCHASING CHECKLIST: Use our example form below to carefully complete (2) included BATFE Form 4s (5320.4) and sign in blue or black ink Obtain (2) passport photos and affix one to each Form 4; do NOT staple Make (1) photocopy of your completed Form 4 with passport photo affixed Use our example form below to carefully complete (2) FBI Form FD-258s in blue or black ink Identify your local Chief Law Enforcement Officer (CLEO) Write a $200 check to the BATFE Using the mailing checklist below, mail your completed paperwork to the BATFE and your CLEO MAILING CHECKLIST: CLEO (1) Photocopy of BATFE Form 4 (5320.4) (Application for Tax Paid Transfer and Registration of Firearm) BATFE (1) $200 Check to Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (2) Original BATFE Form 4s (5320.4) (Application for Tax Paid Transfer and Registration of Firearm) Affix (1) Passport Photo to Item 15 of each Form 4, do NOT staple (2) Original FBI Form FD-258s (Fingerprint Card) Your dealer will notify you when your silencer is ready for pickup, at which point you will complete a BATFE Form 4473 and finalize your ownership. |
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Posted: 7/26/2016 12:25:56 PM EDT
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Although, the SS instructions say fill out two copies of the form and then make a photocopy...the PDF is set up to give you all three by simply filling out the first one. They're even labeled with which copy goes to where.
I think their instructions were probably written based on the draft version of the form and never updated when the forms were actually released. |
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Posted: 7/26/2016 12:34:58 PM EDT
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Now; I wanted to add this NFA item to my NFA Trust, which I already had for an SBR that I built, but because I somehow misplaced the original Trust letter, I could not purchase the can as an addition to the trust, so I had to file the paperwork as an individual. You know having an NFA item registered to an entity but no way to prove the legitimate existence of said entity isn't good right? Does your state require trust to be filed with the county or any other place you may be able to get a copy? |
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Posted: 7/26/2016 12:51:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You know having an NFA item registered to an entity but no way to prove the legitimate existence of said entity isn't good right?
Does your state require trust to be filed with the county or any other place you may be able to get a copy? BATFE has a copy. If he filed on eForms, he should be able to download the original file, I think. His lawyer might also have a copy. |
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Posted: 7/26/2016 3:06:14 PM EDT
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STOP! Go back to the Sheriff, get your Form 4, Fingerprint card, and photo back.
Then, FIND your trust documents! Go back to the dealer and have him reprint the Form 4's with your trust information. There is no reason to file this as an individual when you already have a trust set up, simply find your documents! When you get your trust squared away drop off a copy of the Form 4 to the Sheriff and mail the other 2 copies along with both fingerprint cards and both photos to the BATFE. |
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Posted: 7/26/2016 8:55:52 PM EDT
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This is a good example of what a clusterfuck 41f is going to be. Yep it's a cluster fuck by design. Glad I spent all the pre41f money I did Yup |
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Posted: 7/27/2016 11:13:27 AM EDT
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This is a good example of what a clusterfuck 41f is going to be. Yep it's a cluster fuck by design. Glad I spent all the pre41f money I did Yup No. The only reason this is a clusterfuck is because the OP doesn't know what he's doing. |
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Posted: 7/27/2016 1:12:47 PM EDT
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This is a good example of what a clusterfuck 41f is going to be. Yep it's a cluster fuck by design. Glad I spent all the pre41f money I did Yup No. The only reason this is a clusterfuck is because the OP doesn't know what he's doing. I thought it was all a cluster fuck before 41f, so it's all in how you perceive it. It's definitely a cf for me now. |
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Posted: 7/27/2016 3:04:37 PM EDT
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HALLELLUJAH! Found my Trust paperwork.
Dammit! I was shitting prix about all this. Called the SO to withdraw my application and taking all this back to the gun store to redo THE RIGHT WAY. AND OUT OF ALL PLACES I WENT TO LOOK FOR THE DAMN PAPERWORK; I stuck it on the top shelf of the kitchen cupboard. Is official; I'm an dumbass.
OK; let's stand back... Take a deep breath... Make two copies of all this paperwork and stick it in the safe, so I don;t have another repeat of this sudden case of dumbassery. |
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Posted: 7/27/2016 3:50:11 PM EDT
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HALLELLUJAH! Found my Trust paperwork.
Dammit! I was shitting prix about all this. Called the SO to withdraw my application and taking all this back to the gun store to redo THE RIGHT WAY. AND OUT OF ALL PLACES I WENT TO LOOK FOR THE DAMN PAPERWORK; I stuck it on the top shelf of the kitchen cupboard. Is official; I'm an dumbass.
OK; let's stand back... Take a deep breath... Make two copies of all this paperwork and stick it in the safe, so I don;t have another repeat of this sudden case of dumbassery. Don't feel bad. The original copy of my trust forms was in a folder I set down on top of my safe while I was organizing/moving stuff around, and it slid down between the safe and an interior wall of my house. I had two options, 1. destroy the wall to get it out, or 2. hang my head in shame and go back to my lawyer/friend to print me up another copy and re-notarize it.
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Posted: 7/27/2016 5:38:17 PM EDT
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I m glad I finally found the paperwork; spent a couple of hours last night and the better part of the morning looking for the stuff, only to find the paperwork when I was not looking for it (how 'bout them apples?); took the paperwork to the office and made several copies to keep in the safe, so this doesn't happen to me again. Plus, since I have intentions to add a couple some more NFA stuff in the near future, I want to make sure I don't go through this again.
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Posted: 7/28/2016 2:12:23 AM EDT
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Yes, it's Pima County. I dropped the CLEO copy at their front desk with a fingerprint card and a pic of me. That way, i can appease him. I haven;t sent the other two forms to the ATF yet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wow man did your dealer not explain anything to you? I'm afraid the dealer knows less about the new process than the OP. The fact that fingerprint cards were sent to the CLEO for "approval" is a clear indication the instructions are not being followed. OP - Congrats on your purchase but please review the paperwork you are holding for the ATF against the instruction thread from BigWaylon. It would be incredibly disappointing to wait a year only to be told to start over due to using the wrong forms or process. You may end up teaching your dealer as well! Thanks; I will definitely do that. I have the forms at home and I will review them as you said. Looks to me like the shop is doing things wrong, but I already paid in full for the can and I don't want to screw this up (which seems I did). If you are in Pima county, I understand your dilema. The County Sheriff had his own process over and above ATF/NFA to get his signature on the CLEO block which is obsolete now.
Yes, it's Pima County. I dropped the CLEO copy at their front desk with a fingerprint card and a pic of me. That way, i can appease him. I haven;t sent the other two forms to the ATF yet. Appease him my ass. Seriously, there's nothing he can do about it now right? No reason not to mail the ATF their copy at the same time Eta:sounds like waiting worked out for you in this instance I would draw a dick on the CLEO copy
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Posted: 7/28/2016 2:18:40 PM EDT
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This is a good example of what a clusterfuck 41f is going to be. No...this is simply a good example of somebody not reading the instructions on the forms. +1 Really-peeps gotta read this stuff if they are new to the NFA game. |
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Posted: 7/28/2016 3:02:34 PM EDT
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Picking the paperwork from the SO once I get off work, then goi g to the LGS and do it all over again.
Thank God I found the Trust paperwork, should've made sure I had it to begin with. |
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Posted: 7/28/2016 5:52:25 PM EDT
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Now, I have right next to me the new Form 4 (5320.4), which has three copies, 1 for the ATF, one for me and one for the CLEO; a couple of days ago, I took the CLEO copy to the CLEO here, along with a fingerprint card and a passport picture; leaving me two more copies, along with the corresponding fingerprint card and passport pictures. I've read that 41F removed the CLEO signature requirement and implies it to a "notification", so I can assume that by dropping off the CLEO copy for the new Form 4 should suffice as notification. Please correct me if I am wrong. Just because I didn't see it made ABUNDANTLY clear in the subsequent posts, you have a fundamental error in your statements above. The ATF needs TWO Form 4 copies and TWO fingerprint cards and a photo. When you say you have 3 Form 4s, one for the ATF, one for you and one for the CLEO you are setting yourself up for disappointment in however many months it takes for them to discover that you didn't include a copy for them to SEND BACK to you with a stamp. What you have are TWO copies for the ATF and ONE for the CLEO and NONE for you unless you make one. |
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Posted: 7/28/2016 7:15:27 PM EDT
[#50]
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Just because I didn't see it made ABUNDANTLY clear in the subsequent posts, you have a fundamental error in your statements above. The ATF needs TWO Form 4 copies and TWO fingerprint cards and a photo. When you say you have 3 Form 4s, one for the ATF, one for you and one for the CLEO you are setting yourself up for disappointment in however many months it takes for them to discover that you didn't include a copy for them to SEND BACK to you with a stamp. What you have are TWO copies for the ATF and ONE for the CLEO and NONE for you unless you make one. OK, I have TWO copies for the ATF (one they keep, the other one returns to me with the stamp); the third one WAS with the SO, but I withdrew the application and picked the form back. I am going first thing tomorrow morning to the shop I bought the can from WITH my Trust Paperwork to REDO the entire FORM 4 as a TRUST. THE WAY I SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS INT HE FIRST PLACE IF I HAD NOT MISPLACED MY TRUST PAPERWORK IN THE FIRST PLACE. |
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