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Posted: 5/31/2016 1:00:31 PM EDT
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Fiocchi 158 is the best factory ammo for shooting suppressed.
PPU 158 is a very close second. Haven't tried much else, but I can say to avoid the AE 124gr "Suppressor" ammo like the plague. |
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Posted: 5/31/2016 1:01:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/31/2016 1:02:52 PM EDT
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For cheap shooting the 147 grain speerman is NICE. Especially the prices at SGammo. Im waiting for them to get some more in.
I may try some 158s if they are that much better like the poster above indicates |
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Posted: 5/31/2016 1:04:57 PM EDT
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PPU 158 sounds great. Noticeable difference side by side with Lawman 147gr.
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Posted: 5/31/2016 1:10:19 PM EDT
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PPU 158 sounds great. Noticeable difference side by side with Lawman 147gr. Guess Ill order some. Any pressure issues in a MP5 gun with them? Ive never went above 147 with 9mm. |
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Posted: 5/31/2016 1:27:36 PM EDT
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Guess Ill order some. Any pressure issues in a MP5 gun with them? Ive never went above 147 with 9mm. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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PPU 158 sounds great. Noticeable difference side by side with Lawman 147gr. Guess Ill order some. Any pressure issues in a MP5 gun with them? Ive never went above 147 with 9mm. Great point. I should have mentioned I have a few subguns. Any known cycling issues when going 158? |
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Posted: 5/31/2016 1:54:57 PM EDT
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I load my own. I've been using the bullets that we cast at work. Usually 147s. I just started to play around with 158 gr bullets that I resized to .356 for 9mm. Was testing them this weekend. The 158s seemed quieter than the 147s. I'll need to play with them more and have others shoot them to see. They didn't chamber in my MP5 clone but I may need to adjust the OAL.
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Posted: 5/31/2016 2:07:52 PM EDT
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I caught Freedom Munitions 147 grain remanufactured on sale and got it for something like 18 cents a round. Haven't had any problems with shooting it yet.
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Posted: 5/31/2016 4:10:09 PM EDT
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Great point. I should have mentioned I have a few subguns. Any known cycling issues when going 158? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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PPU 158 sounds great. Noticeable difference side by side with Lawman 147gr. Guess Ill order some. Any pressure issues in a MP5 gun with them? Ive never went above 147 with 9mm. Great point. I should have mentioned I have a few subguns. Any known cycling issues when going 158? OP I was going to ask what hosts you used. I have used the flat nose Speer 147 in an mp5 but that particular one did not cycle it well at all. I have not used the 158 in a mp5 because I always read to not go above 147 (I dunno). The CZ scorpion cycles 158 great. You may have to lighten the buffer weight (mine is 12oz) to the 158 to run in a 9mm AR sbr build if you have one because mine will barely spit out the brass. The 158 runs great in a m&p9 pistol. |
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Posted: 5/31/2016 4:21:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For cheap shooting the 147 grain speerman is NICE. Especially the prices at SGammo. Im waiting for them to get some more in. I may try some 158s if they are that much better like the poster above indicates I've had great success with Speerman 147s. Also purchased from SG. |
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Posted: 5/31/2016 5:11:39 PM EDT
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freedom munitions 147 reloads.
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Posted: 5/31/2016 5:45:08 PM EDT
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Freedom Munitions Hush 147g
or Fiocchi 158 |
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Posted: 5/31/2016 8:09:36 PM EDT
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To me this is what sounds best in order from best to worst.
PPU 158 Freedom Hush 147 All other 147s I have tried. The 158 has a little deeper tone maybe and I think that's why it sounds better to me. Wet they all sound pretty close but the 158 is the best dry. |
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Posted: 5/31/2016 9:31:46 PM EDT
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I mostly use 147 grain from Stand 1 Armory. It's convenient because they are very close to where I live. I use the regular 147 grain for pistols and the Chubbies (-P) for my MP5 clones. The Chubbies are cleaner and less gassy but don't function very well with suppressed pistols, but they work great in sub guns. I have also tried Freedom's Hush ammo and it is a little quieter but not worth the price for general use.
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Posted: 5/31/2016 11:34:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fiocchi 158 is the best factory ammo for shooting suppressed. PPU 158 is a very close second. Haven't tried much else, but I can say to avoid the AE 124gr "Suppressor" ammo like the plague. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 12:52:51 AM EDT
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Fiocchi 158 is the best factory ammo for shooting suppressed. PPU 158 is a very close second. Haven't tried much else, but I can say to avoid the AE 124gr "Suppressor" ammo like the plague. 8 out of 10 go supersonic even in my pistols, and the other 20% are still loud AF compared the the 158s. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 12:58:38 AM EDT
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8 out of 10 go supersonic even in my pistols, and the other 20% are still loud AF compared the the 158s. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fiocchi 158 is the best factory ammo for shooting suppressed. PPU 158 is a very close second. Haven't tried much else, but I can say to avoid the AE 124gr "Suppressor" ammo like the plague. 8 out of 10 go supersonic even in my pistols, and the other 20% are still loud AF compared the the 158s. Funny because I have a good bit of the AE 124 Suppressor ammo and really love it... All has been very quiet and clean.. Maybe I need to try the 158's...?? |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 6:58:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Guess Ill order some. Any pressure issues in a MP5 gun with them? Ive never went above 147 with 9mm. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: PPU 158 sounds great. Noticeable difference side by side with Lawman 147gr. Guess Ill order some. Any pressure issues in a MP5 gun with them? Ive never went above 147 with 9mm. Here is a link to an old thread that PHD and myself posted on in 2010. https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=6&f=20&t=300898 PHD posts of special rollers for the 158 for the MP5 in Europe. I would have to dig up my old chrony data but the Fiocchi was significantly slower than the old IMI blue tip I tested. The Fiocchi may be OK but I wouldn't bother risk it when there are so many 147 offerings available. Here is also a response from HK regarding 158Gr in the MP5 warning of potential breaking of the roller holders: http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-nfa-talk/134501-158gr-rounds-mp5-conflicting-information-2.html |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 8:54:26 AM EDT
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I use Speer 147's and like them a lot.
Was told not to use 158's because of premature ejector/extractor wear. Anyone else hear this? |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 10:40:27 AM EDT
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I've shot a bunch of the Freedom Munitions 147 grain reloads. All went bang and are accurate enough for me!
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Posted: 6/1/2016 10:44:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Funny because I have a good bit of the AE 124 Suppressor ammo and really love it... All has been very quiet and clean.. Maybe I need to try the 158's...?? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Fiocchi 158 is the best factory ammo for shooting suppressed. PPU 158 is a very close second. Haven't tried much else, but I can say to avoid the AE 124gr "Suppressor" ammo like the plague. 8 out of 10 go supersonic even in my pistols, and the other 20% are still loud AF compared the the 158s. Funny because I have a good bit of the AE 124 Suppressor ammo and really love it... All has been very quiet and clean.. Maybe I need to try the 158's...?? |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 11:19:18 AM EDT
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Freedom Munitions Hush 147gr.
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Posted: 6/1/2016 1:36:22 PM EDT
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Here is a link to an old thread that PHD and myself posted on in 2010. https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=6&f=20&t=300898 PHD posts of special rollers for the 158 for the MP5 in Europe. I would have to dig up my old chrony data but the Fiocchi was significantly slower than the old IMI blue tip I tested. The Fiocchi may be OK but I wouldn't bother risk it when there are so many 147 offerings available. Here is also a response from HK regarding 158Gr in the MP5 warning of potential breaking of the roller holders: http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-nfa-talk/134501-158gr-rounds-mp5-conflicting-information-2.html Quote HistoryQuoted:
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PPU 158 sounds great. Noticeable difference side by side with Lawman 147gr. Guess Ill order some. Any pressure issues in a MP5 gun with them? Ive never went above 147 with 9mm. Here is a link to an old thread that PHD and myself posted on in 2010. https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=6&f=20&t=300898 PHD posts of special rollers for the 158 for the MP5 in Europe. I would have to dig up my old chrony data but the Fiocchi was significantly slower than the old IMI blue tip I tested. The Fiocchi may be OK but I wouldn't bother risk it when there are so many 147 offerings available. Here is also a response from HK regarding 158Gr in the MP5 warning of potential breaking of the roller holders: http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-nfa-talk/134501-158gr-rounds-mp5-conflicting-information-2.html I thought I saw something somewhere at some point about it and MP5 guns not liking it. Must have been this. I think Ill just stick with the 147s. Theyre pretty damn quiet as is depending on environment around you. Open fields I swear you basically only hear the action working about 10 feet away with a wet can and my K clone. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 1:36:54 PM EDT
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Freedom Munitions Hush 147gr.
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13307311_10208514577397847_3662714285371054400_n.jpg?oh=4d4524c32684f1976d70a92600b5ac56&oe=57CBA9AF Do you find it quieter than the lawman 147s? Or so close its irrelevant? |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 4:01:40 PM EDT
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Do you find it quieter than the lawman 147s? Or so close its irrelevant? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Freedom Munitions Hush 147gr.
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13307311_10208514577397847_3662714285371054400_n.jpg?oh=4d4524c32684f1976d70a92600b5ac56&oe=57CBA9AF Do you find it quieter than the lawman 147s? Or so close its irrelevant? This I'm not sure personally. I will have to find some Lawman 147s and try it out myself. The only other 147 I tested was the Winchester "Train & Defend" 147s and yeah not even close. I know NFA Review did a video on them a while back and if I recall he was (prior to that review) a huge fan of Lawman 147s. His review swayed me to Hush :) NFA Review Channel |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 4:49:33 PM EDT
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This I'm not sure personally. I will have to find some Lawman 147s and try it out myself. The only other 147 I tested was the Winchester "Train & Defend" 147s and yeah not even close. I know NFA Review did a video on them a while back and if I recall he was (prior to that review) a huge fan of Lawman 147s. His review swayed me to Hush :) NFA Review Channel Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Freedom Munitions Hush 147gr.
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13307311_10208514577397847_3662714285371054400_n.jpg?oh=4d4524c32684f1976d70a92600b5ac56&oe=57CBA9AF Do you find it quieter than the lawman 147s? Or so close its irrelevant? This I'm not sure personally. I will have to find some Lawman 147s and try it out myself. The only other 147 I tested was the Winchester "Train & Defend" 147s and yeah not even close. I know NFA Review did a video on them a while back and if I recall he was (prior to that review) a huge fan of Lawman 147s. His review swayed me to Hush :) NFA Review Channel  They make a 165 grain hush 9mm.
I may try some of the 147s after I price check Shew, a decent bit more expensive  .
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Posted: 6/1/2016 5:42:40 PM EDT
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Do you find it quieter than the lawman 147s? Or so close its irrelevant? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Freedom Munitions Hush 147gr.
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13307311_10208514577397847_3662714285371054400_n.jpg?oh=4d4524c32684f1976d70a92600b5ac56&oe=57CBA9AF Do you find it quieter than the lawman 147s? Or so close its irrelevant? At least through my Scorpion/Octane 9 combo, I cannot tell the difference between HUSH and the regular 147 grain Freedom FMJ. I now save my shekels and go with the regular 147s. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 6:02:47 PM EDT
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At least through my Scorpion/Octane 9 combo, I cannot tell the difference between HUSH and the regular 147 grain Freedom FMJ. I now save my shekels and go with the regular 147s. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Freedom Munitions Hush 147gr.
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13307311_10208514577397847_3662714285371054400_n.jpg?oh=4d4524c32684f1976d70a92600b5ac56&oe=57CBA9AF Do you find it quieter than the lawman 147s? Or so close its irrelevant? At least through my Scorpion/Octane 9 combo, I cannot tell the difference between HUSH and the regular 147 grain Freedom FMJ. I now save my shekels and go with the regular 147s. This is good to know. I just bought an Omega 9k for my Evo Scorpion. I also wanted to know what ammo would work good. I'm choosing Federal 147 HST for my deploy load but wanted to a cheaper practice round. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 7:25:35 PM EDT
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G17 Zev drop in /octane 45 w/ 45 end cap...
 quietest to loudest. all dry. black box federal 124g suppressor 147g American Eagle flat point 115g wolf steel case 115g brass case I really need to try some of the 158s. The 124g suppressor ammo was really quiet. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 7:43:21 PM EDT
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I haven't had problems with the 124 gr ammo through a pistol. Haven't tried it in a subgun yet, but plan to soon.
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Posted: 6/2/2016 11:54:09 PM EDT
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158gr Fiocchi runs just fine in my MPX
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Posted: 6/2/2016 11:54:43 PM EDT
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158gr Fiocchi runs just fine in my MPX with TiRant .45M
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Posted: 6/3/2016 6:19:19 PM EDT
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158gr Fiocchi runs just fine in my MPX with TiRant .45M I went with 1k of 158 PPU. I searched the forums on Uzitalk and I saw lots of reccomendations for just that. If it sucks I'll post a link here directing you to the EE 
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Posted: 6/5/2016 2:44:28 PM EDT
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I went with 1k of 158 PPU. Where and how much $$? |
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Posted: 6/5/2016 3:38:19 PM EDT
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I use whatever is cheapest for plinking. For quieter I've tried a few brands of 147gr 9mm and been pretty happy with the results. My use is on a 9mm AR SBR with a YHM Cobra can.
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Posted: 6/5/2016 3:50:45 PM EDT
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I went with 1k of 158 PPU. Where and how much $$? Sgammo has it in stock. Price depends on quantity. |
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Posted: 6/5/2016 7:47:50 PM EDT
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147 grain reloads, if I can't find them for a price I like I make 124 grain subsonic reloads.
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Posted: 6/5/2016 8:15:11 PM EDT
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Tried Browning 147gr bpt, quieter than my 125gr reloads but way louder than my 150gr reloads using 700x. Really quiet except for the ring of the steel.... Shooting paper is quiet.
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Posted: 6/5/2016 8:16:22 PM EDT
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Double post, sorry,. Shooting through my Octane 45.....
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Posted: 6/5/2016 8:25:23 PM EDT
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What powder is everyone using on the 147 reloads
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Posted: 6/5/2016 9:17:45 PM EDT
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Fiocchi 158 are definitely quieter than the Lawman 147 in a Glock 19 with Octane 9.
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Posted: 6/6/2016 6:19:01 PM EDT
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I went with 1k of 158 PPU. Where and how much $$? 289 @ SGAmmo |
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