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Posted: 5/24/2016 10:15:26 PM EDT
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Literally nothing I can think of fits your criteria. I'd buy an osprey and maybe an Obsidian 45 if I were in your shoes
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Posted: 5/24/2016 10:32:09 PM EDT
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I will never shoot 45. I prefer to buy a 9mm specific suppressor. If I have to choose between long or short, I'd prefer short.
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Posted: 5/24/2016 10:37:34 PM EDT
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Omega K and buy taller sights. No, it's not modular but it's a compact can that will do 9 as well as sub AND supersonic 300 BLK.
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Posted: 5/24/2016 10:56:18 PM EDT
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I can't think of anything that meets all of your criteria either. Doesn't the obsidian meter better shooting 9mm than most (all?) 9mm cans anyway? Then you get modularity and a great warranty.
I'd personally get the Obsidian and omega 9k if I were in your shoes. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 10:59:08 PM EDT
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Omega K and buy taller sights. No, it's not modular but it's a compact can that will do 9 as well as sub AND supersonic 300 BLK. I don't think you'd get any sights so see over an Omega 9k. I'd even like to see an RMR sight picture with an Omega |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 11:11:33 PM EDT
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The Obsidian 45 has got my attention.
How's Rugged's customer service and overall reputation? |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 11:32:26 PM EDT
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The Obsidian 45 has got my attention. How's Rugged's customer service and overall reputation? They're so new, there is little to no actual feedback on their CS |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 11:33:25 PM EDT
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How's Rugged's customer service and overall reputation? So far, so good. The company is relatively new, but the people behind it are definitely known and well-respected. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 11:48:04 PM EDT
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I don't think you'd get any sights so see over an Omega 9k. I'd even like to see an RMR sight picture with an Omega Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Omega K and buy taller sights. No, it's not modular but it's a compact can that will do 9 as well as sub AND supersonic 300 BLK. I don't think you'd get any sights so see over an Omega 9k. I'd even like to see an RMR sight picture with an Omega 9K is 1.475" and Obsidian is 1.37" dia, RMR should be GTG. There'a pic in a thread on ST that shows a 938 with a 9K on it and it's not as bad as I thought for sight height. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 11:52:31 PM EDT
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I don't think you'd get any sights so see over an Omega 9k. I'd even like to see an RMR sight picture with an Omega Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Omega K and buy taller sights. No, it's not modular but it's a compact can that will do 9 as well as sub AND supersonic 300 BLK. I don't think you'd get any sights so see over an Omega 9k. I'd even like to see an RMR sight picture with an Omega It's close but as with most suppressors use the top of the tube to aim might work better. I'll know more once my Omega 9k form 4 clears  ....
The Omega looks to be a great length for pistol use and light weight combined with the reported excellent tone on 9mm makes it a good contender but the Obsidian looks great especially if you can find it in the $650 range it would be hard to beat IMO. 
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Posted: 5/25/2016 12:01:24 AM EDT
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The Obsidian 45 has got my attention. How's Rugged's customer service and overall reputation? It got my attention to, I have one on F3 from THSF. I'm confident about Rugged dealing with CS, fingers crossed I won't need to find out. |
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Posted: 5/25/2016 12:05:54 AM EDT
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It got my attention to, I have one on F3 from THSF. I'm confident about Rugged dealing with CS, fingers crossed I won't need to find out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Obsidian 45 has got my attention. It got my attention to, I have one on F3 from THSF. I'm confident about Rugged dealing with CS, fingers crossed I won't need to find out. It's what I'd buy today if I wanted another pistol can. Bonus points for being able to use SiCo pistons. Every time I find out Scott (THSF) has a serial number for one, my CC gets real nervous. 
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Posted: 5/25/2016 12:22:21 AM EDT
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It's what I'd buy today if I wanted another pistol can. Bonus points for being able to use SiCo pistons. Every time I find out Scott (THSF) has a serial number for one, my CC gets real nervous. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Obsidian 45 has got my attention. It got my attention to, I have one on F3 from THSF. I'm confident about Rugged dealing with CS, fingers crossed I won't need to find out. It's what I'd buy today if I wanted another pistol can. Bonus points for being able to use SiCo pistons. Every time I find out Scott (THSF) has a serial number for one, my CC gets real nervous. OP's question has me thinking, even though I bought an Obsidian is it wrong that I lust after the 9K to go with the Scorpion I don't have yet? I still say that's the direction I'd go if I was the OP and did not want a 45 can. As for Scott, hell I may even buy a can from him after 41F just because his service is the best I've ever received in my short NFA adventure (3 stamps and two on F3). |
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Posted: 5/25/2016 12:30:41 AM EDT
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While I'm not sure about performance, the new Liberty Centurion 'may' be an option. Same dia as the Obsidian, comes with booster and 1/2x28 piston for the price, it's basically a shortened Mystic X. The one advantage it has is it's serviceable.
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Posted: 5/25/2016 12:32:58 AM EDT
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It's what I'd buy today if I wanted another pistol can. Bonus points for being able to use SiCo pistons. Every time I find out Scott (THSF) has a serial number for one, my CC gets real nervous. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Obsidian 45 has got my attention. It got my attention to, I have one on F3 from THSF. I'm confident about Rugged dealing with CS, fingers crossed I won't need to find out. It's what I'd buy today if I wanted another pistol can. Bonus points for being able to use SiCo pistons. Every time I find out Scott (THSF) has a serial number for one, my CC gets real nervous. When I called him to see if he was getting any Ghosts in he said not yet but had serial numbers for the Obsidian, my CC somehow popped out of my wallet and before I knew it I had a confirmation email 
Eta: When you have time OP read through the big Obsidian thread, it'll grow on you and make you a believer. Plus I'm pretty sure the GA 9mm end cap will fit too. |
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Posted: 5/25/2016 1:31:18 AM EDT
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Thanks. ... I'll check out that Obsidian thread ASAP.
So, how's it work when they list 'serial numbers available'? What stage is that? And, what's it mean if anything, that one shop doesn't list having serial numbers and one does? |
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Posted: 5/25/2016 7:24:24 AM EDT
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So, how's it work when they list 'serial numbers available'? What stage is that? And, what's it mean if anything, that one shop doesn't list having serial numbers and one does? When they have serial numbers, it's getting closer to being in stock. Having a list of 10 SNs is better than just thinking you have 10 coming you're way. A lot of dealers will start the outbound F3 or F4 once they have SNs even if the incoming F3 hasn't been approved. |
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Posted: 5/25/2016 8:48:43 AM EDT
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However, the satisfaction stops there and I have no interest in owning anything else from that company... ever again. What caused you to make that statement? |
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Posted: 5/25/2016 8:53:24 AM EDT
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Rugged and SiCo. Obsidian and Omega 9K.
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Posted: 5/25/2016 9:52:18 AM EDT
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However, the satisfaction stops there and I have no interest in owning anything else from that company... ever again. What caused you to make that statement? Recent purse swinging about the difficulty of changing from full size to K config and then GA charging a $160 upgrade |
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Posted: 5/25/2016 1:18:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What caused you to make that statement? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: However, the satisfaction stops there and I have no interest in owning anything else from that company... ever again. What caused you to make that statement? Further support for my dissatisfaction and decision to never buy another item from Griffin is evident over and over in the Obsidan thread, of which I'm on page 7 of 14..... read line for line. It's actually quite the turn off in general, in regards to all of these companies. |
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Posted: 5/25/2016 1:19:12 PM EDT
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What about the Gemtech GM9 ? I've ruled out the Omega 9k.
I initially pursued a modular design so I could have the short configuration for bedside, and long configuration for all other shooting. So, I've got the short bedside config. covered. Going with something like a Gemtech GM 9 would be cost effective and would fit the bill of range/outdoor use. |
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Posted: 5/25/2016 1:36:12 PM EDT
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However, the satisfaction stops there and I have no interest in owning anything else from that company... ever again. What caused you to make that statement? I think he refers about this one: www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_20/462697_Griffin_Armament_Revolution_9_Question.html |
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Posted: 5/25/2016 2:29:46 PM EDT
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There is a thread not too far down the line that should explain the details. I'm not alone in the feelings that were expressed, and, if you call around and chat to various shops (like I did this morning) they aren't shy in saying the same things that were expressed in my thread. Further support for my dissatisfaction and decision to never buy another item from Griffin is evident over and over in the Obsidan thread, of which I'm on page 7 of 14..... read line for line. It's actually quite the turn off in general, in regards to all of these companies. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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However, the satisfaction stops there and I have no interest in owning anything else from that company... ever again. What caused you to make that statement? Further support for my dissatisfaction and decision to never buy another item from Griffin is evident over and over in the Obsidan thread, of which I'm on page 7 of 14..... read line for line. It's actually quite the turn off in general, in regards to all of these companies. In the hayday of AAC when customers were tatooing their logo on their body, there were hundreds of dealers that wouldn't do business with AAC. Mostly because they would order product and up to 13 months would go by without delivery. AAC was in demand, and it wasn't uncommon for them to say something was in stock to get an order in the door, and for that verbal commitment to have no apparent correlation with reality. Here you are expressing something that just isn't true- this notion that some sweeping number of dealers have reason not to do business with Griffin Armament. That is defamatory and not really welcome on the forum. Your personal opinions are what they are, but they should end there. To extend your opinion to a facetious and libelous statement is, in my opinion as a long time Ar15.com member, the point at which you are out of bounds as a forum participant. Our policy is clear- like other companies in the industry we change and upgrade products to remain relevant and competitive in a market that changes around us. When changes occur, customers can decide to contact us for information surrounding the purchase of upgrades, or may decide to purchase a newer product, but it is not our responsibility to replace existing product for lack of features, upgrades or changes made to that line at a later time. That isn't a diversion from other company policies even within our industry. AAC for example produced a series of M4-2000 silencers for over 10 years and probably changed it half a dozen or more times. Many changes were not advertised and the mod-07 change was a total overhaul of the suppressor. It didn't result in free product replacement for previous customers. |
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Posted: 5/25/2016 2:32:28 PM EDT
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Quoted: Ready to buy two 9mm cans for both 9mm and 300 BO sub-sonic use. I already own a Griffin Armament Revolution 9, and the sound levels are acceptable even in the short configuration. However, the satisfaction stops there and I have no interest in owning anything else from that company... ever again. I'd like a company who has a history of good customer service. I'd like a suppressor that isn't too heavy or tall blocking the sights. An interchangeable configuration (short and long) is preferred. What are the top contenders? |
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Posted: 5/25/2016 2:39:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In the hayday of AAC when customers were tatooing their logo on their body, there were hundreds of dealers that wouldn't do business with AAC. Mostly because they would order product and up to 13 months would go by without delivery. AAC was in demand, and it wasn't uncommon for them to say something was in stock to get an order in the door, and for that verbal commitment to have no apparent correlation with reality. Here you are expressing something that just isn't true- this notion that some sweeping number of dealers have reason not to do business with Griffin Armament. That is defamatory and not really welcome on the forum. Your personal opinions are what they are, but they should end there. To extend your opinion to a facetious and libelous statement is, in my opinion as a long time Ar15.com member, the point at which you are out of bounds as a forum participant. Our policy is clear- like other companies in the industry we change and upgrade products to remain relevant and competitive in a market that changes around us. When changes occur, customers can decide to contact us for information surrounding the purchase of upgrades, or may decide to purchase a newer product, but it is not our responsibility to replace existing product for lack of features, upgrades or changes made to that line at a later time. That isn't a diversion from other company policies even within our industry. AAC for example produced a series of M4-2000 silencers for over 10 years and probably changed it half a dozen or more times. Many changes were not advertised and the mod-07 change was a total overhaul of the suppressor. It didn't result in free product replacement for previous customers. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: However, the satisfaction stops there and I have no interest in owning anything else from that company... ever again. What caused you to make that statement? Further support for my dissatisfaction and decision to never buy another item from Griffin is evident over and over in the Obsidan thread, of which I'm on page 7 of 14..... read line for line. It's actually quite the turn off in general, in regards to all of these companies. In the hayday of AAC when customers were tatooing their logo on their body, there were hundreds of dealers that wouldn't do business with AAC. Mostly because they would order product and up to 13 months would go by without delivery. AAC was in demand, and it wasn't uncommon for them to say something was in stock to get an order in the door, and for that verbal commitment to have no apparent correlation with reality. Here you are expressing something that just isn't true- this notion that some sweeping number of dealers have reason not to do business with Griffin Armament. That is defamatory and not really welcome on the forum. Your personal opinions are what they are, but they should end there. To extend your opinion to a facetious and libelous statement is, in my opinion as a long time Ar15.com member, the point at which you are out of bounds as a forum participant. Our policy is clear- like other companies in the industry we change and upgrade products to remain relevant and competitive in a market that changes around us. When changes occur, customers can decide to contact us for information surrounding the purchase of upgrades, or may decide to purchase a newer product, but it is not our responsibility to replace existing product for lack of features, upgrades or changes made to that line at a later time. That isn't a diversion from other company policies even within our industry. AAC for example produced a series of M4-2000 silencers for over 10 years and probably changed it half a dozen or more times. Many changes were not advertised and the mod-07 change was a total overhaul of the suppressor. It didn't result in free product replacement for previous customers. |
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Posted: 5/25/2016 2:42:24 PM EDT
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Does anyone have any input on the Gemtech GM-9?
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Posted: 5/25/2016 2:51:10 PM EDT
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Say what you want GA. I stand by my statements. They are true, and they are accurate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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However, the satisfaction stops there and I have no interest in owning anything else from that company... ever again. What caused you to make that statement? Further support for my dissatisfaction and decision to never buy another item from Griffin is evident over and over in the Obsidan thread, of which I'm on page 7 of 14..... read line for line. It's actually quite the turn off in general, in regards to all of these companies. In the hayday of AAC when customers were tatooing their logo on their body, there were hundreds of dealers that wouldn't do business with AAC. Mostly because they would order product and up to 13 months would go by without delivery. AAC was in demand, and it wasn't uncommon for them to say something was in stock to get an order in the door, and for that verbal commitment to have no apparent correlation with reality. Here you are expressing something that just isn't true- this notion that some sweeping number of dealers have reason not to do business with Griffin Armament. That is defamatory and not really welcome on the forum. Your personal opinions are what they are, but they should end there. To extend your opinion to a facetious and libelous statement is, in my opinion as a long time Ar15.com member, the point at which you are out of bounds as a forum participant. Our policy is clear- like other companies in the industry we change and upgrade products to remain relevant and competitive in a market that changes around us. When changes occur, customers can decide to contact us for information surrounding the purchase of upgrades, or may decide to purchase a newer product, but it is not our responsibility to replace existing product for lack of features, upgrades or changes made to that line at a later time. That isn't a diversion from other company policies even within our industry. AAC for example produced a series of M4-2000 silencers for over 10 years and probably changed it half a dozen or more times. Many changes were not advertised and the mod-07 change was a total overhaul of the suppressor. It didn't result in free product replacement for previous customers. Where your statement leaves your personal opinion and becomes a statement of generality, it is not true. We picked up our 5th silencer distributor this week. Distributors have no reason to do business with companies that dealers don't desire to purchase. You may have made leading statements or talked to a local dealer that doesn't carry our products who decided for whatever reason to agree with you, or to put his words behind a product on his shelf, but that doesn't imply what you were trying to correlate. |
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Posted: 5/25/2016 2:58:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWhere your statement leaves your personal opinion and becomes a statement of generality, it is not true. We picked up our 5th silencer distributor this week. Distributors have no reason to do business with companies that dealers don't desire to purchase. You may have made leading statements or talked to a local dealer that doesn't carry our products who decided for whatever reason to agree with you, or to put his words behind a product on his shelf, but that doesn't imply what you were trying to correlate. Quote HistoryIn the hayday of AAC when customers were tatooing their logo on their body, there were hundreds of dealers that wouldn't do business with AAC. Mostly because they would order product and up to 13 months would go by without delivery. AAC was in demand, and it wasn't uncommon for them to say something was in stock to get an order in the door, and for that verbal commitment to have no apparent correlation with reality. Here you are expressing something that just isn't true- this notion that some sweeping number of dealers have reason not to do business with Griffin Armament. That is defamatory and not really welcome on the forum. Your personal opinions are what they are, but they should end there. To extend your opinion to a facetious and libelous statement is, in my opinion as a long time Ar15.com member, the point at which you are out of bounds as a forum participant. Our policy is clear- like other companies in the industry we change and upgrade products to remain relevant and competitive in a market that changes around us. When changes occur, customers can decide to contact us for information surrounding the purchase of upgrades, or may decide to purchase a newer product, but it is not our responsibility to replace existing product for lack of features, upgrades or changes made to that line at a later time. That isn't a diversion from other company policies even within our industry. AAC for example produced a series of M4-2000 silencers for over 10 years and probably changed it half a dozen or more times. Many changes were not advertised and the mod-07 change was a total overhaul of the suppressor. It didn't result in free product replacement for previous customers. Where your statement leaves your personal opinion and becomes a statement of generality, it is not true. We picked up our 5th silencer distributor this week. Distributors have no reason to do business with companies that dealers don't desire to purchase. You may have made leading statements or talked to a local dealer that doesn't carry our products who decided for whatever reason to agree with you, or to put his words behind a product on his shelf, but that doesn't imply what you were trying to correlate. |
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Posted: 5/25/2016 3:30:50 PM EDT
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In the hayday of AAC when customers were tatooing their logo on their body, there were hundreds of dealers that wouldn't do business with AAC. Mostly because they would order product and up to 13 months would go by without delivery. AAC was in demand, and it wasn't uncommon for them to say something was in stock to get an order in the door, and for that verbal commitment to have no apparent correlation with reality. Here you are expressing something that just isn't true- this notion that some sweeping number of dealers have reason not to do business with Griffin Armament. That is defamatory and not really welcome on the forum. Your personal opinions are what they are, but they should end there. To extend your opinion to a facetious and libelous statement is, in my opinion as a long time Ar15.com member, the point at which you are out of bounds as a forum participant. Our policy is clear- like other companies in the industry we change and upgrade products to remain relevant and competitive in a market that changes around us. When changes occur, customers can decide to contact us for information surrounding the purchase of upgrades, or may decide to purchase a newer product, but it is not our responsibility to replace existing product for lack of features, upgrades or changes made to that line at a later time. That isn't a diversion from other company policies even within our industry. AAC for example produced a series of M4-2000 silencers for over 10 years and probably changed it half a dozen or more times. Many changes were not advertised and the mod-07 change was a total overhaul of the suppressor. It didn't result in free product replacement for previous customers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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However, the satisfaction stops there and I have no interest in owning anything else from that company... ever again. What caused you to make that statement? Further support for my dissatisfaction and decision to never buy another item from Griffin is evident over and over in the Obsidan thread, of which I'm on page 7 of 14..... read line for line. It's actually quite the turn off in general, in regards to all of these companies. In the hayday of AAC when customers were tatooing their logo on their body, there were hundreds of dealers that wouldn't do business with AAC. Mostly because they would order product and up to 13 months would go by without delivery. AAC was in demand, and it wasn't uncommon for them to say something was in stock to get an order in the door, and for that verbal commitment to have no apparent correlation with reality. Here you are expressing something that just isn't true- this notion that some sweeping number of dealers have reason not to do business with Griffin Armament. That is defamatory and not really welcome on the forum. Your personal opinions are what they are, but they should end there. To extend your opinion to a facetious and libelous statement is, in my opinion as a long time Ar15.com member, the point at which you are out of bounds as a forum participant. Our policy is clear- like other companies in the industry we change and upgrade products to remain relevant and competitive in a market that changes around us. When changes occur, customers can decide to contact us for information surrounding the purchase of upgrades, or may decide to purchase a newer product, but it is not our responsibility to replace existing product for lack of features, upgrades or changes made to that line at a later time. That isn't a diversion from other company policies even within our industry. AAC for example produced a series of M4-2000 silencers for over 10 years and probably changed it half a dozen or more times. Many changes were not advertised and the mod-07 change was a total overhaul of the suppressor. It didn't result in free product replacement for previous customers. Customer service of AAC 10-15 yrs ago was uber sucked and their attitude was the worst. Silvers boasted AAC had the best products so there was need for CS, literately...Oh, Pleaseeeee  ..Kinda like saying M16 in Vietnam era was so good, there was no need for cleaning when M16 was first intro in Vietnam.
Heck...I didn't even buy any AAC products to this day. When I'm ready to buy a can and look online at either Silencershop or Capitol Armory, I skip all AAC products. As far as, Revolution 9? You guys know where I stand. |
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Posted: 5/25/2016 7:08:49 PM EDT
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In the hayday of AAC when customers were tatooing their logo on their body, there were hundreds of dealers that wouldn't do business with AAC. Mostly because they would order product and up to 13 months would go by without delivery. AAC was in demand, and it wasn't uncommon for them to say something was in stock to get an order in the door, and for that verbal commitment to have no apparent correlation with reality. Here you are expressing something that just isn't true- this notion that some sweeping number of dealers have reason not to do business with Griffin Armament. That is defamatory and not really welcome on the forum. Your personal opinions are what they are, but they should end there. To extend your opinion to a facetious and libelous statement is, in my opinion as a long time Ar15.com member, the point at which you are out of bounds as a forum participant. Our policy is clear- like other companies in the industry we change and upgrade products to remain relevant and competitive in a market that changes around us. When changes occur, customers can decide to contact us for information surrounding the purchase of upgrades, or may decide to purchase a newer product, but it is not our responsibility to replace existing product for lack of features, upgrades or changes made to that line at a later time. That isn't a diversion from other company policies even within our industry. AAC for example produced a series of M4-2000 silencers for over 10 years and probably changed it half a dozen or more times. Many changes were not advertised and the mod-07 change was a total overhaul of the suppressor. It didn't result in free product replacement for previous customers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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However, the satisfaction stops there and I have no interest in owning anything else from that company... ever again. What caused you to make that statement? Further support for my dissatisfaction and decision to never buy another item from Griffin is evident over and over in the Obsidan thread, of which I'm on page 7 of 14..... read line for line. It's actually quite the turn off in general, in regards to all of these companies. In the hayday of AAC when customers were tatooing their logo on their body, there were hundreds of dealers that wouldn't do business with AAC. Mostly because they would order product and up to 13 months would go by without delivery. AAC was in demand, and it wasn't uncommon for them to say something was in stock to get an order in the door, and for that verbal commitment to have no apparent correlation with reality. Here you are expressing something that just isn't true- this notion that some sweeping number of dealers have reason not to do business with Griffin Armament. That is defamatory and not really welcome on the forum. Your personal opinions are what they are, but they should end there. To extend your opinion to a facetious and libelous statement is, in my opinion as a long time Ar15.com member, the point at which you are out of bounds as a forum participant. Our policy is clear- like other companies in the industry we change and upgrade products to remain relevant and competitive in a market that changes around us. When changes occur, customers can decide to contact us for information surrounding the purchase of upgrades, or may decide to purchase a newer product, but it is not our responsibility to replace existing product for lack of features, upgrades or changes made to that line at a later time. That isn't a diversion from other company policies even within our industry. AAC for example produced a series of M4-2000 silencers for over 10 years and probably changed it half a dozen or more times. Many changes were not advertised and the mod-07 change was a total overhaul of the suppressor. It didn't result in free product replacement for previous customers. Want to be a stand up guy, you need to stand on your own 2 feet. Why mention AAC? What do they have to do with people unhappy about your products? 
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Posted: 5/25/2016 10:15:34 PM EDT
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OP, feel free to start a new thread, this one is done
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Posted: 5/25/2016 10:15:47 PM EDT
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dpmmn
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